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Date: 23 Dec 2008 23:11:02
From: John Jetson
Subject: How do I get out of this hand?
What should I have done

Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/12/23 7:05:23 ET
Table '128943162 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Pipecreek11 (3505 in chips)
Seat 2: J_Bowy (2495 in chips)
Seat 3: Jurrienz (5115 in chips)
Seat 4: Bulldog John (3145 in chips)
Seat 5: Schnacker111 (1735 in chips)
Seat 6: Suffmeier (10405 in chips)
Seat 8: felghen (6045 in chips)
Seat 9: RyO sempai (8205 in chips)
Pipecreek11: posts the ante 25
J_Bowy: posts the ante 25
Jurrienz: posts the ante 25
Bulldog John: posts the ante 25
Schnacker111: posts the ante 25
Suffmeier: posts the ante 25
felghen: posts the ante 25
RyO sempai: posts the ante 25
RyO sempai: posts small blind 200
Pipecreek11: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Bulldog John [Kd Kc]
J_Bowy: folds
Jurrienz: folds
Bulldog John: raises 800 to 1200
Schnacker111: folds
Suffmeier: folds
felghen: folds
RyO sempai: raises 6980 to 8180 and is all-in
Pipecreek11: folds
Bulldog John: calls 1920 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (5060) returned to RyO sempai
*** FLOP *** [Th 9c 9s]
*** TURN *** [Th 9c 9s] [Ad]
*** RIVER *** [Th 9c 9s Ad] [Tc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
RyO sempai: shows [Qh Ac] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
Bulldog John: shows [Kd Kc] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
RyO sempai collected 6840 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 6840




 
Date: 23 Dec 2008 11:07:42
From: johnny_t
Subject: Re: How do I get out of this hand?
Why do you want out of the hand?

You should be in the hand. You are short stacked. And there is a high
probability that you are the substantial heads up favorite when all the
money gets in.

And you are.

Results are WAY secondary, especially with these circumstances.


A longer answer is that you shouldn't be in this circumstance in the
first place and you have to ask why you don't have more chips.

But in the absence of any other information, beats happen. You get
them, and you give them.

In many major tournaments MANY if not most of the people who go out of
the tournament had good and often the best hands preflop, and just got
unlucky going out.


 
Date: 23 Dec 2008 09:13:15
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: How do I get out of this hand?
On Dec 23 2008 7:11 AM, John Jetson wrote:

> What should I have done

In honour of Irish Mike's observation about RGP:

GTFOH!!!

Fell
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Date: 23 Dec 2008 15:18:16
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: How do I get out of this hand?

"John Jetson" <j.jetson@optusnet.com.au > wrote in message
news:4950d544$0$19326$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
> What should I have done
Pretty much what you did.
Only better option may be raise bigger first, so shithead doesn't think
maybe he can push you off the pot.

>
> Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/12/23 7:05:23 ET
> Table '128943162 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
> Seat 1: Pipecreek11 (3505 in chips)
> Seat 2: J_Bowy (2495 in chips)
> Seat 3: Jurrienz (5115 in chips)
> Seat 4: Bulldog John (3145 in chips)
> Seat 5: Schnacker111 (1735 in chips)
> Seat 6: Suffmeier (10405 in chips)
> Seat 8: felghen (6045 in chips)
> Seat 9: RyO sempai (8205 in chips)
> Pipecreek11: posts the ante 25
> J_Bowy: posts the ante 25
> Jurrienz: posts the ante 25
> Bulldog John: posts the ante 25
> Schnacker111: posts the ante 25
> Suffmeier: posts the ante 25
> felghen: posts the ante 25
> RyO sempai: posts the ante 25
> RyO sempai: posts small blind 200
> Pipecreek11: posts big blind 400
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to Bulldog John [Kd Kc]
> J_Bowy: folds
> Jurrienz: folds
> Bulldog John: raises 800 to 1200
> Schnacker111: folds
> Suffmeier: folds
> felghen: folds
> RyO sempai: raises 6980 to 8180 and is all-in
> Pipecreek11: folds
> Bulldog John: calls 1920 and is all-in
> Uncalled bet (5060) returned to RyO sempai
> *** FLOP *** [Th 9c 9s]
> *** TURN *** [Th 9c 9s] [Ad]
> *** RIVER *** [Th 9c 9s Ad] [Tc]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> RyO sempai: shows [Qh Ac] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
> Bulldog John: shows [Kd Kc] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
> RyO sempai collected 6840 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 6840


 
Date: 23 Dec 2008 06:58:26
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: How do I get out of this hand?
On Dec 23 2008 6:11 AM, John Jetson wrote:

> What should I have done
>
> Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/12/23 7:05:23 ET
> Table '128943162 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
> Seat 1: Pipecreek11 (3505 in chips)
> Seat 2: J_Bowy (2495 in chips)
> Seat 3: Jurrienz (5115 in chips)
> Seat 4: Bulldog John (3145 in chips)
> Seat 5: Schnacker111 (1735 in chips)
> Seat 6: Suffmeier (10405 in chips)
> Seat 8: felghen (6045 in chips)
> Seat 9: RyO sempai (8205 in chips)
> Pipecreek11: posts the ante 25
> J_Bowy: posts the ante 25
> Jurrienz: posts the ante 25
> Bulldog John: posts the ante 25
> Schnacker111: posts the ante 25
> Suffmeier: posts the ante 25
> felghen: posts the ante 25
> RyO sempai: posts the ante 25
> RyO sempai: posts small blind 200
> Pipecreek11: posts big blind 400
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to Bulldog John [Kd Kc]
> J_Bowy: folds
> Jurrienz: folds
> Bulldog John: raises 800 to 1200

Just shove here with less than 10BB in chips. But if you're looking to
find a way to fold this based on the results of the hand, you should pick
up some poker books and do some reading about decision making.

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Date: 23 Dec 2008 05:25:35
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: How do I get out of this hand?
On Dec 23 2008 7:11 AM, John Jetson wrote:

> What should I have done
>
> Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/12/23 7:05:23 ET
> Table '128943162 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
> Seat 1: Pipecreek11 (3505 in chips)
> Seat 2: J_Bowy (2495 in chips)
> Seat 3: Jurrienz (5115 in chips)
> Seat 4: Bulldog John (3145 in chips)
> Seat 5: Schnacker111 (1735 in chips)
> Seat 6: Suffmeier (10405 in chips)
> Seat 8: felghen (6045 in chips)
> Seat 9: RyO sempai (8205 in chips)
> Pipecreek11: posts the ante 25
> J_Bowy: posts the ante 25
> Jurrienz: posts the ante 25
> Bulldog John: posts the ante 25
> Schnacker111: posts the ante 25
> Suffmeier: posts the ante 25
> felghen: posts the ante 25
> RyO sempai: posts the ante 25
> RyO sempai: posts small blind 200
> Pipecreek11: posts big blind 400
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to Bulldog John [Kd Kc]
> J_Bowy: folds
> Jurrienz: folds
> Bulldog John: raises 800 to 1200
> Schnacker111: folds
> Suffmeier: folds
> felghen: folds
> RyO sempai: raises 6980 to 8180 and is all-in
> Pipecreek11: folds
> Bulldog John: calls 1920 and is all-in
> Uncalled bet (5060) returned to RyO sempai
> *** FLOP *** [Th 9c 9s]
> *** TURN *** [Th 9c 9s] [Ad]
> *** RIVER *** [Th 9c 9s Ad] [Tc]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> RyO sempai: shows [Qh Ac] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
> Bulldog John: shows [Kd Kc] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
> RyO sempai collected 6840 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 6840


  
Date: 24 Dec 2008 01:28:52
From: John Jetson
Subject: Re: How do I get out of this hand?
the question was more about how hand was played (eg bet, check, raise and
miminise the damage) rather than if I should have played it?


"charrison100" <a11faea@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:ff5726xsuh.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 23 2008 7:11 AM, John Jetson wrote:
>
>> What should I have done
>>
>> Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/12/23 7:05:23 ET
>> Table '128943162 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
>> Seat 1: Pipecreek11 (3505 in chips)
>> Seat 2: J_Bowy (2495 in chips)
>> Seat 3: Jurrienz (5115 in chips)
>> Seat 4: Bulldog John (3145 in chips)
>> Seat 5: Schnacker111 (1735 in chips)
>> Seat 6: Suffmeier (10405 in chips)
>> Seat 8: felghen (6045 in chips)
>> Seat 9: RyO sempai (8205 in chips)
>> Pipecreek11: posts the ante 25
>> J_Bowy: posts the ante 25
>> Jurrienz: posts the ante 25
>> Bulldog John: posts the ante 25
>> Schnacker111: posts the ante 25
>> Suffmeier: posts the ante 25
>> felghen: posts the ante 25
>> RyO sempai: posts the ante 25
>> RyO sempai: posts small blind 200
>> Pipecreek11: posts big blind 400
>> *** HOLE CARDS ***
>> Dealt to Bulldog John [Kd Kc]
>> J_Bowy: folds
>> Jurrienz: folds
>> Bulldog John: raises 800 to 1200
>> Schnacker111: folds
>> Suffmeier: folds
>> felghen: folds
>> RyO sempai: raises 6980 to 8180 and is all-in
>> Pipecreek11: folds
>> Bulldog John: calls 1920 and is all-in
>> Uncalled bet (5060) returned to RyO sempai
>> *** FLOP *** [Th 9c 9s]
>> *** TURN *** [Th 9c 9s] [Ad]
>> *** RIVER *** [Th 9c 9s Ad] [Tc]
>> *** SHOW DOWN ***
>> RyO sempai: shows [Qh Ac] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
>> Bulldog John: shows [Kd Kc] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
>> RyO sempai collected 6840 from pot
>> *** SUMMARY ***
>> Total pot 6840


   
Date: 23 Dec 2008 07:20:36
From: I eat donks
Subject: Re: How do I get out of this hand?
On Dec 23 2008 2:28 PM, John Jetson wrote:

> the question was more about how hand was played (eg bet, check, raise and
> miminise the damage) rather than if I should have played it?
>
>

Give up poker if you had any thoughts of damage limitation with KK and
less than 10 BBs. You should be thinking how to get all you chips into
the middle whilst picking up some action. You had the prefect result.
You lost a 30/70 race. Get over it and move along.

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Date: 23 Dec 2008 07:17:06
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: How do I get out of this hand?
On Dec 23 2008 9:28 AM, John Jetson wrote:

> the question was more about how hand was played (eg bet, check, raise and
> miminise the damage) rather than if I should have played it?
>

You raised 4 times the BB, the big stack went all in. You have KK it's the
dream situation. Unless you are 100% that he has AA you should be calling
faster the Hellmuth.

To question that play is wrong you played it right and took a beat. It
happens.
Chris

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Date: 23 Dec 2008 04:50:00
From: Ben
Subject: Re: How do I get out of this hand?
On Dec 23, 7:11=A0am, "John Jetson" <j.jet...@optusnet.com.au > wrote:
> What should I have done
>
> Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2008/12/23 7:05:23 ET
> Table '128943162 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
> Seat 1: Pipecreek11 (3505 in chips)
> Seat 2: J_Bowy (2495 in chips)
> Seat 3: Jurrienz (5115 in chips)
> Seat 4: Bulldog John (3145 in chips)
> Seat 5: Schnacker111 (1735 in chips)
> Seat 6: Suffmeier (10405 in chips)
> Seat 8: felghen (6045 in chips)
> Seat 9: RyO sempai (8205 in chips)
> Pipecreek11: posts the ante 25
> J_Bowy: posts the ante 25
> Jurrienz: posts the ante 25
> Bulldog John: posts the ante 25
> Schnacker111: posts the ante 25
> Suffmeier: posts the ante 25
> felghen: posts the ante 25
> RyO sempai: posts the ante 25
> RyO sempai: posts small blind 200
> Pipecreek11: posts big blind 400
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to Bulldog John [Kd Kc]
> J_Bowy: folds
> Jurrienz: folds
> Bulldog John: raises 800 to 1200
> Schnacker111: folds
> Suffmeier: folds
> felghen: folds
> RyO sempai: raises 6980 to 8180 and is all-in
> Pipecreek11: folds
> Bulldog John: calls 1920 and is all-in
> Uncalled bet (5060) returned to RyO sempai
> *** FLOP *** [Th 9c 9s]
> *** TURN *** [Th 9c 9s] [Ad]
> *** RIVER *** [Th 9c 9s Ad] [Tc]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> RyO sempai: shows [Qh Ac] (two pair, Aces and Tens)
> Bulldog John: shows [Kd Kc] (two pair, Kings and Tens)
> RyO sempai collected 6840 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot 6840