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Date: 28 Dec 2008 01:37:47
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: How God works
Ask God for the kind of help you know he will provide.

Here is an example of how God works.

10 guys, 10 horses

All ten want to win and pray accordingly.

God does not usually interfere in this instance because he would be
ruining someones dream.

so where is the profit with God ? (( hehe multilevel hidden reference to
prophet ))

Ok, this is where JESUS helps routinely although God will deliver the lock
of the century on rare occasions.

Jesus will help you pick the right horse BEFORE the race.

All the bettors are prayin like crazy as they hustle into the stretch.
TOOO LATE

PRAYER that involves you being a better you involves participation.

See, when God helps you before the race it's like insurance. Everyone else
who picks the same horse wins a teeny bit less because they share the pool
with you. God is not greatly impacting the others.

If you want God to make your horse win in the stretch you are asking him
to impact others greatly. God does not like this. Ask for help making
decisions.

Lets pretend you married a woman from another country only to realize you
were set up on numerous levels. I could ask God to hit them all with
meteors. You could ask that they all die immediately in all sorts of ways
that would please you.

The problem is that these people unfortunately have other purposes. What I
would do is hope that they learn. Learning just what one has done wrong is
a whole lot more intense than most are willing to accept. If someone sins
against you they will pay. Pray that God will teach them NOW.

Thank God and my Dad that most of my sins were correctable for a fee.

Just pray for help understanding things. The more that you understand God,
the more he can give you.


Atheism is drawing dead

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Date: 30 Dec 2008 00:02:30
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: How God works
On Dec 28, 1:37=A0am, "La Cosa Nostradamus"


> Lets pretend you married a woman from another country only to realize you
> were set up on numerous levels.



Only in your case, Skillz, it's not pretend.




  
Date: 30 Dec 2008 01:45:20
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: How God works
On Dec 30 2008 3:02 AM, OrangeSFO wrote:

> On Dec 28, 1:37 am, "La Cosa Nostradamus"
>
>
> > Lets pretend you married a woman from another country only to realize you
> > were set up on numerous levels.
>
>
>
> Only in your case, Skillz, it's not pretend.


Correct

i asked God to help me accept it and on my birthday he delivered what i
needed.


Atheism is drawing dead

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Date: 29 Dec 2008 00:09:42
From: Howard Beale
Subject: Re: How God works
Every time I think that I'm screwy along comes somebody on a higher level
altogether. It's a help.



Howard Beale

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 22:39:01
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: How God works
You're in an elite group, being able to talk to GOD.




On Dec 28, 1:37=EF=BF=BDam, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invali=
d >
wrote:
> Ask God for the kind of help you know he will provide.
>
> Here is an example of how God works.
>
> 10 guys, 10 horses
>
> All ten want to win and pray accordingly.
>
> God does not usually interfere in this instance because he would be
> ruining someones dream.
>
> so where is the profit with God ? =EF=BF=BD(( hehe multilevel hidden refe=
rence to
> prophet ))
>
> Ok, this is where JESUS helps routinely although God will deliver the loc=
k
> of the century =EF=BF=BDon rare occasions.
>
> Jesus will help you pick the right horse BEFORE the race.
>
> All the bettors are prayin like crazy as they hustle into the stretch. =
=EF=BF=BD
> TOOO LATE
>
> PRAYER that involves you being a better you involves participation.
>
> See, when God helps you before the race it's like insurance. Everyone els=
e
> who picks the same horse wins a teeny bit less because they share the poo=
l
> with you. God is not greatly impacting the others.
>
> If you want God to make your horse win in the stretch you are asking him
> to impact others greatly. God does not like this. Ask for help making
> decisions.
>
> Lets pretend you married a woman from another country only to realize you
> were set up on numerous levels. I could ask God to hit them all with
> meteors. You could ask that they all die immediately in all sorts of ways
> that would please you.
>
> The problem is that these people unfortunately have other purposes. What =
I
> would do is hope that they learn. Learning just what one has done wrong i=
s
> a whole lot more intense than most are willing to accept. If someone sins
> against you they will pay. Pray that God will teach them NOW.
>
> Thank God and my Dad that most of my sins were correctable for a fee.
>
> Just pray for help understanding things. The more that you understand God=
,
> the more he can give you.
>
> Atheism is drawing dead
>
> ________________________________________________________________________=
=EF=BF=BD
> : the next generation of web-newsreaders :http://www.recgroups.com



  
Date: 30 Dec 2008 09:01:26
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: How God works
On Dec 30, 7:43=A0am, "pokertank.us" <h...@pokertank.us > wrote:

<snip old stuff >
>
> I wasn't trying to disprove evolution. =A0Simply, that it takes faith to
> believe any of my examples and millions of even better ones evolved on
> their own, without an intelligent creator involved.

I disagree. Do you think that it takes faith to believe that gravity
works every single time without an intelligent being telling
everything when to fall?
>
> I agree that evolution does exist, and was designed by a creator to
> help the creation adapt to its changing enviroment. =A0I also believe in
> a "big bang" as used by a creator to get the ball rolling so to
> speak. =A0 This of course, is a far cry from the universe falling into
> place accidently, without some sort of intelligent creator at the helm.

This is a reasonable argument (though speculative). However, given
that we live in this universe with these natural laws, evolution is
not at all a miraculous process. Perhaps there are countless other
universes with slightly different natural laws that do not contain
life.
>
> I believe you will find Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking both
> believe in this idea, to one degree or another. =A0I wouldn't count
> either of these men as ignorant or dellusional, would you?...

Einstein certainly did not believe in God as described by any of the
major religions. I don't know about Hawking, and I don't really know
exactly what you're claiming he and Einstein said. There's a big
difference between speculating about a possible deity and actually
being confident that such a deity exists.
>
> - Hank
>
> ---
>
> www.pokertank.us-Pokernews, education, and resources.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



  
Date: 30 Dec 2008 07:43:03
From: pokertank.us
Subject: Re: How God works
On Dec 30, 9:26=A0am, "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com > wrote:
> On Dec 30, 7:03=A0am, "pokertank.us" <h...@pokertank.us> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 29, 1:42=A0am, "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > "MZB" <m...@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>
> > > > either way-- delushional
>
> > > Um, no. =A0Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who =
believe
> > > NO GOD EXISTS.
>
> > > Talking to GOD, whatever you percieve him to be -- hairy thunderer or=
cosmic
> > > muffin, is harmless and cathartic. =A0More people should do it, IMO.
>
> > > Fewer people should believe that GOD is engaging them in conversation=
.
>
> > > Jim
>
> > > > MB
> > > > "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:BaKdnR62C_Jr7cXUnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> > > >> <RussGeorg...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > >>news:4f74903f-8115-44bc-865f-7b602961ecd9@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.=
com...
>
> > > >>> You're in an elite group, being able to talk to GOD.
>
> > > >> Hardly.
>
> > > >> The elite are the ones who hear GOD talking back.
>
> > > >> Jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I have to agree with Clave to some degree. =A0I believe it takes a
> > GREATER leap of faith to believe the complex human being, and the
> > environment that supports this fragile human life just evolved from
> > amebas or lucosites floating around in the ocean.
>
> Either faith or a proper understanding of how evolution works.
>
>
>
> > Really?.... =A0The butterfly evolved perfectly to morf from a
> > catapillar? =A0 The dolphin just miraculously evolved sonar to find foo=
d
> > hundreds of miles away? =A0 The desert frog evolved perfectly to
> > hibernate for months or years while locked in a dried clump of dirt
> > until it rains again?
>
> Yes, and the mosquito evolved to drink blood efficiently as well. =A0Do
> you really believe that the millions of scientists who support the
> theory of evolution are just waiting for somebody to point out the
> butterfly as a counter-example to realize that their life's work has
> been a mirage?
>
> > =A0Let's not get started about how the universe is
> > expanding perfectly so as to not implode upon itself, or the dwarf
> > star we call our sun is the perfect temperature, with the earth
> > positioned a perfect distance from it to sustain such fragile life.
>
> Let's not, since those things have nothing to do with evolution.
>
>
> > Now that being said, please don't mistake my belief in a creator as an
> > endorsement of the myriad religions being sold to the ignorant masses
> > today. =A0Men have used the ignorant and uneducated people's belief in =
a
> > God to enrich themselves and gain unchecked power since the beginning
> > of time. =A0So, in a nutshell, yes, atheism is as much a leap of faith
> > as theism, but it's just as much a leap of faith (or ignorance) to
> > believe any of the religions on earth today serve God or teach his
> > plan for humankind. =A0 My humble opinion, of course...
>
> Regardless of whether atheism takes a leap of faith, evolution does
> not. =A0All that is required to believe in evolution is sufficient
> familiarity with the facts. =A0By the way, most Christians worldwide
> accept evolution as the best explanation for the observed evidence.
>
> - Bob T.
>
>
>
>
>
> > - Hank
>
> > ---www.pokertank.us-Poker news, education, and resources.- Hide quoted =
text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I wasn't trying to disprove evolution. Simply, that it takes faith to
believe any of my examples and millions of even better ones evolved on
their own, without an intelligent creator involved.

I agree that evolution does exist, and was designed by a creator to
help the creation adapt to its changing enviroment. I also believe in
a "big bang" as used by a creator to get the ball rolling so to
speak. This of course, is a far cry from the universe falling into
place accidently, without some sort of intelligent creator at the
helm.

I believe you will find Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking both
believe in this idea, to one degree or another. I wouldn't count
either of these men as ignorant or dellusional, would you?...

- Hank

---

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 01:23:05
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: How God works
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 07:43:03 -0800 (PST), "pokertank.us"
<hank@pokertank.us > wrote:

>I agree that evolution does exist, and was designed by a creator to
>help the creation adapt to its changing enviroment. I also believe in
>a "big bang" as used by a creator to get the ball rolling so to
>speak. This of course, is a far cry from the universe falling into
>place accidently, without some sort of intelligent creator at the
>helm.

So, where did this creator come from?


  
Date: 30 Dec 2008 07:26:12
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: How God works
On Dec 30, 7:03=A0am, "pokertank.us" <h...@pokertank.us > wrote:
> On Dec 29, 1:42=A0am, "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "MZB" <m...@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>
> > > either way-- delushional
>
> > Um, no. =A0Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who be=
lieve
> > NO GOD EXISTS.
>
> > Talking to GOD, whatever you percieve him to be -- hairy thunderer or c=
osmic
> > muffin, is harmless and cathartic. =A0More people should do it, IMO.
>
> > Fewer people should believe that GOD is engaging them in conversation.
>
> > Jim
>
> > > MB
> > > "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> > >news:BaKdnR62C_Jr7cXUnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> > >> <RussGeorg...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > >>news:4f74903f-8115-44bc-865f-7b602961ecd9@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.co=
m...
>
> > >>> You're in an elite group, being able to talk to GOD.
>
> > >> Hardly.
>
> > >> The elite are the ones who hear GOD talking back.
>
> > >> Jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I have to agree with Clave to some degree. =A0I believe it takes a
> GREATER leap of faith to believe the complex human being, and the
> environment that supports this fragile human life just evolved from
> amebas or lucosites floating around in the ocean.

Either faith or a proper understanding of how evolution works.
>
> Really?.... =A0The butterfly evolved perfectly to morf from a
> catapillar? =A0 The dolphin just miraculously evolved sonar to find food
> hundreds of miles away? =A0 The desert frog evolved perfectly to
> hibernate for months or years while locked in a dried clump of dirt
> until it rains again?

Yes, and the mosquito evolved to drink blood efficiently as well. Do
you really believe that the millions of scientists who support the
theory of evolution are just waiting for somebody to point out the
butterfly as a counter-example to realize that their life's work has
been a mirage?

> =A0Let's not get started about how the universe is
> expanding perfectly so as to not implode upon itself, or the dwarf
> star we call our sun is the perfect temperature, with the earth
> positioned a perfect distance from it to sustain such fragile life.

Let's not, since those things have nothing to do with evolution.
>
> Now that being said, please don't mistake my belief in a creator as an
> endorsement of the myriad religions being sold to the ignorant masses
> today. =A0Men have used the ignorant and uneducated people's belief in a
> God to enrich themselves and gain unchecked power since the beginning
> of time. =A0So, in a nutshell, yes, atheism is as much a leap of faith
> as theism, but it's just as much a leap of faith (or ignorance) to
> believe any of the religions on earth today serve God or teach his
> plan for humankind. =A0 My humble opinion, of course...

Regardless of whether atheism takes a leap of faith, evolution does
not. All that is required to believe in evolution is sufficient
familiarity with the facts. By the way, most Christians worldwide
accept evolution as the best explanation for the observed evidence.

- Bob T.

>
> - Hank
>
> ---www.pokertank.us- Poker news, education, and resources.- Hide quoted t=
ext -
>
> - Show quoted text -



  
Date: 30 Dec 2008 07:03:36
From: pokertank.us
Subject: Re: How God works
On Dec 29, 1:42=A0am, "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com >
wrote:
> "MZB" <m...@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>
> news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>
> > either way-- delushional
>
> Um, no. =A0Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who beli=
eve
> NO GOD EXISTS.
>
> Talking to GOD, whatever you percieve him to be -- hairy thunderer or cos=
mic
> muffin, is harmless and cathartic. =A0More people should do it, IMO.
>
> Fewer people should believe that GOD is engaging them in conversation.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> > MB
> > "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> >news:BaKdnR62C_Jr7cXUnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> >> <RussGeorg...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >>news:4f74903f-8115-44bc-865f-7b602961ecd9@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com.=
..
>
> >>> You're in an elite group, being able to talk to GOD.
>
> >> Hardly.
>
> >> The elite are the ones who hear GOD talking back.
>
> >> Jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have to agree with Clave to some degree. I believe it takes a
GREATER leap of faith to believe the complex human being, and the
environment that supports this fragile human life just evolved from
amebas or lucosites floating around in the ocean.

Really?.... The butterfly evolved perfectly to morf from a
catapillar? The dolphin just miraculously evolved sonar to find food
hundreds of miles away? The desert frog evolved perfectly to
hibernate for months or years while locked in a dried clump of dirt
until it rains again? Let's not get started about how the universe is
expanding perfectly so as to not implode upon itself, or the dwarf
star we call our sun is the perfect temperature, with the earth
positioned a perfect distance from it to sustain such fragile life.

Now that being said, please don't mistake my belief in a creator as an
endorsement of the myriad religions being sold to the ignorant masses
today. Men have used the ignorant and uneducated people's belief in a
God to enrich themselves and gain unchecked power since the beginning
of time. So, in a nutshell, yes, atheism is as much a leap of faith
as theism, but it's just as much a leap of faith (or ignorance) to
believe any of the religions on earth today serve God or teach his
plan for humankind. My humble opinion, of course...

- Hank

---
www.pokertank.us - Poker news, education, and resources.


   
Date: 31 Dec 2008 14:36:59
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: How God works

"pokertank.us" <hank@pokertank.us > wrote in message
news:d8f4ac68-9883-4ee0-8bd4-6d853fda73ff@v38g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 29, 1:42 am, "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com >
wrote:
> "MZB" <m...@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>
> news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>
> > either way-- delushional
>
> Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who believe
> NO GOD EXISTS.
>
> Talking to GOD, whatever you percieve him to be -- hairy thunderer or
> cosmic
> muffin, is harmless and cathartic. More people should do it, IMO.
>
> Fewer people should believe that GOD is engaging them in conversation.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> > MB
> > "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> >news:BaKdnR62C_Jr7cXUnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> >> <RussGeorg...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >>news:4f74903f-8115-44bc-865f-7b602961ecd9@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>> You're in an elite group, being able to talk to GOD.
>
> >> Hardly.
>
> >> The elite are the ones who hear GOD talking back.
>
> >> Jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have to agree with Clave to some degree. I believe it takes a
GREATER leap of faith to believe the complex human being, and the
environment that supports this fragile human life just evolved from
amebas or lucosites floating around in the ocean.
***
It takes zero leap of faith.
There is large amounts of evidence in evolution.
Further, there is an incredible amount of simulation showing complexity
arising under catalystic conditions, with it not only being possible but
probable.
Go google the Santa Fe Institute.
***

Really?.... The butterfly evolved perfectly to morf from a
catapillar? The dolphin just miraculously evolved sonar to find food
hundreds of miles away? The desert frog evolved perfectly to
hibernate for months or years while locked in a dried clump of dirt
until it rains again? Let's not get started about how the universe is
expanding perfectly so as to not implode upon itself, or the dwarf
star we call our sun is the perfect temperature, with the earth
positioned a perfect distance from it to sustain such fragile life.
***
You're SUPPOSED to be a poker player.
We're here. If life were extremely improbable, and we're here to talk about
it, then the improbable happened.

NOTHING evolved overnight. Things changed little by little. Skin spots
sensitive to uv radiation evolved eventually into eyes, small adaptions in
some creatures led to adaptions in both their predators and their prey.
Life is a complex system, and everything effects everything ELSE in the
system.
***

---
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Date: 28 Dec 2008 22:40:53
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works
<RussGeorgiev@aol.com > wrote in message
news:4f74903f-8115-44bc-865f-7b602961ecd9@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

> You're in an elite group, being able to talk to GOD.

Hardly.

The elite are the ones who hear GOD talking back.

Jim




   
Date: 29 Dec 2008 02:23:46
From: MZB
Subject: Re: How God works
either way-- delushional

MB
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:BaKdnR62C_Jr7cXUnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> <RussGeorgiev@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:4f74903f-8115-44bc-865f-7b602961ecd9@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>> You're in an elite group, being able to talk to GOD.
>
> Hardly.
>
> The elite are the ones who hear GOD talking back.
>
> Jim
>
>




    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 23:42:17
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works
"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net > wrote in message
news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
> either way-- delushional

Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who believe
NO GOD EXISTS.

Talking to GOD, whatever you percieve him to be -- hairy thunderer or cosmic
muffin, is harmless and cathartic. More people should do it, IMO.

Fewer people should believe that GOD is engaging them in conversation.

Jim


> MB
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:BaKdnR62C_Jr7cXUnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>> <RussGeorgiev@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:4f74903f-8115-44bc-865f-7b602961ecd9@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>> You're in an elite group, being able to talk to GOD.
>>
>> Hardly.
>>
>> The elite are the ones who hear GOD talking back.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>
>




     
Date: 29 Dec 2008 17:06:38
From: MZB
Subject: Re: How God works
Um...Clave... I think the leap of faith lies with the religionists.

Mel
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:uO2dnePwlvfE4sXUnZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> "MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
> news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>> either way-- delushional
>
> Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who believe
> NO GOD EXISTS.
>
> Talking to GOD, whatever you percieve him to be -- hairy thunderer or
> cosmic muffin, is harmless and cathartic. More people should do it, IMO.
>
> Fewer people should believe that GOD is engaging them in conversation.
>
> Jim
>
>
>> MB
>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>> news:BaKdnR62C_Jr7cXUnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>> <RussGeorgiev@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4f74903f-8115-44bc-865f-7b602961ecd9@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> You're in an elite group, being able to talk to GOD.
>>>
>>> Hardly.
>>>
>>> The elite are the ones who hear GOD talking back.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>




      
Date: 29 Dec 2008 15:02:16
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works
"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net > wrote in message
news:LRb6l.37884$lX6.36400@newsfe06.iad...
>
> Um...Clave... I think the leap of faith lies with the religionists.

So none of you want to bother yourselves enough to look up what strong
atheism even means.

Not my problem.

Jim




       
Date: 29 Dec 2008 19:46:17
From: MZB
Subject: Re: How God works
Clave:

Strong Atheism Explained
Strong Atheism is the proposition that we should not suspend judgment about
the non-existence of a god or gods. More extensively, it is a positive
position against theistic values, semantics and anti-materialism, a rational
inquiry in the nature of religious thought, a new way of thinking about
religious and spiritual issues.



I repeat, the leap of faith remains with the religionists.

Mel

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
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> "MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
> news:LRb6l.37884$lX6.36400@newsfe06.iad...
>>
>> Um...Clave... I think the leap of faith lies with the religionists.
>
> So none of you want to bother yourselves enough to look up what strong
> atheism even means.
>
> Not my problem.
>
> Jim
>
>




        
Date: 29 Dec 2008 20:37:58
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: How God works
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:46:17 -0500, "MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net >
wrote:

>Clave:

>Strong Atheism Explained
>Strong Atheism is the proposition that we should not suspend judgment about
>the non-existence of a god or gods. More extensively, it is a positive
>position against theistic values, semantics and anti-materialism, a rational
>inquiry in the nature of religious thought, a new way of thinking about
>religious and spiritual issues.

I have no strong belief in the nonexistence of God. There may be a
Creator.

However, I have zero doubt that the Christian "God" does not exist, or
is not worthy of the name "God." Christians (and for that matter
Muslims) are simply wrong. Their God does not exist, and if He did
exist, would be a piece of shit.


        
Date: 29 Dec 2008 16:48:27
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works
"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net > wrote in message
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> Clave:
>
> Strong Atheism Explained
> Strong Atheism is the proposition that we should not suspend judgment
> about the non-existence of a god or gods. More extensively, it is a
> positive position against theistic values, semantics and anti-materialism,
> a rational inquiry in the nature of religious thought, a new way of
> thinking about religious and spiritual issues.
>
> I repeat, the leap of faith remains with the religionists.

I think you should re-read what you quoted.

Jim




     
Date: 29 Dec 2008 00:18:02
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: How God works
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:42:17 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>> either way-- delushional
>
>Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who believe
>NO GOD EXISTS.

A novel idea - it requires faith *not* to believe in God.


      
Date: 29 Dec 2008 00:26:43
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works
"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid > wrote in message
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> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:42:17 -0800, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>>"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>>news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>>> either way-- delushional
>>
>>Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who believe
>>NO GOD EXISTS.
>
> A novel idea - it requires faith *not* to believe in God.

Not novel at all if you don't rearrange my words. The currently-fashionable
term for it is "strong atheism", and it requires just as much of a leap of
faith as any theism.

Jim




       
Date: 29 Dec 2008 01:30:14
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: How God works
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:26:43 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>news:0t1hl4dc2neffpvtjc7cmd1tagbuoqbqcs@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:42:17 -0800, "Clave"
>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>>>news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>>>> either way-- delushional
>>>
>>>Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who believe
>>>NO GOD EXISTS.
>>
>> A novel idea - it requires faith *not* to believe in God.
>
>Not novel at all if you don't rearrange my words. The currently-fashionable
>term for it is "strong atheism", and it requires just as much of a leap of
>faith as any theism.

If you were talking about strong atheism as opposed to atheism, you
should have said so. Nevertheless, I disagree with your assertion
that it requires just as much of a leap of faith as theism.

Strong atheists base their beliefs on evidence and logic. They
remain open to their position being disproven. This differs
significanly from most theists.


        
Date: 29 Dec 2008 01:41:14
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works
"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid > wrote in message
news:d15hl45lokf2cudgf6stfeneofq2a85q2f@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:26:43 -0800, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>>"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>news:0t1hl4dc2neffpvtjc7cmd1tagbuoqbqcs@4ax.com...
>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:42:17 -0800, "Clave"
>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>>>>> either way-- delushional
>>>>
>>>>Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who
>>>>believe
>>>>NO GOD EXISTS.
>>>
>>> A novel idea - it requires faith *not* to believe in God.
>>
>>Not novel at all if you don't rearrange my words. The
>>currently-fashionable
>>term for it is "strong atheism", and it requires just as much of a leap of
>>faith as any theism.
>
> If you were talking about strong atheism as opposed to atheism, you
> should have said so...

I said as much.

Your inability/unwillingness to accurately parse English sentences is
becoming something of a trademark of yours.

Jim




         
Date: 31 Dec 2008 01:05:44
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: How God works
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:41:14 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>news:d15hl45lokf2cudgf6stfeneofq2a85q2f@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:26:43 -0800, "Clave"
>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:0t1hl4dc2neffpvtjc7cmd1tagbuoqbqcs@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:42:17 -0800, "Clave"
>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>>>>>> either way-- delushional
>>>>>
>>>>>Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who
>>>>>believe
>>>>>NO GOD EXISTS.
>>>>
>>>> A novel idea - it requires faith *not* to believe in God.
>>>
>>>Not novel at all if you don't rearrange my words. The
>>>currently-fashionable
>>>term for it is "strong atheism", and it requires just as much of a leap of
>>>faith as any theism.
>>
>> If you were talking about strong atheism as opposed to atheism, you
>> should have said so...
>
>I said as much.
>
>Your inability/unwillingness to accurately parse English sentences is
>becoming something of a trademark of yours.
>
>Jim
>

Blah, blah, blah.


         
Date: 29 Dec 2008 15:32:19
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: How God works

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
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> "Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:d15hl45lokf2cudgf6stfeneofq2a85q2f@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:26:43 -0800, "Clave"
>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>
>>>"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>news:0t1hl4dc2neffpvtjc7cmd1tagbuoqbqcs@4ax.com...
>>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:42:17 -0800, "Clave"
>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>>>>>> either way-- delushional
>>>>>
>>>>>Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who
>>>>>believe
>>>>>NO GOD EXISTS.
>>>>
>>>> A novel idea - it requires faith *not* to believe in God.
>>>
>>>Not novel at all if you don't rearrange my words. The
>>>currently-fashionable
>>>term for it is "strong atheism", and it requires just as much of a leap
>>>of
>>>faith as any theism.
>>
>> If you were talking about strong atheism as opposed to atheism, you
>> should have said so...
>
> I said as much.
>
> Your inability/unwillingness to accurately parse English sentences is
> becoming something of a trademark of yours.
>
> Jim
Jimbo, are you and pepe staging this fight because everyone thought you two
were the same person?

You're on the retard side of this one. You were on the retard side of the
last one. It looks obvious you're getting the "moron" side to fight.

>
>




          
Date: 31 Dec 2008 01:07:16
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: How God works
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:32:19 GMT, "Beldin the Sorcerer"
<beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote:

>Jimbo, are you and pepe staging this fight because everyone thought you two
>were the same person?

So, now you're "everyone"?


           
Date: 31 Dec 2008 14:02:22
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: How God works

"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid > wrote in message
news:nhdml4dk885epi41c2vufc9q0qh1uomu4s@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:32:19 GMT, "Beldin the Sorcerer"
> <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>Jimbo, are you and pepe staging this fight because everyone thought you
>>two
>>were the same person?
>
> So, now you're "everyone"?
No.
Surely you don't think I was the only one watching then, do you?

I note you have all the sane views in your disagreements.




            
Date: 02 Jan 2009 02:44:35
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: How God works
On Wed, 31 Dec 2008 14:02:22 GMT, "Beldin the Sorcerer"
<beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote:

>"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>news:nhdml4dk885epi41c2vufc9q0qh1uomu4s@4ax.com...
>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:32:19 GMT, "Beldin the Sorcerer"
>> <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Jimbo, are you and pepe staging this fight because everyone thought you
>>>two
>>>were the same person?
>>
>> So, now you're "everyone"?
>No.
>Surely you don't think I was the only one watching then, do you?

OK - you and a bunch of other people with extremely poor judgment.


          
Date: 29 Dec 2008 15:01:34
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works
"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
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>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:Ye2dnVSyLrKmBsXUnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>> "Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:d15hl45lokf2cudgf6stfeneofq2a85q2f@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:26:43 -0800, "Clave"
>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>news:0t1hl4dc2neffpvtjc7cmd1tagbuoqbqcs@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:42:17 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>>>>>>> either way-- delushional
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who
>>>>>>believe
>>>>>>NO GOD EXISTS.
>>>>>
>>>>> A novel idea - it requires faith *not* to believe in God.
>>>>
>>>>Not novel at all if you don't rearrange my words. The
>>>>currently-fashionable
>>>>term for it is "strong atheism", and it requires just as much of a leap
>>>>of
>>>>faith as any theism.
>>>
>>> If you were talking about strong atheism as opposed to atheism, you
>>> should have said so...
>>
>> I said as much.
>>
>> Your inability/unwillingness to accurately parse English sentences is
>> becoming something of a trademark of yours.
>>
>> Jim
> Jimbo, are you and pepe staging this fight because everyone thought you
> two were the same person?
>
> You're on the retard side of this one. You were on the retard side of the
> last one. It looks obvious you're getting the "moron" side to fight.

So you can't parse English either. Funny, I wouldn't think you'd be so
proud of it.

Jim




           
Date: 30 Dec 2008 04:04:05
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: How God works

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:GJidnaFyoI5Sy8TUnZ2dnUVZ_sfinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:7466l.1735$Es4.801@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>
>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>> news:Ye2dnVSyLrKmBsXUnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>> "Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:d15hl45lokf2cudgf6stfeneofq2a85q2f@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:26:43 -0800, "Clave"
>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>news:0t1hl4dc2neffpvtjc7cmd1tagbuoqbqcs@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:42:17 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>>>>>>>> either way-- delushional
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who
>>>>>>>believe
>>>>>>>NO GOD EXISTS.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A novel idea - it requires faith *not* to believe in God.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not novel at all if you don't rearrange my words. The
>>>>>currently-fashionable
>>>>>term for it is "strong atheism", and it requires just as much of a leap
>>>>>of
>>>>>faith as any theism.
>>>>
>>>> If you were talking about strong atheism as opposed to atheism, you
>>>> should have said so...
>>>
>>> I said as much.
>>>
>>> Your inability/unwillingness to accurately parse English sentences is
>>> becoming something of a trademark of yours.
>>>
>>> Jim
>> Jimbo, are you and pepe staging this fight because everyone thought you
>> two were the same person?
>>
>> You're on the retard side of this one. You were on the retard side of the
>> last one. It looks obvious you're getting the "moron" side to fight.
>
> So you can't parse English either. Funny, I wouldn't think you'd be so
> proud of it.
Shithead, you're simply wrong.
That's nothing new for you, of course.
If you limit the definition of "God" to what most people mean by it, a
supreme being capable of intervening and violating known physical laws,
asserting there isn't one is completely rational and requires no faith in
anything.
So long as you are willing to abandon it, should a counter-example be
provided.

Can a physical partical accellerate past light speed? No. This is a rational
answer based on all available science, and requires no faith at all. It's
supported by overwhelming evidence. And if evidence arises that somehow
invalidates it, we'll all change our view in the face of it.

Your total lack of thinking ability is long established.

Go back to posting about how Clinton's impeachment was a civil crime.





            
Date: 29 Dec 2008 20:12:08
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works

"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
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>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:GJidnaFyoI5Sy8TUnZ2dnUVZ_sfinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:7466l.1735$Es4.801@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>>
>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>> news:Ye2dnVSyLrKmBsXUnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>> "Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>> news:d15hl45lokf2cudgf6stfeneofq2a85q2f@4ax.com...
>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:26:43 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:0t1hl4dc2neffpvtjc7cmd1tagbuoqbqcs@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:42:17 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>>>>>>>>> either way-- delushional
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who
>>>>>>>>believe
>>>>>>>>NO GOD EXISTS.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A novel idea - it requires faith *not* to believe in God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not novel at all if you don't rearrange my words. The
>>>>>>currently-fashionable
>>>>>>term for it is "strong atheism", and it requires just as much of a
>>>>>>leap of
>>>>>>faith as any theism.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you were talking about strong atheism as opposed to atheism, you
>>>>> should have said so...
>>>>
>>>> I said as much.
>>>>
>>>> Your inability/unwillingness to accurately parse English sentences is
>>>> becoming something of a trademark of yours.
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>> Jimbo, are you and pepe staging this fight because everyone thought you
>>> two were the same person?
>>>
>>> You're on the retard side of this one. You were on the retard side of
>>> the last one. It looks obvious you're getting the "moron" side to fight.
>>
>> So you can't parse English either. Funny, I wouldn't think you'd be so
>> proud of it.
> Shithead, you're simply wrong.

You poor, pompous ass.

Trying to score rhetorical points here won't work because a) you're too
ignorant to see your mistake, and b) too fucking pig-headed to admit it even
if you did have the capacity to recognize it.

Jim




             
Date: 30 Dec 2008 06:15:42
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: How God works

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
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>
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:V4h6l.1890$Es4.91@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>
>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>> news:GJidnaFyoI5Sy8TUnZ2dnUVZ_sfinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:7466l.1735$Es4.801@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:Ye2dnVSyLrKmBsXUnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>>> "Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>> news:d15hl45lokf2cudgf6stfeneofq2a85q2f@4ax.com...
>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:26:43 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:0t1hl4dc2neffpvtjc7cmd1tagbuoqbqcs@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:42:17 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>>>>>>>>>> either way-- delushional
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who
>>>>>>>>>believe
>>>>>>>>>NO GOD EXISTS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A novel idea - it requires faith *not* to believe in God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not novel at all if you don't rearrange my words. The
>>>>>>>currently-fashionable
>>>>>>>term for it is "strong atheism", and it requires just as much of a
>>>>>>>leap of
>>>>>>>faith as any theism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you were talking about strong atheism as opposed to atheism, you
>>>>>> should have said so...
>>>>>
>>>>> I said as much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your inability/unwillingness to accurately parse English sentences is
>>>>> becoming something of a trademark of yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim
>>>> Jimbo, are you and pepe staging this fight because everyone thought you
>>>> two were the same person?
>>>>
>>>> You're on the retard side of this one. You were on the retard side of
>>>> the last one. It looks obvious you're getting the "moron" side to
>>>> fight.
>>>
>>> So you can't parse English either. Funny, I wouldn't think you'd be so
>>> proud of it.
>> Shithead, you're simply wrong.
>
> You poor, pompous ass.
>
> Trying to score rhetorical points here won't work because a) you're too
> ignorant to see your mistake, and b) too fucking pig-headed to admit it
> even if you did have the capacity to recognize it.
Jimbo, you've already demonstrated that all applies to you in the
Impeachment thread.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about here, either.
As usual.





              
Date: 29 Dec 2008 22:17:29
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works
"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
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>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:go2dnbmphKUHAsTUnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>
>> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:V4h6l.1890$Es4.91@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>>
>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>> news:GJidnaFyoI5Sy8TUnZ2dnUVZ_sfinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:7466l.1735$Es4.801@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:Ye2dnVSyLrKmBsXUnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>>>> "Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:d15hl45lokf2cudgf6stfeneofq2a85q2f@4ax.com...
>>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:26:43 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>message
>>>>>>>>news:0t1hl4dc2neffpvtjc7cmd1tagbuoqbqcs@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:42:17 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>> either way-- delushional
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who
>>>>>>>>>>believe
>>>>>>>>>>NO GOD EXISTS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A novel idea - it requires faith *not* to believe in God.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not novel at all if you don't rearrange my words. The
>>>>>>>>currently-fashionable
>>>>>>>>term for it is "strong atheism", and it requires just as much of a
>>>>>>>>leap of
>>>>>>>>faith as any theism.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you were talking about strong atheism as opposed to atheism, you
>>>>>>> should have said so...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I said as much.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your inability/unwillingness to accurately parse English sentences is
>>>>>> becoming something of a trademark of yours.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jim
>>>>> Jimbo, are you and pepe staging this fight because everyone thought
>>>>> you two were the same person?
>>>>>
>>>>> You're on the retard side of this one. You were on the retard side of
>>>>> the last one. It looks obvious you're getting the "moron" side to
>>>>> fight.
>>>>
>>>> So you can't parse English either. Funny, I wouldn't think you'd be so
>>>> proud of it.
>>> Shithead, you're simply wrong.
>>
>> You poor, pompous ass.
>>
>> Trying to score rhetorical points here won't work because a) you're too
>> ignorant to see your mistake, and b) too fucking pig-headed to admit it
>> even if you did have the capacity to recognize it.
>
> Jimbo, you've already demonstrated that all applies to you in the
> Impeachment thread...

Sure, Beldrip. When forced to admit a mistake, change the subject.

Jim




               
Date: 30 Dec 2008 06:26:58
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: How God works

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
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> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:i0j6l.1920$BC4.1461@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>
>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>> news:go2dnbmphKUHAsTUnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>
>>> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:V4h6l.1890$Es4.91@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:GJidnaFyoI5Sy8TUnZ2dnUVZ_sfinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>>> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7466l.1735$Es4.801@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:Ye2dnVSyLrKmBsXUnZ2dnUVZ_rmdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>>>>> "Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>> message news:d15hl45lokf2cudgf6stfeneofq2a85q2f@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:26:43 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>message
>>>>>>>>>news:0t1hl4dc2neffpvtjc7cmd1tagbuoqbqcs@4ax.com...
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 23:42:17 -0800, "Clave"
>>>>>>>>>> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>>news:3W_5l.3362$Io6.1057@newsfe23.iad...
>>>>>>>>>>>> either way-- delushional
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Um, no. Not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists
>>>>>>>>>>>who believe
>>>>>>>>>>>NO GOD EXISTS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A novel idea - it requires faith *not* to believe in God.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Not novel at all if you don't rearrange my words. The
>>>>>>>>>currently-fashionable
>>>>>>>>>term for it is "strong atheism", and it requires just as much of a
>>>>>>>>>leap of
>>>>>>>>>faith as any theism.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you were talking about strong atheism as opposed to atheism, you
>>>>>>>> should have said so...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I said as much.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your inability/unwillingness to accurately parse English sentences
>>>>>>> is becoming something of a trademark of yours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jim
>>>>>> Jimbo, are you and pepe staging this fight because everyone thought
>>>>>> you two were the same person?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're on the retard side of this one. You were on the retard side of
>>>>>> the last one. It looks obvious you're getting the "moron" side to
>>>>>> fight.
>>>>>
>>>>> So you can't parse English either. Funny, I wouldn't think you'd be
>>>>> so proud of it.
>>>> Shithead, you're simply wrong.
>>>
>>> You poor, pompous ass.
>>>
>>> Trying to score rhetorical points here won't work because a) you're too
>>> ignorant to see your mistake, and b) too fucking pig-headed to admit it
>>> even if you did have the capacity to recognize it.
>>
>> Jimbo, you've already demonstrated that all applies to you in the
>> Impeachment thread...
>
> Sure, Beldrip. When forced to admit a mistake, change the subject.
>
There's no mistake here.
Of course, in your case, it's "when shown you fucked up royally, run away
and pretend it didn't happen"


Denying an interventionist god requires NO faith in anything.
So long as you're willing to repudiate said belief in the face of evidence.
You cannot prove a negative. You can get so much evidence that a
counterexample becomes an extremely low probability.




                
Date: 29 Dec 2008 22:57:10
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works
"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:Saj6l.1921$BC4.1818@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:i5WdnafNRrRnIcTUnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...

<... >

>> Sure, Beldrip. When forced to admit a mistake, change the subject.
>>
> There's no mistake here.

OK, dummy, I'll spell it out. Small words, just for you.

I wrote:

...not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who
believe NO GOD EXISTS.

which is a textbook definition of strong atheism, which was exactly what I
was talking about, and which is why I fucking phrased it that way.

If you need to try to salvage some small shred of self-respect by pretending
that I was referring to something else, feel free.

Jim




                 
Date: 31 Dec 2008 01:13:20
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: How God works
On Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:57:10 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>I wrote:
>
> ...not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who
> believe NO GOD EXISTS.
>
>which is a textbook definition of strong atheism, which was exactly what I
>was talking about, and which is why I fucking phrased it that way.

Good point except that it's completely wrong. Strong atheist is
simply not based on a leap of faith. Any resemblance to the type of
faith required for theism is virtually nil.


                 
Date: 30 Dec 2008 07:45:19
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: How God works

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:uNCdnbS5zbLaW8TUnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Saj6l.1921$BC4.1818@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>
>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>> news:i5WdnafNRrRnIcTUnZ2dnUVZ_umdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>
> <...>
>
>>> Sure, Beldrip. When forced to admit a mistake, change the subject.
>>>
>> There's no mistake here.
>
> OK, dummy, I'll spell it out. Small words, just for you.
>
Small mind, just from you.

> I wrote:
>
> ...not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who
> believe NO GOD EXISTS.
Which most rational people mean that there isn't an interventionist god.


>
> which is a textbook definition of strong atheism, which was exactly what I
> was talking about, and which is why I fucking phrased it that way.
No, shithead.
THIS would be a classic definition of the term :

Strong Atheism is the proposition that we should not suspend judgment about
the non-existence of a god or gods. More extensively, it is a positive
position against theistic values, semantics and anti-materialism, a rational
inquiry in the nature of religious thought, a new way of thinking about
religious and spiritual issues.

Of course "Classic" is a relative term, given the term is quite recent.

The "strong" and "weak" groups did not come into common usage until the
early 1990s, their popularization assisted by their common usage in the
alt.atheism Usenet group at the time


>
> If you need to try to salvage some small shred of self-respect by
> pretending that I was referring to something else, feel free.
Shithead, only YOU are stupid enough to think that what you're claiming now
that you meant should have been understood as such.




                  
Date: 30 Dec 2008 00:14:07
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works
"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:jkk6l.1925$BC4.1189@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:uNCdnbS5zbLaW8TUnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...

<... >

>> I wrote:
>>
>> ...not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who
>> believe NO GOD EXISTS.
>
> Which most rational people mean that there isn't an interventionist god.

You yourself took it to mean that, dumbass. Have some fucking self-
respect and own your own words.

I'm not talking code here, Chumley. I meant exactly what I said, and you
fucked up the reading because you were careless. Or maybe you really just
don't know what the words mean. I don't care.

I said something quite clear, and you want (need, now) to pretend I meant
something else to cover up your own sloppy, reflexive reading skills and
cravenly juvenile inability to admit error.

Your laughably weak appeal to "most rational people" is a pretty clear
indicator that you're out of rational things to say yourself.


>> which is a textbook definition of strong atheism, which was exactly what
>> I was talking about, and which is why I fucking phrased it that way.
>
> No, shithead.

Fraid so, stomp your little feets and "La-la-la" with your fingers in your
ears all you want -- that seems to be what you're best at.

Strong atheism is the specific affirmation that no gods exist, which is
exactly what I said.

Jim






                   
Date: 31 Dec 2008 01:20:12
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: How God works
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 00:14:07 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>I said something quite clear,

It was so clear that nobody understood it.


                   
Date: 30 Dec 2008 08:53:05
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: How God works

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:4ICdndK3gvTNRcTUnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:jkk6l.1925$BC4.1189@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>
>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>> news:uNCdnbS5zbLaW8TUnZ2dnUVZ_obinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>
> <...>
>
>>> I wrote:
>>>
>>> ...not unless you're one of those leap-of-faith atheists who
>>> believe NO GOD EXISTS.
>>
>> Which most rational people mean that there isn't an interventionist god.
>
> You yourself took it to mean that, dumbass. Have some fucking self-
> respect and own your own words.
Me, Pepe, people with IQ's in at least double digits...

>
> I'm not talking code here, Chumley. I meant exactly what I said, and you
> fucked up the reading because you were careless. Or maybe you really just
> don't know what the words mean. I don't care.
No, you didn't mean what you typed. You meant what you thought, which
DOESN'T automatically follow from what you typed.

>
> I said something quite clear, and you want (need, now) to pretend I meant
> something else to cover up your own sloppy, reflexive reading skills and
> cravenly juvenile inability to admit error.
No, shithead. You said something that nearly 100% of sane rational people
would interpret the way everyone else interpreted it, then you bullshitted
your "strong atheism" crap to cover your stupidity.


>
> Your laughably weak appeal to "most rational people" is a pretty clear
> indicator that you're out of rational things to say yourself.
>
No, it's indicitive of the universal interpretation of what your sentence
actually means.
Not that idiotic claim you gave it.

>
>>> which is a textbook definition of strong atheism, which was exactly what
>>> I was talking about, and which is why I fucking phrased it that way.
>>
>> No, shithead.
>
> Fraid so, stomp your little feets and "La-la-la" with your fingers in your
> ears all you want -- that seems to be what you're best at.
>
> Strong atheism is the specific affirmation that no gods exist, which is
> exactly what I said.
Nope, retard.
I GAVE you the definition.
You KNOW it's right and it shows you're a retard, because you REMOVED it.
Here it is again, moron :
Strong Atheism is the proposition that we should not suspend judgment about
the non-existence of a god or gods. More extensively, it is a positive
position against theistic values, semantics and anti-materialism, a rational
inquiry in the nature of religious thought, a new way of thinking about
religious and spiritual issues.

Of course "Classic" is a relative term, given the term is quite recent.

The "strong" and "weak" groups did not come into common usage until the
early 1990s, their popularization assisted by their common usage in the
alt.atheism Usenet group at the time




                    
Date: 30 Dec 2008 01:08:54
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works
"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:Rjl6l.1927$BC4.120@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:4ICdndK3gvTNRcTUnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...

<... >

>> Strong atheism is the specific affirmation that no gods exist, which is
>> exactly what I said.
>
> Nope, retard.
> I GAVE you the definition.

This gets funnier and funnier.

You gave me *a* self-serving definition (from where, I wonder), which you
don't even comprehend well enough to realize that it doesn't contradict me.

Jim




                     
Date: 31 Dec 2008 01:18:11
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: How God works
On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:08:54 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>You gave me *a* self-serving definition (from where, I wonder)

How about from here:

http://www.strongatheism.net/


                      
Date: 31 Dec 2008 14:01:04
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: How God works

"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid > wrote in message
news:76eml45femkodptf4sb6fbpfh4t7goeg11@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 01:08:54 -0800, "Clave"
> <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>
>>You gave me *a* self-serving definition (from where, I wonder)
>
> How about from here:
>
> http://www.strongatheism.net/
That would be correct.

It IS the very first hit on Google.
Jimbo seems to be dropping acid or something.




                     
Date: 30 Dec 2008 10:29:54
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: How God works

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:KKqdnbx3p5O1eMTUnZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:Rjl6l.1927$BC4.120@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>
>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>> news:4ICdndK3gvTNRcTUnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>
> <...>
>
>>> Strong atheism is the specific affirmation that no gods exist, which is
>>> exactly what I said.
>>
>> Nope, retard.
>> I GAVE you the definition.
>
> This gets funnier and funnier.
>
> You gave me *a* self-serving definition (from where, I wonder), which you
> don't even comprehend well enough to realize that it doesn't contradict
> me.
Yep, you're a shit for brains.
It sets the bar for strong atheism FAR ABOVE where you claim it needs to be
for your sentence to MEAN sttrong atheism.
You moron.




                      
Date: 30 Dec 2008 02:38:05
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works
"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:CKm6l.1931$BC4.363@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:KKqdnbx3p5O1eMTUnZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:Rjl6l.1927$BC4.120@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>>
>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>> news:4ICdndK3gvTNRcTUnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>
>> <...>
>>
>>>> Strong atheism is the specific affirmation that no gods exist, which is
>>>> exactly what I said.
>>>
>>> Nope, retard.
>>> I GAVE you the definition.
>>
>> This gets funnier and funnier.
>>
>> You gave me *a* self-serving definition (from where, I wonder), which you
>> don't even comprehend well enough to realize that it doesn't contradict
>> me.
>
> Yep...

You don't even understand your own cites.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_atheism




                       
Date: 30 Dec 2008 10:58:11
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: How God works

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:nLqdncm6woiQZ8TUnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:CKm6l.1931$BC4.363@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>
>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>> news:KKqdnbx3p5O1eMTUnZ2dnUVZ_q3inZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:Rjl6l.1927$BC4.120@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:4ICdndK3gvTNRcTUnZ2dnUVZ_sLinZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
>>>
>>> <...>
>>>
>>>>> Strong atheism is the specific affirmation that no gods exist, which
>>>>> is
>>>>> exactly what I said.
>>>>
>>>> Nope, retard.
>>>> I GAVE you the definition.
>>>
>>> This gets funnier and funnier.
>>>
>>> You gave me *a* self-serving definition (from where, I wonder), which
>>> you don't even comprehend well enough to realize that it doesn't
>>> contradict me.
>>
>> Yep...
>
> You don't even understand your own cites.
I understand my cite fine.
YOU don't.
But then, you fuck up so often.

Did you even read what you linked to, shithead?

Read THIS, just for example :
Because of flexibility in the term "god", it is understood that a person
could be a strong atheist in terms of certain portrayals of gods, while
remaining a weak atheist in terms of others.

That line alone means your statement shouldn't be assumed to mean a fucking
thing CLOSE to what you claimed it did.

Now go reread what the strong atheism website says it means

Now read your Wikipedia cite some more, shithead :
The distinction between strong and weak atheism is one of several applied to
beliefs about the existence or nonexistence of gods. It is similar in ways
to the popularly held conception of "atheists" and "agnostics," in which
atheism has generally been considered an active disbelief in gods, except by
starting instead with the broader definition of atheism which includes any
absence of belief in gods and thus encompasses some forms of agnosticism
(see agnostic atheism). Accordingly, the division between "strong" and
"weak" atheism functions to separate atheism as a disbelief in gods from
forms of atheism that fall short of this, and which could simultaneously be
characterized as agnosticism. The validity of this categorisation is
disputed, however, and a few prominent atheists such as Richard Dawkins
avoid it. In The God Delusion Dawkins describes people for whom the
probability of the existence of God is between "very high" and "very low" as
"agnostic" and reserves the term "strong atheist" for "I know there is no
god". He categorises himself as a "de facto atheist" but not a "strong
atheist" under this definition.[2]

So you've got differing interpretations as to exactly what the term means.








>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_atheism
>
>




                        
Date: 30 Dec 2008 20:14:50
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works
"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:79n6l.1934$BC4.673@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...

<... >

> Now go reread what the strong atheism website says it means

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Strong_vs._weak

It says, "Strong atheism is the explicit affirmation that gods do not
exist."

Excatly what I said it was.

Jim




                         
Date: 31 Dec 2008 14:05:06
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: How God works

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:ab6dnZsRUpEnbMfUnZ2dnUVZ_gOdnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:79n6l.1934$BC4.673@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> <...>
>
>> Now go reread what the strong atheism website says it means
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism#Strong_vs._weak
Shithead, that isn't the strong atheism web site.

>
> It says, "Strong atheism is the explicit affirmation that gods do not
> exist."
Shithead,
That isn't all that it said.
I cited MORE than enough from your link to show you're a clueless shit for
brains on this topic too.
Get someone with at least half a brain to read it to you and explain it,
since you're clearly too fucking stupid to grasp it.

>
> Excatly what I said it was.
Wrong, shithead.





                  
Date: 30 Dec 2008 00:07:34
From: Bill T
Subject: Re: How God works
You guys are starting to give us Orthodox Atheists a bad name.



                   
Date: 30 Dec 2008 00:23:13
From: Clave
Subject: Re: How God works
"Bill T" <wctom1@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:49599b91$0$5558$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>
> You guys are starting to give us Orthodox Atheists a bad name.

Some of us in seattle.politics founded a support group some years back for
people who get involved in threads with fuckhead trolls like Beldin -- On
and On Anon.

I need to get to a meeting.

Jim




                    
Date: 30 Dec 2008 08:45:03
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: How God works

"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
news:6omdnX_EM6blR8TUnZ2dnUVZ_rydnZ2d@cablespeedmi.com...
> "Bill T" <wctom1@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:49599b91$0$5558$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>>
>> You guys are starting to give us Orthodox Atheists a bad name.
>
> Some of us in seattle.politics founded a support group some years back for
> people who get involved in threads with fuckhead trolls like Beldin -- On
> and On Anon.
>
Jimbo, it ain't trolling to point out you're wrong.




 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 19:45:37
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: How God works
On Dec 28 2008 1:37 AM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:

> Ask God for the kind of help you know he will provide.
>
> Here is an example of how God works.
>
> 10 guys, 10 horses
>
> All ten want to win and pray accordingly.
>
> God does not usually interfere in this instance because he would be
> ruining someones dream.
>
> so where is the profit with God ? (( hehe multilevel hidden reference to
> prophet ))
>
> Ok, this is where JESUS helps routinely although God will deliver the lock
> of the century on rare occasions.

Wait. I know some translations of the bible call jesus "the son of god"
but I thought it was more literally that jesus is supposed to be the
embodiment of god himself on earth, not really his "son". Also, will
somebody tell me why Joseph was such a pussy that he got married, never
consumated his marriage, his wife got pregnant ("no honey, it was god, I
swear it wasn't a centurion, I swear") and then didn't divorce her ass?

>
> Jesus will help you pick the right horse BEFORE the race.
>
> All the bettors are prayin like crazy as they hustle into the stretch.
> TOOO LATE
>
> PRAYER that involves you being a better you involves participation.
>
> See, when God helps you before the race it's like insurance. Everyone else
> who picks the same horse wins a teeny bit less because they share the pool
> with you. God is not greatly impacting the others.
>
> If you want God to make your horse win in the stretch you are asking him
> to impact others greatly. God does not like this. Ask for help making
> decisions.
>
> Lets pretend you married a woman from another country only to realize you
> were set up on numerous levels. I could ask God to hit them all with
> meteors. You could ask that they all die immediately in all sorts of ways
> that would please you.
>
> The problem is that these people unfortunately have other purposes. What I
> would do is hope that they learn. Learning just what one has done wrong is
> a whole lot more intense than most are willing to accept. If someone sins
> against you they will pay. Pray that God will teach them NOW.
>
> Thank God and my Dad that most of my sins were correctable for a fee.
>
> Just pray for help understanding things. The more that you understand God,
> the more he can give you.
>
>
> Atheism is drawing dead


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Date: 28 Dec 2008 13:26:27
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: How God works
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:37:47 -0800, "La Cosa Nostradamus"
<a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

[Absolute batshit craziness]

>Atheism is drawing dead

Schizophrenia is drawing dead. Take your meds nut.


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 09:21:18
From: da pickle no spam
Subject: Re: How God works
On Dec 28, 1:37=A0am, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
> Ask God for the kind of help you know he will provide.
>
> Here is an example of how God works.
>
> 10 guys, 10 horses
>
> All ten want to win and pray accordingly.
>
> God does not usually interfere in this instance because he would be
> ruining someones dream.
>
> so where is the profit with God ? =A0(( hehe multilevel hidden reference =
to
> prophet ))
>
> Ok, this is where JESUS helps routinely although God will deliver the loc=
k
> of the century =A0on rare occasions.
>
> Jesus will help you pick the right horse BEFORE the race.
>
> All the bettors are prayin like crazy as they hustle into the stretch. =
=A0
> TOOO LATE
>
> PRAYER that involves you being a better you involves participation.
>
> See, when God helps you before the race it's like insurance. Everyone els=
e
> who picks the same horse wins a teeny bit less because they share the poo=
l
> with you. God is not greatly impacting the others.
>
> If you want God to make your horse win in the stretch you are asking him
> to impact others greatly. God does not like this. Ask for help making
> decisions.
>
> Lets pretend you married a woman from another country only to realize you
> were set up on numerous levels. I could ask God to hit them all with
> meteors. You could ask that they all die immediately in all sorts of ways
> that would please you.
>
> The problem is that these people unfortunately have other purposes. What =
I
> would do is hope that they learn. Learning just what one has done wrong i=
s
> a whole lot more intense than most are willing to accept. If someone sins
> against you they will pay. Pray that God will teach them NOW.
>
> Thank God and my Dad that most of my sins were correctable for a fee.
>
> Just pray for help understanding things. The more that you understand God=
,
> the more he can give you.
>
> Atheism is drawing dead
>

LOL. Whackjob welcher. LOL


  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 09:29:01
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: How God works
On Dec 28, 9:21=A0am, da pickle no spam <jcpick...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Dec 28, 1:37=A0am, "La =A0Cosa =A0Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invali=
d >
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Ask God for the kind of help you know he will provide.
>
> > Here is an example of how God works.
>
> > 10 guys, 10 horses
>
> > All ten want to win and pray accordingly.
>
> > God does not usually interfere in this instance because he would be
> > ruining someones dream.
>
> > so where is the profit with God ? =A0(( hehe multilevel hidden referenc=
e to
> > prophet ))
>
> > Ok, this is where JESUS helps routinely although God will deliver the l=
ock
> > of the century =A0on rare occasions.
>
> > Jesus will help you pick the right horse BEFORE the race.
>
> > All the bettors are prayin like crazy as they hustle into the stretch. =
=A0
> > TOOO LATE
>
> > PRAYER that involves you being a better you involves participation.
>
> > See, when God helps you before the race it's like insurance. Everyone e=
lse
> > who picks the same horse wins a teeny bit less because they share the p=
ool
> > with you. God is not greatly impacting the others.
>
> > If you want God to make your horse win in the stretch you are asking hi=
m
> > to impact others greatly. God does not like this. Ask for help making
> > decisions.
>
> > Lets pretend you married a woman from another country only to realize y=
ou
> > were set up on numerous levels. I could ask God to hit them all with
> > meteors. You could ask that they all die immediately in all sorts of wa=
ys
> > that would please you.
>
> > The problem is that these people unfortunately have other purposes. Wha=
t I
> > would do is hope that they learn. Learning just what one has done wrong=
is
> > a whole lot more intense than most are willing to accept. If someone si=
ns
> > against you they will pay. Pray that God will teach them NOW.
>
> > Thank God and my Dad that most of my sins were correctable for a fee.
>
> > Just pray for help understanding things. The more that you understand G=
od,
> > the more he can give you.
>
> > Atheism is drawing dead
>
> LOL. Whackjob welcher. LOL

LOL. Chickenshit impersonator. LOL.

- Bob T.


 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 07:56:18
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: How God works
On Dec 28 2008 3:37 AM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:

> Ask God for the kind of help you know he will provide.
>
> Here is an example of how God works.
>
> 10 guys, 10 horses
>
> All ten want to win and pray accordingly.
>
> God does not usually interfere in this instance because he would be
> ruining someones dream.
>
> so where is the profit with God ? (( hehe multilevel hidden reference to
> prophet ))
>
> Ok, this is where JESUS helps routinely although God will deliver the lock
> of the century on rare occasions.
>
> Jesus will help you pick the right horse BEFORE the race.
>
> All the bettors are prayin like crazy as they hustle into the stretch.
> TOOO LATE
>
> PRAYER that involves you being a better you involves participation.
>
> See, when God helps you before the race it's like insurance. Everyone else
> who picks the same horse wins a teeny bit less because they share the pool
> with you. God is not greatly impacting the others.
>
> If you want God to make your horse win in the stretch you are asking him
> to impact others greatly. God does not like this. Ask for help making
> decisions.
>
> Lets pretend you married a woman from another country only to realize you
> were set up on numerous levels. I could ask God to hit them all with
> meteors. You could ask that they all die immediately in all sorts of ways
> that would please you.
>
> The problem is that these people unfortunately have other purposes. What I
> would do is hope that they learn. Learning just what one has done wrong is
> a whole lot more intense than most are willing to accept. If someone sins
> against you they will pay. Pray that God will teach them NOW.
>
> Thank God and my Dad that most of my sins were correctable for a fee.
>
> Just pray for help understanding things. The more that you understand God,
> the more he can give you.
>
>
> Atheism is drawing dead

ATHEISM WILL BE AROUND LONG AFTER CHRISTIANITY IS FORGOTTEN


Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 04:05:51
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: How God works
On Dec 28, 1:37=A0am, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:


>
> Atheism is drawing dead

You've persuaded me, Skillz. I obviously didn't understand all the
implications of Christianity. Now I do. My new friend God and I are
going to the racetrack. Whoo-hoo!

- Bob T.
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