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Date: 25 Dec 2008 20:06:48
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: God and Jesus
God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
do anything they wanted to do.

Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
quite high.

God saw perfection destroyed. i think this has raised his tolerance level.

Jesus came along, like any good Jewish son he took over the family
business.

Jesus inherited a morally rundown house. Jesus has not lived through what
God did, other than in the sense he is from God. Thus explaining his
desire for a better state, the inbred experience pulls him to it.

Jesus tolerates a lot more than God does.

The sadness God knows, he knows alone.

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Date: 27 Dec 2008 07:22:54
From: Vince
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:or1e26xh8c.ln2@recgroups.com...
> God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
> do anything they wanted to do.
>
> Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
> quite high.
>
> God saw perfection destroyed. i think this has raised his tolerance level.
>
> Jesus came along, like any good Jewish son he took over the family
> business.
>
> Jesus inherited a morally rundown house. Jesus has not lived through what
> God did, other than in the sense he is from God. Thus explaining his
> desire for a better state, the inbred experience pulls him to it.
>
> Jesus tolerates a lot more than God does.
>
> The sadness God knows, he knows alone.
>
> -----
> RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com
>

Recent scholarship has shed new light on the the historical Jesus. I refer
you to the "Jesus Puzzle" by Earl Doherty, who argues very persuasively that
the Jesus character never existed as an historical person- that he was only
a mythical figure like Isis, Mithra, and Thor etc. Paul's letters- the
earliest writings on Christianity- make no mention of an earthly Jesus. The
first reference to
Jesus as an historical figure comes to us from Mark who wrote his Gospel
about 70 AD- some 40 years after Jesus supposedly lived. So It's very likely
that billions of people have been worshiping a character in a book. It would
also make Mark the biggest con man in the history of the world.


Vince



  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:16:40
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 5:22=A0am, "Vince" <vcuccia...@comcast.net > wrote:


> =A0Recent scholarship has shed new light on the the historical Jesus. I r=
efer
> you to the "Jesus Puzzle" by Earl Doherty, who argues very persuasively t=
hat
> the Jesus character never existed as an historical person- that he was on=
ly
> a mythical figure like Isis, Mithra, and Thor etc. Paul's letters- the
> earliest writings on Christianity- make no mention of an earthly Jesus. T=
he
> first reference to
> Jesus as an historical figure comes to us from Mark who wrote his Gospel
> about 70 AD- some 40 years after Jesus supposedly lived.



Sounds like a "hater" who's just trying to "prove he's smarter than
everone else."




  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 15:27:18
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 3:19=A0pm, "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com >
wrote:
> "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
>
> news:820a7bbb-f8f0-4c0d-b0a6-216335d2cbf0@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 27, 10:41 am, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> <...>
>
> >> There is research now showing that ALL MEN came from one MAN. sound
> >> familiar?
>
> >One man who lived with one woman in a magical garden 6000 years ago?
> >Or one man among many people who happened to be our ancestor about a
> >quarter million years ago? =A0My money is on the latter.
>
> And, considering that mitochondrial DNA is transmitted *maternally*, it
> would be an interesting thing to try to prove.
>
> Jim

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam

"In human genetics, Y-chromosomal Adam (Y-MRCA) is the patrilineal
human most recent common ancestor (MRCA) from whom all Y chromosomes
in living men are descended. Y-chromosomal Adam is thus the male
counterpart of Mitochondrial Eve (the mt-MRCA), the matrilineal human
most recent common ancestor, from whom all mitochondrial DNA in living
humans is descended, although they lived at different times."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve

"Mitochondrial Eve (mt-mrca) is the name given by researchers to the
woman who is defined as the matrilineal most recent common ancestor
(MRCA) for all currently living humans. Passed down from mother to
offspring, her mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) is now found in all living
humans: every mtDNA in every living person is derived from hers.
Mitochondrial Eve is the female counterpart of Y-chromosomal Adam, the
patrilineal most recent common ancestor, although they lived at
different times.

She is believed to have lived about 140,000 years ago in what is now
Ethiopia, Kenya or Tanzania.[citation needed] The time she lived is
calculated based on the molecular clock technique of correlating
elapsed time with observed genetic drift."

- Bob T.


   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:17:21
From: Clave
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message
news:06c4bea1-52b0-4653-ae34-1f1aebdc5cc9@b38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...

<... >

> "In human genetics, Y-chromosomal Adam (Y-MRCA) is the patrilineal
> human most recent common ancestor (MRCA) from whom all Y chromosomes
> in living men are descended. Y-chromosomal Adam is thus the male
> counterpart of Mitochondrial Eve (the mt-MRCA), the matrilineal human
> most recent common ancestor, from whom all mitochondrial DNA in living
> humans is descended, although they lived at different times."

Lear something new every day.

Jim




  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 13:23:16
From: jpatk
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 12:37=A0pm, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net > wrote:
> "garycarson" <garycar...@alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote in message

> ORGANIZED RELIGION IS NOT CHRISTIANITY. Christianity is a relatitionship
> between a person and God through Jesus and the belief in Jesus' sacrifice=
on
> the cross. =A0In fact, organized religion is usually where the "nutbags" =
come
> from.

Amen.


  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 11:23:40
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 10:41=A0am, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net > wrote:
> "Vince" <vcuccia...@comcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:49561f00$0$28956$7836cce5@newsrazor.net...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >news:or1e26xh8c.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity =
to
> >> do anything they wanted to do.
>
> >> Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this i=
s
> >> quite high.
>
> >> God saw perfection destroyed. i think this has raised his tolerance
> >> level.
>
> >> Jesus came along, like any good Jewish son he took over the family
> >> business.
>
> >> Jesus inherited a morally rundown house. Jesus has not lived through w=
hat
> >> God did, other than in the sense he is from God. Thus explaining his
> >> desire for a better state, the inbred experience pulls him to it.
>
> >> Jesus tolerates a lot more than God does.
>
> >> The sadness God knows, he knows alone.
>
> >> -----
> >> RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader :www.recgroups.com
>
> > Recent scholarship has shed new light on the the historical Jesus. I re=
fer
> > you to the "Jesus Puzzle" by Earl Doherty, who argues very persuasively
> > that the Jesus character never existed as an historical person- that he
> > was only a mythical figure like Isis, Mithra, and Thor etc. Paul's
> > letters- the earliest writings on Christianity- make no mention of an
> > earthly Jesus. The first reference to
> > Jesus as an historical figure comes to us from Mark who wrote his Gospe=
l
> > about 70 AD- some 40 years after Jesus supposedly lived. So It's very
> > likely that billions of people have been worshiping a character in a bo=
ok.
> > It would also make Mark the biggest con man in the history of the world=
.
>
> > Vince
>
> There is research now showing that ALL MEN came from one MAN. =A0sound
> familiar?

One man who lived with one woman in a magical garden 6000 years ago?
Or one man among many people who happened to be our ancestor about a
quarter million years ago? My money is on the latter.

>=A0While the reseachers set out to "disprove" that all men are
> descendant from one man, the opposite was found to be the truth. =A0I bel=
ieve
> the show I watched on it was called "The Real Adam" or something like tha=
t,
> but it was on the SCIENCE channel, so automatically that should give it
> credence with you and other atheists. =A0While he wouldn't go as far as s=
aying
> it was the "Adam of the Bible", he did say that it could be. =A0"Who am I=
to
> know the mind of God"?

Wondering whether Adam & Eve really existed is like wondering if Paul
Bunyon and Babe the Big Blue Ox really existed.

- Bob T.
>
> --
> Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 15:19:45
From: Clave
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message
news:820a7bbb-f8f0-4c0d-b0a6-216335d2cbf0@r36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 27, 10:41 am, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net > wrote:

<... >

>> There is research now showing that ALL MEN came from one MAN. sound
>> familiar?
>
>One man who lived with one woman in a magical garden 6000 years ago?
>Or one man among many people who happened to be our ancestor about a
>quarter million years ago? My money is on the latter.

And, considering that mitochondrial DNA is transmitted *maternally*, it
would be an interesting thing to try to prove.

Jim




  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 10:41:10
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Vince" <vcuccia122@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:49561f00$0$28956$7836cce5@newsrazor.net...
>
> "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:or1e26xh8c.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
>> do anything they wanted to do.
>>
>> Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
>> quite high.
>>
>> God saw perfection destroyed. i think this has raised his tolerance
>> level.
>>
>> Jesus came along, like any good Jewish son he took over the family
>> business.
>>
>> Jesus inherited a morally rundown house. Jesus has not lived through what
>> God did, other than in the sense he is from God. Thus explaining his
>> desire for a better state, the inbred experience pulls him to it.
>>
>> Jesus tolerates a lot more than God does.
>>
>> The sadness God knows, he knows alone.
>>
>> -----
>> RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com
>>
>
> Recent scholarship has shed new light on the the historical Jesus. I refer
> you to the "Jesus Puzzle" by Earl Doherty, who argues very persuasively
> that the Jesus character never existed as an historical person- that he
> was only a mythical figure like Isis, Mithra, and Thor etc. Paul's
> letters- the earliest writings on Christianity- make no mention of an
> earthly Jesus. The first reference to
> Jesus as an historical figure comes to us from Mark who wrote his Gospel
> about 70 AD- some 40 years after Jesus supposedly lived. So It's very
> likely that billions of people have been worshiping a character in a book.
> It would also make Mark the biggest con man in the history of the world.
>
>
> Vince

There is research now showing that ALL MEN came from one MAN. sound
familiar? While the reseachers set out to "disprove" that all men are
descendant from one man, the opposite was found to be the truth. I believe
the show I watched on it was called "The Real Adam" or something like that,
but it was on the SCIENCE channel, so automatically that should give it
credence with you and other atheists. While he wouldn't go as far as saying
it was the "Adam of the Bible", he did say that it could be. "Who am I to
know the mind of God"?

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 05:58:56
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote in message
news:aFu5l.16163$H11.1364@newsfe09.iad...
>
> "Vince" <vcuccia122@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:49561f00$0$28956$7836cce5@newsrazor.net...
>>
>> "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:or1e26xh8c.ln2@recgroups.com...
>>> God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
>>> do anything they wanted to do.
>>>
>>> Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
>>> quite high.
>>>
>>> God saw perfection destroyed. i think this has raised his tolerance
>>> level.
>>>
>>> Jesus came along, like any good Jewish son he took over the family
>>> business.
>>>
>>> Jesus inherited a morally rundown house. Jesus has not lived through
>>> what
>>> God did, other than in the sense he is from God. Thus explaining his
>>> desire for a better state, the inbred experience pulls him to it.
>>>
>>> Jesus tolerates a lot more than God does.
>>>
>>> The sadness God knows, he knows alone.
>>>
>>> -----
>>> RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com
>>>
>>
>> Recent scholarship has shed new light on the the historical Jesus. I
>> refer you to the "Jesus Puzzle" by Earl Doherty, who argues very
>> persuasively that the Jesus character never existed as an historical
>> person- that he was only a mythical figure like Isis, Mithra, and Thor
>> etc. Paul's letters- the earliest writings on Christianity- make no
>> mention of an earthly Jesus. The first reference to
>> Jesus as an historical figure comes to us from Mark who wrote his Gospel
>> about 70 AD- some 40 years after Jesus supposedly lived. So It's very
>> likely that billions of people have been worshiping a character in a
>> book. It would also make Mark the biggest con man in the history of the
>> world.
>>
>>
>> Vince
>
> There is research now showing that ALL MEN came from one MAN. sound
> familiar? While the reseachers set out to "disprove" that all men are
> descendant from one man, the opposite was found to be the truth. I
> believe the show I watched on it was called "The Real Adam" or something
> like that, but it was on the SCIENCE channel, so automatically that should
> give it credence with you and other atheists. While he wouldn't go as far
> as saying it was the "Adam of the Bible", he did say that it could be.
> "Who am I to know the mind of God"?

Rick, that shows there was one mutation from the previous hominid. Millions
of years ago.... and the males were still cross-breeding with other hominid
forms longer than females were.

Show me in Genesis where god made Cro-Magnon man, decided it wasn't good
enough, made Neandertal man, decided IT wasn't good enough, left the
skeletons all over the planet, then made Adam and Eve.






    
Date: 29 Dec 2008 20:47:14
From: mo_charles
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
> > There is research now showing that ALL MEN came from one MAN. sound
> > familiar? While the reseachers set out to "disprove" that all men are
> > descendant from one man, the opposite was found to be the truth. I
> > believe the show I watched on it was called "The Real Adam" or something
> > like that, but it was on the SCIENCE channel, so automatically that should
> > give it credence with you and other atheists. While he wouldn't go as far
> > as saying it was the "Adam of the Bible", he did say that it could be.
> > "Who am I to know the mind of God"?
>
> Rick, that shows there was one mutation from the previous hominid. Millions
> of years ago.... and the males were still cross-breeding with other hominid
> forms longer than females were.
>
> Show me in Genesis where god made Cro-Magnon man, decided it wasn't good
> enough, made Neandertal man, decided IT wasn't good enough, left the
> skeletons all over the planet, then made Adam and Eve.

G_d forgot the chapter where he tossed a bunch of atoms into some water
and they glued themselves together as a leg with some gills and an eye.
ah, sweet certainty through scientific observation!

mo_charles

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Date: 30 Dec 2008 06:09:17
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"mo_charles" <harrybalzer@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:inlo26xd5j.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > There is research now showing that ALL MEN came from one MAN. sound
>> > familiar? While the reseachers set out to "disprove" that all men are
>> > descendant from one man, the opposite was found to be the truth. I
>> > believe the show I watched on it was called "The Real Adam" or
>> > something
>> > like that, but it was on the SCIENCE channel, so automatically that
>> > should
>> > give it credence with you and other atheists. While he wouldn't go as
>> > far
>> > as saying it was the "Adam of the Bible", he did say that it could be.
>> > "Who am I to know the mind of God"?
>>
>> Rick, that shows there was one mutation from the previous hominid.
>> Millions
>> of years ago.... and the males were still cross-breeding with other
>> hominid
>> forms longer than females were.
>>
>> Show me in Genesis where god made Cro-Magnon man, decided it wasn't good
>> enough, made Neandertal man, decided IT wasn't good enough, left the
>> skeletons all over the planet, then made Adam and Eve.
>
> G_d forgot the chapter where he tossed a bunch of atoms into some water
> and they glued themselves together as a leg with some gills and an eye.
> ah, sweet certainty through scientific observation!
>
Not certainty, just a high degree of probability, based on the current
evidence.






   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:45:49
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27 2008 1:41 PM, DaVoice wrote:

> "Vince" <vcuccia122@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:49561f00$0$28956$7836cce5@newsrazor.net...
> >
> > "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:or1e26xh8c.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
> >> do anything they wanted to do.
> >>
> >> Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
> >> quite high.
> >>
> >> God saw perfection destroyed. i think this has raised his tolerance
> >> level.
> >>
> >> Jesus came along, like any good Jewish son he took over the family
> >> business.
> >>
> >> Jesus inherited a morally rundown house. Jesus has not lived through what
> >> God did, other than in the sense he is from God. Thus explaining his
> >> desire for a better state, the inbred experience pulls him to it.
> >>
> >> Jesus tolerates a lot more than God does.
> >>
> >> The sadness God knows, he knows alone.
> >>
> Recent scholarship has shed new light on the the historical Jesus. I refer
> > you to the "Jesus Puzzle" by Earl Doherty, who argues very persuasively
> > that the Jesus character never existed as an historical person- that he
> > was only a mythical figure like Isis, Mithra, and Thor etc. Paul's
> > letters- the earliest writings on Christianity- make no mention of an
> > earthly Jesus. The first reference to
> > Jesus as an historical figure comes to us from Mark who wrote his Gospel
> > about 70 AD- some 40 years after Jesus supposedly lived. So It's very
> > likely that billions of people have been worshiping a character in a book.
> > It would also make Mark the biggest con man in the history of the world.
> >
> >
> > Vince
>
> There is research now showing that ALL MEN came from one MAN. sound
> familiar? While the reseachers set out to "disprove" that all men are
> descendant from one man, the opposite was found to be the truth. I believe
> the show I watched on it was called "The Real Adam" or something like that,
> but it was on the SCIENCE channel, so automatically that should give it
> credence with you and other atheists. While he wouldn't go as far as saying
> it was the "Adam of the Bible", he did say that it could be. "Who am I to
> know the mind of God"?
>
> --

No, there's research suggesting that all men came from one woman.

In the Adam and Eve story the first woman is a clone of the first man,
she's not the mother of all men.

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Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:44:05
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27 2008 1:41 PM, DaVoice wrote:

> "Vince" <vcuccia122@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:49561f00$0$28956$7836cce5@newsrazor.net...
> >
> > "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:or1e26xh8c.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
> >> do anything they wanted to do.
> >>
> >> Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
> >> quite high.
> >>
> >> God saw perfection destroyed. i think this has raised his tolerance
> >> level.
> >>
> >> Jesus came along, like any good Jewish son he took over the family
> >> business.
> >>
> >> Jesus inherited a morally rundown house. Jesus has not lived through what
> >> God did, other than in the sense he is from God. Thus explaining his
> >> desire for a better state, the inbred experience pulls him to it.
> >>
> >> Jesus tolerates a lot more than God does.
> >>
> >> The sadness God knows, he knows alone.
> >>
> Recent scholarship has shed new light on the the historical Jesus. I refer
> > you to the "Jesus Puzzle" by Earl Doherty, who argues very persuasively
> > that the Jesus character never existed as an historical person- that he
> > was only a mythical figure like Isis, Mithra, and Thor etc. Paul's
> > letters- the earliest writings on Christianity- make no mention of an
> > earthly Jesus. The first reference to
> > Jesus as an historical figure comes to us from Mark who wrote his Gospel
> > about 70 AD- some 40 years after Jesus supposedly lived. So It's very
> > likely that billions of people have been worshiping a character in a book.
> > It would also make Mark the biggest con man in the history of the world.
> >
> >
> > Vince
>
> There is research now showing that ALL MEN came from one MAN. sound
> familiar? While the reseachers set out to "disprove" that all men are
> descendant from one man, the opposite was found to be the truth. I believe
> the show I watched on it was called "The Real Adam" or something like that,
> but it was on the SCIENCE channel, so automatically that should give it
> credence with you and other atheists. While he wouldn't go as far as saying
> it was the "Adam of the Bible", he did say that it could be. "Who am I to
> know the mind of God"?
>

There's no such research.

There is research that tracks historical DNA and is suggestive that all
men come from one woman. But that's actually somewhat contrary to the
Adam and Eve story which says that the original woman is a clone of a man.

I don't know what the Science channel is. I know the Discovery Channel
and the History Channel often run religious nonsense. They recently ran a
story about the origins of the Star of Bethlehem.

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Date: 27 Dec 2008 08:46:35
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Vince" <vcuccia122@comcast.net > wrote in message
news:49561f00$0$28956$7836cce5@newsrazor.net...
>
> "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:or1e26xh8c.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
>> do anything they wanted to do.
>>
>> Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
>> quite high.
>>
>> God saw perfection destroyed. i think this has raised his tolerance
>> level.
>>
>> Jesus came along, like any good Jewish son he took over the family
>> business.
>>
>> Jesus inherited a morally rundown house. Jesus has not lived through what
>> God did, other than in the sense he is from God. Thus explaining his
>> desire for a better state, the inbred experience pulls him to it.
>>
>> Jesus tolerates a lot more than God does.
>>
>> The sadness God knows, he knows alone.
>>
>> -----
>> RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com
>>
>
> Recent scholarship has shed new light on the the historical Jesus. I refer
> you to the "Jesus Puzzle" by Earl Doherty, who argues very persuasively
> that the Jesus character never existed as an historical person- that he
> was only a mythical figure like Isis, Mithra, and Thor etc. Paul's
> letters- the earliest writings on Christianity- make no mention of an
> earthly Jesus. The first reference to
> Jesus as an historical figure comes to us from Mark who wrote his Gospel
> about 70 AD- some 40 years after Jesus supposedly lived. So It's very
> likely that billions of people have been worshiping a character in a book.
> It would also make Mark the biggest con man in the history of the world.
>
>
> Vince

"It would also make Mark the biggest con man in the history of the world."

Goollleeee Mr. Vince. Even bigger than ol' lard ass Al Gore and all the
global warming idiots who checked their brains at the door and stuck their
heads in a kool aid bucket? Did he live in a mansion, travel in a convoy of
gas-guzzling SUVs and fly around in a private jet telling other people to
eat less, live colder and ride bicycles? Did he make more than
$96,000,000.00 and get a politically correct peace prize? Huh? Did he Mr.
Vince?

Irish Mike




   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 08:17:24
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27 2008 8:46 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "It would also make Mark the biggest con man in the history of the world."
>
> Goollleeee Mr. Vince. Even bigger than ol' lard ass Al Gore and all the
> global warming idiots

Well, duh, yes.

> who checked their brains at the door and stuck their
> heads in a kool aid bucket?

You do know that the kool aid bucket came from Jim Jones, a Christian
preacher who passed out the kook aid to Christian true believers?

The wealthy non-beleiver con artists like to pass out champagne, not kool
aid.

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Date: 27 Dec 2008 10:37:04
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"garycarson" <garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu > wrote in message
news:k11i26xnsm.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 27 2008 8:46 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> "It would also make Mark the biggest con man in the history of the
>> world."
>>
>> Goollleeee Mr. Vince. Even bigger than ol' lard ass Al Gore and all the
>> global warming idiots
>
> Well, duh, yes.
>
>> who checked their brains at the door and stuck their
>> heads in a kool aid bucket?
>
> You do know that the kool aid bucket came from Jim Jones, a Christian
> preacher who passed out the kook aid to Christian true believers?

BZZZT...Gary, that was the problem with Jonestown, and Jim Jones in general.
As I've stated MANY times in this thread. Those people weren't "Christian
true believers" they were JONES TRUE BELIEVERS. They followed a MAN not
their GOD. Man will always let you down, God never will. True Christian
believers don't commit suicide, and most don't commit mass murder.

ORGANIZED RELIGION IS NOT CHRISTIANITY. Christianity is a relatitionship
between a person and God through Jesus and the belief in Jesus' sacrifice on
the cross. In fact, organized religion is usually where the "nutbags" come
from.


--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles





    
Date: 27 Dec 2008 09:35:53
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"garycarson" <garycarson@alumni.northwestern.edu > wrote in message
news:k11i26xnsm.ln2@recgroups.com...

> the kook aid
>

I know the "L" key is next to the "K" key, but was this a freudian typo?




 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 00:29:14
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 20:06:48 -0800, "La Cosa Nostradamus"
<a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
>do anything they wanted to do.
>
>Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
>quite high.

But if God created us, then either we're perfect beings or God messed
up.


>God saw perfection destroyed. i think this has raised his tolerance level.
>
>Jesus came along, like any good Jewish son he took over the family
>business.
>
>Jesus inherited a morally rundown house. Jesus has not lived through what
>God did, other than in the sense he is from God. Thus explaining his
>desire for a better state, the inbred experience pulls him to it.
>
>Jesus tolerates a lot more than God does.

Didn't you just say that God's tolerance level was raised? But
Jesus' is higher still? If God was perfect from the start, how could
he or Jesus improve on his original tolerance level? Or is more
tolerance bad? If so, then God is no longer perfect, and Jesus less
so.

>The sadness God knows, he knows alone.

Did He tell you that?


 
Date: 26 Dec 2008 16:12:23
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
Wasnt Jesus just God's best sock puppet ??

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Date: 26 Dec 2008 09:28:03
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
In article <or1e26xh8c.ln2@recgroups.com >,
La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
>God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
>do anything they wanted to do.

But didn't make them smart enough not to fuck things up? That
seems short-sighted.

>Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
>quite high.

Mathematically speaking, the likelihood of your deity existing
is just a hair above zero.

-Patti
--
Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


  
Date: 29 Dec 2008 18:47:41
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 6:33=A0pm, OrangeSFO <intangible...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> On Dec 26, 9:17=A0pm, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Do I wish I set a better
> > "Christian" example, such as going to Church every week, not smoking, n=
ot
> > cussing...
>
> How does not smoking make one a better Christian?
>

Your body is given to you by God for caretaking. If you smoke, ride
motercycles too fast, or eat fatty pork you aren't caring for the body
that belongs to God. A good Christian respects God's property.

Unprotected sex, however, is a good thing. It causes the spread of
sexually transmitted disease which is just God's way of killing off
the queers. So that particular risky behavior is just doing God's
work. All the other risky behaviors is the devils work.




  
Date: 28 Dec 2008 12:42:09
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 5:26=A0pm, "Paul Popinjay"

> Well there must be SOME way you people get the word out. =A0During OUR ho=
liday
> season, look at how many of you fucks came out of the woodwork to knock G=
od
> and Christianity



YOU PEOPLE are just afraid of a little philosophical debate so you
characterize it as "attack"



  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:13:53
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 26, 7:39=A0am, "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net >
wrote:



> If there were more
> decent Christians in the world, it would be a MUCH better place.


Well that's the problem now isn't it? The indecent Christians seem to
grab most of the headlines.



  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:58:47
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 12:44=A0pm, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net > wrote:



> Atheists want to teach Evolution Science,
> and do away with Creation Science, whereas most Christians can live with
> both being taught.



There is no such thing as creation SCIENCE.

There is not a single artifact or piece of measurable evidence that
would qualify creationism as a science and suggesting otherwise is
nothing but a ploy to "Christianize" public education.

The "intelligent design" folks have no interest in SCIENCE. They're
interested in proselytizing.



  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:42:16
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 12:20=A0am, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net > wrote:



You talk as if atheists are some kind of organized religion
themselves.

There are no meetings and no handbook.

Christians think that because it's THEIR mission to badger people into
Christianity, that it must be atheists' mission to convert believers
to non-believing.

It's just not so. But they are happy to debate you if you're up for
it.



   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:26:08
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:17270cb7-a5a2-472c-a0cf-

> You talk as if atheists are some kind of organized religion
> themselves.

> There are no meetings and no handbook.


Well there must be SOME way you people get the word out. During OUR holiday
season, look at how many of you fucks came out of the woodwork to knock God
and Christianity on this newsgroup, on key! You couldn't just shut up and
lurk until New Years or something. Y'intolerant miserable fuckers!




  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:35:51
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 12:00=A0am, "Irish Reich" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:


> And when she says that all religions should be ridiculed at every
> opportunity, and includes that in every post she makes - it sounds like h=
ate
> to me.


Mike would never suggest all religions should be ridiculed...

Just SOME of them. And he's more than happy to tell you which ones.



  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:33:16
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 26, 9:17=A0pm, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net > wrote:

> Do I wish I set a better
> "Christian" example, such as going to Church every week, not smoking, not
> cussing...



How does not smoking make one a better Christian?

And I sincerely doubt frequency of church attendance has any bearing
on the quality of your Christianity...

And cussing??

Are these really the criteria for everlasting life in Heaven?

What a goofball religion.





   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 23:53:34
From: Clave
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:898d0719-d302-429d-b4cc-c1d4002c547d@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...

<... >

> How does not smoking make one a better Christian?

The thing is that you aren't supposed to sin *visibly*. Like gambling in a
poker room or something.

Jim




   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 23:41:25
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:898d0719-d302-429d-b4cc-c1d4002c547d@l33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 26, 9:17 pm, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net > wrote:

> Do I wish I set a better
> "Christian" example, such as going to Church every week, not smoking, not
> cussing...



>How does not smoking make one a better Christian?

I don't believe it has any bearing on Christianity, but in "organized
religion" it is frowned upon

>And I sincerely doubt frequency of church attendance has any bearing
>on the quality of your Christianity...

Again, I don't believe it has any bearing on my Christianity, but there are
MANY "organized religions" that do.

>And cussing??

Same as the above

>Are these really the criteria for everlasting life in Heaven?

Not in my opinion, but AGAIN, "Organized Religions" think that cussing,
drinking, not attending Church regualarly and smoking are "immoral and
'non-christian'" I think that makes "organized religions" judgemental, and
thus I'm not a member of an "organized" Church. I don't believe you must be
a "member" of any Church to be a Christian or get into Heaven.

>What a goofball religion.

Yes, RELIGION is goofy, Christianity as I believe it is a RELATIONSHIP
between a person and their God, not whether or not they cuss, smoke, or
attend Church regularly. I thought I'd made that clear.

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles






   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 21:25:34
From: RazzO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
To Believers your body is the temple of the Lord. If you smoke you in
effect trying to kill it. Something like that, Orange.



On Dec 27 2008 4:33 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:

> How does not smoking make one a better Christian?
>



RazzO
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Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:26:57
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 26, 3:35=A0am, "Irish Reich" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:


> You just come across as a consistently unhappy, envious and
> resentful person. =A0



Classic case of projection.



  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 14:13:57
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 12:44=A0pm, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net > wrote:
>
Part Two...

> You wrote:
>
> If I point out that Noah's Flood
> could not possibly have happened and that human beings obviously
> evolved gradually over millions of years, does that "demean" people
> who take Genesis literally?
>
> I replied:
> Absolutley not. =A0And here's why. =A0I don't know what a "DAY" means to =
God.
> My son and I were just having that conversation. =A0in Genesis it talks a=
bout
> on the 1st day God created, etc. =A0A day to God could be a day like ours=
, a
> decade, a century, a millenium, who knows? =A0God does. =A0Therefore I do=
n't
> believe that ADAPTATION and Creationism are mutually exclusive. =A0As far=
as
> the flood itself, if it didn't happen, how do you explain things like "Th=
e
> Salton Sea" or "Great Salt Lake", or the Grand Canyon?

Dude, the Salton Sea was created by a flood in 1905! =A0There are rivers
that feed the Great Salt Lake, and mountains all around so the water
can't find its way to an oean (this is not unrelated to its
saltiness). The Grand Canyon was carved over millions of yeas by the
Colorado River. As for evolution, it is a scientific fact. If there
is a God who created us all, evolution is the tool He used.

> At some point in time (maybe a millions of years ago) the Earth suffered =
a massive flood
> (according to a majority of Scientists) just like the Ice Age and other
> cataclysmic events. =A0Notice, the Earth wasn't destroyed, just what was =
on it.

The Earth never suffered a world-wide flood at any time. In any case,
we are talking about a very specific flood here: Noah's Flood is
supposed to have covered the entire world and killed every human and
almost everything else, except for what was on the Ark. It was God's
punishment for human depravity, and it supposedly occurred in
historical times. It is, quite obviously, a myth. Trying to say
"there was a huge flood millions of years ago before humans existed
and that's what the Bible was talking about" is just nonsense.
>
> You wrote:
>
> I think that believing in a literal Genesis is just plain dumb, and
> that the mental gyrations a person must go through to believe that
> Noah's Flood actually happened are harmful to both individuals and
> society.
>
> I say:
> How is it HARMFUL? =A0What is the harm to society? =A0How are you persona=
lly
> harmed by someones belief in "Noah's Flood"? =A0This is the kind of demea=
ning
> and degrading of people that I spoke of.

There are people associated with the neocons who honestly believe that
the Rapture is coming and that modern day America has a role foretold
by the Bible. These people believe that Israel will be the trigger
point for Armageddon, and they believe that American foreign policy
should be based on these prophecies. That's frightening. I have no
objection to people believing in God and Jesus, but people who believe
in prophecy and magic should not be allowed near the halls of power.

>
> You espoused:
> I believe that millions of people spend their lives
> preparing for a mythical afterlife that ain't never going to happen.
> I believe that it would be better if people based their lives on
> reality, not mythology.
>
> I reply:
> Even if I'm wrong (and I believe with my entire being that I'm NOT) what
> possible harm can it do to live the life that Christ and his followers th=
at
> wrote what we know as "the Bible" ? =A0Christ taught us that ALL people s=
hould
> be treated equally, that is why he sat down with whores, tax collectors,
> lepers, and all other manner of outcasts, fed them, and told them that th=
ey
> have a life waiting for them that will be better than the one they have n=
ow.
>
> What do you have to lose by living a MORAL, LOVING life, where the major =
rule is
> LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF? =A0How can that be a bad thing?

Ghandi once said, "I love your Christ, I do not like your Christians.
They are so unlike your Christ."

>
> >Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles
> > Who will always believe in God and that Jesus is the Messiah promised b=
y
> > God
> > in the Old Testament and prophecied about in the writings and teachings=
of
> > the Jewish Laws and Traditions.
>
> You sniped:
> That's touching, but a bit sad, like a twelve-year-old who still
> believes in Santa Claus.
>
> - Bob T.
>
> Bob, maybe I am naive, maybe I am a 12 year old that believes in Santa.
> Yeah, right.

That was sniping, I apologize.
>
> You asked me what I meant by people demeaning what Christians believe and
> then turn around and do EXACTLY that. =A0If you think you should pity me,=
then
> go ahead, I can't stop you. =A0However, I'm the one that has pity and pra=
ys
> for =A0people who leave no place in their life for God or a Higher Power,=
and
> believe that "what you see is what you get", cuz if this is all there is,
> we're all just going through the motions for nothing because in your beli=
ef
> system, we're just warming up to be worm food. =A0I choose not to believe=
that.

I believe that my life is valuable and precious _because_ it is
limited in time. I don't understand why you folks who are going to
live for all eternity get so worked up over the little things. After
all, you're still going to be up in Heaven singing His praises long
after the sun burns up and the Earth is a cold dark rock, why do you
care what we atheists think?
>
> In any case, have a happy New Year, and God Bless!

Happy New Year, and be good for the sake of goodness itself.

- Bob T.
>
> --
> Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles



   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 21:12:34
From: RazzO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
I once met a guy who believed that we evolved from dust cast off a meteor
passing by Earth millions of years ago.


On Dec 27 2008 2:13 PM, Bob T. wrote:

> Dude, the Salton Sea was created by a flood in 1905!  There are rivers
> that feed the Great Salt Lake, and mountains all around so the water
> can't find its way to an oean (this is not unrelated to its
> saltiness). The Grand Canyon was carved over millions of yeas by the
> Colorado River. As for evolution, it is a scientific fact. If there
> is a God who created us all, evolution is the tool He used.


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Date: 27 Dec 2008 13:39:37
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 12:44=A0pm, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net > wrote:
> "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
>
> news:64988f6c-ba66-4fe3-828a-ca99905603c7@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 26, 9:17 pm, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I said:
>
> > Why would someone who professes to be an Atheist WANT to try to convinc=
e
> > others who believe in a higher power that they're wrong? What do they h=
ave
> > to gain or lose by demeaning the belief system of others?
>
> You replied:
> Because people who believe in a higher power are constantly
> interfering in our lives. =A0 They want to force our children to learn
> Creationism in school. =A0They want to stop us from playing online
> poker. =A0They hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings.
>
> I reply:
> I believe the last polls taken in the U.S. show that 91% of our citizenry
> believes in (a) God(s) or higher power, so OF COURSE they're going to
> interfere in all of our lives, but Atheists want to teach Evolution Scien=
ce,
> and do away with Creation Science, whereas most Christians can live with
> both being taught.

The problem is that there is no such thing as "Creation Science".
Creationism is purely a religious belief with no scientific basis
whatsoever, it has no place in our schools. It's like giving alchemy
equal time with chemistry - it doesn't matter how many people believe
in alchemy, its still not science.

> =A0Since 91% of the legislature (if you extrapolate out from the regular =
citizenry) believes in (a)God(s) or
> Higher Power, then they voted to kill online poker, that's not only the =
RIGHTARDS, but the LEFTARDS
> as well.
>
> As far as flying planes into buildings, if that was thrown in to bolster
> your point about "nutcase religious people" you made that point. =A0Yes, =
those
> were followers of a FALSE PROPHET, just as those in Jonestown who drink
> Gallon after gallon of poisoned Kool-Aid, or Jewish Settlers in Palestini=
an
> land that blew everyone away that came near their (now illegal) settlemen=
ts,
> and the MANSON FAMILY. =A0 You're talking about extremists.

All prophets are false prophets because there is no such thing as
prophecy. It is not possible to magically foretell the future.
>
<snip for brevity >
>
> Rick Warren was LOVED by even many Atheists and many Gay and Lesbian
> organizations until he came out FOR Prop 8 in California. =A0He explained=
why
> he did so on (IIRC) 60 Minutes last week. =A0His personal belief is that =
a
> marriage is between one man and one woman, and now he's being picketed,
> smeared in the press and all over the internet because of ONE thing that =
he
> did that upset a very vocal minority in this Country who were all "his bi=
g
> allies and friends".

The exact same thing would have happened if he had publicly denounced
interracial marriage as being offensive to God. Bigots should be
ashamed of themselves, even if they are otherwise nice people.
>
<snip >
>
> My whole point in this (now really rambling) response is simple. =A0"One =
bad
> apple can spoil the whole bunch" or "painting with a wide brush" or "anyo=
ne
> who believes in God is a moron" or the converse, "Anyone who =A0doesn't
> believe in (a)God(s) is a moron" are all simple minded.

I don't think it's moronic to believe in God, I just think it's
moronic to belive that Genesis is literally true.
>
<snip >
> You wrote:
>
> I've never seen any atheists go door to door telling people about the
> benefits of atheism, have you?
>
> My reply:
> No, however I have to have my beliefs ridiculed daily in the media, in th=
e
> courts, and stripped away from my society because there are people like y=
ou
> that can't "just let it go" and MUST stop we "evil" Christians from being
> public about our faith.

Nobody is trying to stop Christians from being public in their faith.
We atheists do, however, think it's inappropriate for you to put up
placards bearing quotations from your religious books in government
buildings that we all share.

> I have seen a lot of atheists post their opinions on Usenet forums like t=
his
> one. Is that the sort of
> defamation you are referring to?
>
> My reply:
>
> No, I'm talking about the "Michael Newdow's" and Madeline Murry O'Hare's =
of
> the world who turn "Atheism" into a religion...pausing while I get a new =
irony meter...

No atheist, however impassioned, turns atheism into a religion.
Newdow just wants the schools to stop making his child say "under God"
in the classroom.

I'll reply to the rest in a separate post, this is getting long.

- Bob T.


   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:08:48
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28, 4:42=A0pm, bub <b...@plotuss.com > wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:05:16 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
>
> <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:
> >Do you think the Bill of Rights only applies to Congress passing laws?
>
> uh no, but "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
> religion" is about as clear as it can be. and i have yet to see an
> example of congress making a law establishing a religion

So, you think that a state legislature would be allowed to, say, ban
certain newspapers in that state? Or does the Bill of Rights somehow
apply to other things besides Congress making laws?
>
> >> >First Commandment: I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the
> >> >land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other god=
s
> >> >before Me.
> >> >I'm sure that's a comfort for Hindus, Buddhists and atheists who have
> >> >a legal dispute with a Christian church.

> >You've got it, bub. =A0Judge Roy Moore put up a two-ton monument to the
> >Ten Commandments in his Alabama courtroom in order to promote the
> >Jewish religion. =A0There's no reason to associate him with Christian
> >fundamentalism at all.
>
> uhh bob, the first commandment you quoted above is to the jewish
> people. no christians in sight. and in the next sentence you bring up
> other religions and a dispute with a christian church.
> either the commandments were given to the jewish people orrrrrrr they
> just used them until the christians came along. what the moore guy did
> is not relevant to what you have said.

What Judge Roy Moore did is _exactly_ what I am talking about. He, a
fundamentalist Christian, posted a religious document, the Ten
Commandments, in a state courthouse to establish his religious faith
in a place of government. Are you not aware that the Ten Commandments
are an important part of many Christians' faith?

Did you read the Wikipedia article I linked to? Did you notice that
the federal judge agreed with me and banned the Ten Commandments
monument? I'm not just making this stuff up, bub.

- Bob T.
>
> please advise



    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 20:02:44
From: bub
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:08:48 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
<bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote:


>So, you think that a state legislature would be allowed to, say, ban
>certain newspapers in that state?
local or state governments do now. for example, if they deem it
obscene

>Or does the Bill of Rights somehow
>apply to other things besides Congress making laws?
of course, but
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press..."

you're original argument was "Yes, our government frequently violates
its own constitution when it comes to establishing a religion."
as of yet, you haven't shown an example of our government violating
its own constitution by making a law to establish a religion
still waiting

> Are you not aware that the Ten Commandments
>are an important part of many Christians' faith?
also in islam but originated in judaism.


>the federal judge agreed with me and banned the Ten Commandments
>monument?
he agreed with you? well, that's a feather in his cap,huh?
i bet his chest is swelling with pride knowing that he agrees with
you.

please advise



     
Date: 29 Dec 2008 04:38:57
From: Travel
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Bub" wrote:

"as far as the constitution, it say "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion"
.......................................................................


This is my standard answer with regard to "church and state" issues.
It's the point from which the left wing can't hide, but can only try to
pathetically dance around.

The purpose is to restrict the government from interferring in freedom
of religion. Such as: the government establishing a national religion
like the Church of England.

The constitution actually provides protection for people observing
their religion, and does give religion attack groups the right to
inhibit relgion because they claim to be offended by religion.

The constitution protects the freedom of religion, "get it". If you
dont like religion in America, you're shit out of luck.

Th constitution restricts the government from interferring in religion,
so much more: left wing attack groups.

The left wing attempts to attack the freedom of religion and they're
actually in violation of the constitution when they sue to prohibit
nativity scenes on public grounds, etc.

Local case by case issues of this nature are actually up to the the
local governments, and don't have anything to do with constitutional
separation of church and state.

It seems the best argument to bring before the courts for preserving a
nativity scene tradition, for example, is on the grounds of freedom of
speech. That's the argument (freedon of speech) that the left wing
abuses over and over again before left wing activist courts. Christians
should use "freedom of speech" in it's legitimate, intended purpose for
a change. Christians should also assert being offended by those
claiming to be offended by their religious beliefs.

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 03:00:36
From: bub
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:39:37 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
<bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote:

>We atheists do, however, think it's inappropriate for you to put up
>placards bearing quotations from your religious books in government
>buildings that we all share.

http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm

http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/arg8.htm

http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html



   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 18:24:12
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:39:37 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
<bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote:

>> I reply:
>> I believe the last polls taken in the U.S. show that 91% of our citizenry
>> believes in (a) God(s) or higher power, so OF COURSE they're going to
>> interfere in all of our lives, but Atheists want to teach Evolution Science,
>> and do away with Creation Science, whereas most Christians can live with
>> both being taught.
>
>The problem is that there is no such thing as "Creation Science".
>Creationism is purely a religious belief with no scientific basis
>whatsoever, it has no place in our schools.

Minor but important correction. It has no place in our *science
classes*.


    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 08:11:11
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
In article <enodl4lfjjm9slupde9klv9kc0mmksn1ln@4ax.com >,
Pepe Papon <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid > wrote:

>Minor but important correction. It has no place in our *science
>classes*.

I completely agree.

I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. These classes would teach
kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.

I think there would be a lot less religious bigotry if people
at least understood what others believed.

-Patti
--
Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


     
Date: 30 Dec 2008 11:28:38
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Patti Beadles"

>>Minor but important correction. It has no place in our *science
>>classes*.
>
> I completely agree.
>
> I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
> of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
> fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. These classes would teach
> kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
> bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.
>
> I think there would be a lot less religious bigotry if people
> at least understood what others believed.

I think that "religions" might be a useful subject area for high school
kids, but maybe as an elective. It would be hard to explain "what people
believe" since not many of us know exactly what we believe at the present
moment and it keeps changing all the time. However, the major "teachings"
of various major religions could be presented. Maybe. I am a big believer
in lots of information being presented. Even if the "young minds" don't
seem to get it ... or don't care to get it.




     
Date: 28 Dec 2008 23:35:23
From: Clave
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gj7cav$llg$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In article <enodl4lfjjm9slupde9klv9kc0mmksn1ln@4ax.com>,
> Pepe Papon <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Minor but important correction. It has no place in our *science
>>classes*.
>
> I completely agree.
>
> I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
> of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
> fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. These classes would teach
> kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
> bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.

Won't ever happen in public schools.

No religionist of any stripe would be happy with their belief system being
treated as an equal among the rest (inevitable and unending "They're not
giving *my* religion the treatment it deserves"), and I doubt any public
school system would open themselves up to that kind of perpetual
controversy.

$.02,
Jim




     
Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:14:50
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gj7cav$llg$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In article <enodl4lfjjm9slupde9klv9kc0mmksn1ln@4ax.com>,
> Pepe Papon <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Minor but important correction. It has no place in our *science
>>classes*.
>
> I completely agree.
>
> I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
> of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
> fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. These classes would teach
> kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
> bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.
>
> I think there would be a lot less religious bigotry if people
> at least understood what others believed.
>
> -Patti

I totally agree, and believe it or not, Ocean Springs High School has "World
Religion" classes , which teaches the beliefs of ALL of the major religions
of the world. I don't know if it is/was a mandatory class, but my daughter
took it as a Junior.

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




      
Date: 28 Dec 2008 22:29:48
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote in message
news:0EU5l.13612$fc3.13515@newsfe02.iad...
>
> "Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
> news:gj7cav$llg$1@blue.rahul.net...
>> In article <enodl4lfjjm9slupde9klv9kc0mmksn1ln@4ax.com>,
>> Pepe Papon <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Minor but important correction. It has no place in our *science
>>>classes*.
>>
>> I completely agree.
>>
>> I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
>> of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
>> fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. These classes would teach
>> kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
>> bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.
>>
>> I think there would be a lot less religious bigotry if people
>> at least understood what others believed.
>>
>> -Patti

Give me a break. Could Patti Beadles possibly be a bigger hypocrite? She
is the one that says 'all religions should be ridiculed at every opportunity
" and she includes this in every one of her posts. I agree with a lot of
the things Rick "the voice" says but we'll have to agree to disagree on this
one. He thinks Patti Beadles is a nice person because he was in an e-mail
group with her. I think she's an intolerant, ugly-as-amud-fence atheist
dyke who favors murdering unborn babies. We all choose our friends.

Irish Mike





       
Date: 29 Dec 2008 00:12:45
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:29:48 -0500, "Irish Mike"
<mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote:

>I think she's an intolerant, ugly-as-amud-fence atheist
>dyke who favors murdering unborn babies.

You can hardly buy better entertainment.


     
Date: 28 Dec 2008 08:51:25
From: mccard
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gj7cav$llg$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In article <enodl4lfjjm9slupde9klv9kc0mmksn1ln@4ax.com>,
> Pepe Papon <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Minor but important correction. It has no place in our *science
>>classes*.
>
> I completely agree.
>
> I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
> of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
> fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. These classes would teach
> kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
> bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.
>
Not a good idea, really. College is soon enough for that. Even at the
college level, specifically at Iowa State University a student I know was
berated by the professor because she did not know the tenets and prayers of
her "christian faith". Nothing she could do would convince this narrow
minded bastard that she was not raised a christian. Another bigot, another
dropout, don't need that kind of abuse for kids in grade school.



      
Date: 29 Dec 2008 18:20:17
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
In article <9oM5l.2096$Ou7.708@newsfe24.iad >,
mccard <no_won@no_won.none > wrote:

>Not a good idea, really. College is soon enough for that.

I completely disagree. First off, not everyone goes to college,
and the ones that don't are the ones who need it the worst. But
more importantly, a mandatory "survey of world religions" would
be an excellent tool to counter the intolerance that often comes
with early religious indoctrination.

Your example of the professor just backs that up. If he didn't
grok that not everyone in the US/world is christian, how much
worse do you think Joe Sixpack is?

-Patti
--
Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


      
Date: 28 Dec 2008 23:13:05
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 08:51:25 -0600, "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none >
wrote:

>
>"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
>news:gj7cav$llg$1@blue.rahul.net...
>> In article <enodl4lfjjm9slupde9klv9kc0mmksn1ln@4ax.com>,
>> Pepe Papon <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Minor but important correction. It has no place in our *science
>>>classes*.
>>
>> I completely agree.
>>
>> I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
>> of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
>> fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. These classes would teach
>> kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
>> bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.
>>
>Not a good idea, really. College is soon enough for that.

Not everyone goes to college.

> Even at the
>college level, specifically at Iowa State University a student I know was
>berated by the professor because she did not know the tenets and prayers of
>her "christian faith". Nothing she could do would convince this narrow
>minded bastard that she was not raised a christian. Another bigot, another
>dropout, don't need that kind of abuse for kids in grade school.

That's one bad professor at one university. There are bad teachers
in all subjects at all levels. It's nothing unique to the study of
comparative religion.


      
Date: 28 Dec 2008 13:54:44
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"mccard" <no_won@no_won.none > wrote in message
news:9oM5l.2096$Ou7.708@newsfe24.iad...
>
> "Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
> news:gj7cav$llg$1@blue.rahul.net...
>> In article <enodl4lfjjm9slupde9klv9kc0mmksn1ln@4ax.com>,
>> Pepe Papon <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>Minor but important correction. It has no place in our *science
>>>classes*.
>>
>> I completely agree.
>>
>> I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
>> of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
>> fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. These classes would teach
>> kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
>> bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.
>>
> Not a good idea, really. College is soon enough for that. Even at the
> college level, specifically at Iowa State University a student I know was
> berated by the professor because she did not know the tenets and prayers
> of her "christian faith". Nothing she could do would convince this narrow
> minded bastard that she was not raised a christian. Another bigot,
> another dropout, don't need that kind of abuse for kids in grade school.


Well not to worry bucko. Islam has developed a method of solving female
student problems. First, they forbid girls to attend school. Then, if they
catch them trying to attend school, they throw acid in their faces. Then,
just to be sure, they murder all the female teachers. Ah islam - the
religion of peace and tolerance.

Irish Mike




       
Date: 28 Dec 2008 13:36:26
From: mccard
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:SXP5l.15671$ZP4.14269@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
> news:9oM5l.2096$Ou7.708@newsfe24.iad...
>>
>> "Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
>> news:gj7cav$llg$1@blue.rahul.net...
>>> In article <enodl4lfjjm9slupde9klv9kc0mmksn1ln@4ax.com>,
>>> Pepe Papon <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Minor but important correction. It has no place in our *science
>>>>classes*.
>>>
>>> I completely agree.
>>>
>>> I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
>>> of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
>>> fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. These classes would teach
>>> kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
>>> bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.
>>>
>> Not a good idea, really. College is soon enough for that. Even at the
>> college level, specifically at Iowa State University a student I know was
>> berated by the professor because she did not know the tenets and prayers
>> of her "christian faith". Nothing she could do would convince this
>> narrow minded bastard that she was not raised a christian. Another
>> bigot, another dropout, don't need that kind of abuse for kids in grade
>> school.
>
>
> Well not to worry bucko. Islam has developed a method of solving female
> student problems. First, they forbid girls to attend school. Then, if
> they catch them trying to attend school, they throw acid in their faces.
> Then, just to be sure, they murder all the female teachers. Ah islam -
> the religion of peace and tolerance.
>
sheesh can't you control your bile, just a little. Who was doing a
pro-fundamentalist Islam rant that you needed to puke on?



        
Date: 28 Dec 2008 15:08:41
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"mccard" <no_won@no_won.none > wrote in message
news:nzQ5l.49408$496.18719@newsfe13.iad...
>
> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:SXP5l.15671$ZP4.14269@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
>> news:9oM5l.2096$Ou7.708@newsfe24.iad...
>>>
>>> "Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
>>> news:gj7cav$llg$1@blue.rahul.net...
>>>> In article <enodl4lfjjm9slupde9klv9kc0mmksn1ln@4ax.com>,
>>>> Pepe Papon <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Minor but important correction. It has no place in our *science
>>>>>classes*.
>>>>
>>>> I completely agree.
>>>>
>>>> I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
>>>> of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
>>>> fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. These classes would teach
>>>> kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
>>>> bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.
>>>>
>>> Not a good idea, really. College is soon enough for that. Even at the
>>> college level, specifically at Iowa State University a student I know
>>> was berated by the professor because she did not know the tenets and
>>> prayers of her "christian faith". Nothing she could do would convince
>>> this narrow minded bastard that she was not raised a christian. Another
>>> bigot, another dropout, don't need that kind of abuse for kids in grade
>>> school.
>>
>>
>> Well not to worry bucko. Islam has developed a method of solving female
>> student problems. First, they forbid girls to attend school. Then, if
>> they catch them trying to attend school, they throw acid in their faces.
>> Then, just to be sure, they murder all the female teachers. Ah islam -
>> the religion of peace and tolerance.
>>
> sheesh can't you control your bile, just a little. Who was doing a
> pro-fundamentalist Islam rant that you needed to puke on?

Look, I know you support islam and I understand that you believe their
actions are justified. And I'm sorry if my criticism of their actions
upsets you. But I just don't believe throwing acid in young girl's faces
for attending school is justified. I also don't think murdering female
teachers is justified. I know you do but we'll just have to agree to
disagree on these points.

Irish Mike




         
Date: 28 Dec 2008 14:14:07
From: mccard
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:PYQ5l.9914$D32.7644@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
> news:nzQ5l.49408$496.18719@newsfe13.iad...
>>
>> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> news:SXP5l.15671$ZP4.14269@nlpi067.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>
>>> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
>>> news:9oM5l.2096$Ou7.708@newsfe24.iad...
>>>>
>>>> "Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:gj7cav$llg$1@blue.rahul.net...
>>>>> In article <enodl4lfjjm9slupde9klv9kc0mmksn1ln@4ax.com>,
>>>>> Pepe Papon <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Minor but important correction. It has no place in our *science
>>>>>>classes*.
>>>>>
>>>>> I completely agree.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
>>>>> of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
>>>>> fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. These classes would teach
>>>>> kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
>>>>> bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.
>>>>>
>>>> Not a good idea, really. College is soon enough for that. Even at the
>>>> college level, specifically at Iowa State University a student I know
>>>> was berated by the professor because she did not know the tenets and
>>>> prayers of her "christian faith". Nothing she could do would convince
>>>> this narrow minded bastard that she was not raised a christian.
>>>> Another bigot, another dropout, don't need that kind of abuse for kids
>>>> in grade school.
>>>
>>>
>>> Well not to worry bucko. Islam has developed a method of solving female
>>> student problems. First, they forbid girls to attend school. Then, if
>>> they catch them trying to attend school, they throw acid in their faces.
>>> Then, just to be sure, they murder all the female teachers. Ah islam -
>>> the religion of peace and tolerance.
>>>
>> sheesh can't you control your bile, just a little. Who was doing a
>> pro-fundamentalist Islam rant that you needed to puke on?
>
> Look, I know you support islam and I understand that you believe their
> actions are justified. And I'm sorry if my criticism of their actions
> upsets you. But I just don't believe throwing acid in young girl's faces
> for attending school is justified. I also don't think murdering female
> teachers is justified. I know you do but we'll just have to agree to
> disagree on these points.
>
You are inhuman slime, I neither support Islamist terrorism nor tactics. I
also do not support bigot sludge like you and your scumball tactics.



  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 04:38:53
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 26, 9:17=A0pm, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net > wrote:


>
> Why would someone who professes to be an Atheist WANT to try to convince
> others who believe in a higher power that they're wrong? =A0What do they =
have
> to gain or lose by demeaning the belief system of others?

Because people who believe in a higher power are constantly
interfering in our lives. They want to force our children to learn
Creationism in school. They want to stop us from playing online
poker. They hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings.
>
> Christians are taught to "go therefore to the corners of the Earth and
> spread the Gospel (which translates to "good news") of Jesus Christ". =A0=
So
> when Christians "evangelize" they do it because it is what the "handbook"
> instructs them to do.

Is this supposed to be a desirable trait? People knocking on my door
telling me that if I don't believe in Noah's Ark, talking snakes and
the Garden of Eden I will be spending all eternity in Hell?
>
> I don't know of any "Atheist Handbook" that tells Atheists to GO out and
> demean or defame anyone's beliefs, and it really baffles me why they feel
> the need to do so.

I've never seen any atheists go door to door telling people about the
benefits of atheism, have you? I have seen a lot of atheists post
their opinions on Usenet forums like this one. Is that the sort of
defamation you are referring to? If I point out that Noah's Flood
could not possibly have happened and that human beings obviously
evolved gradually over millions of years, does that "demean" people
who take Genesis literally?

I think that believing in a literal Genesis is just plain dumb, and
that the mental gyrations a person must go through to believe that
Noah's Flood actually happened are harmful to both individuals and
society. I believe that millions of people spend their lives
preparing for a mythical afterlife that ain't never going to happen.
I believe that it would be better if people based their lives on
reality, not mythology.

> --
> Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles

> Who will always believe in God and that Jesus is the Messiah promised by =
God
> in the Old Testament and prophecied about in the writings and teachings o=
f
> the Jewish Laws and Traditions.

That's touching, but a bit sad, like a twelve-year-old who still
believes in Santa Claus.

- Bob T.



   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 15:05:16
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28, 2:28=A0pm, bub <b...@plotuss.com > wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:05:37 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
>
> <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:
> >On Dec 28, 8:37=A0am, bub <b...@plotuss.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:16:34 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
>
> >> <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:
> >> >Yes, our government frequently violates its own constitution when it
> >> >comes to establishing a religion. =A0Thanks for the examples, bub (th=
e
> >> >DOI doesn't count - it predates our nation's existence.)
>
> >> what religion is that? buddhism? hinduism?christianity? off the top of
> >> my head, i can't think of where our government "comes to establishing
> >> a religion".god,creator etc. is mentioned, but what god?
>
> >> >Let me ask you something, bub. =A0How would you feel if you went down=
to
> >> >the local courthouse and there on the wall was "There is no God but
> >> >Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet"? =A0Oh yeah, and you're being sue=
d
> >> >by a Muslim. =A0Good luck in court!
>
> >> again, off the top of my head, i can't think of any courthouse that
> >> has "there is no god but jesus,buddah,thor etc" the only ones i can
> >> think of say god, not a particular religion. unless you mean a
> >> nativity scene for christmas.
>
> =A0first off, way to dodge your statement that we violate the
> constitution when it comes to establishing a religion. again, what
> religion is being established?
>
> as far as the constitution, it say "Congress shall make no law
> respecting an establishment of religion". what law is congress making
> to establish a religion??

Do you think the Bill of Rights only applies to Congress passing laws?
>
> >I'm mostly talking about the Ten Comamndments, which right-wing
> >Christians keep putting into courthouses.
>
> again, what law is congress making to establish a religion???
>
> >http://www.topix.com/city/lexington-ky/2008/09/courthouse-legal-fight...
> >http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98267,00.html
> >http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/27/ten.commandments/
>
> >First Commandment: I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the
> >land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods
> >before Me.
> >I'm sure that's a comfort for Hindus, Buddhists and atheists who have
> >a legal dispute with a Christian church.
>
> shouldn't that be the jewish church since that refers to the jewish
> people? or is it bash the christiians for no reason??
> please advise

You've got it, bub. Judge Roy Moore put up a two-ton monument to the
Ten Commandments in his Alabama courtroom in order to promote the
Jewish religion. There's no reason to associate him with Christian
fundamentalism at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Moore

"On November 18, 2002, federal U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson
issued his ruling declaring that the monument violated the
Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution
and was thus unconstitutional:

If all Chief Justice Moore had done were to emphasize the Ten
Commandments' historical and educational importance... or their
importance as a model code for good citizenship... this court would
have a much different case before it. But the Chief Justice did not
limit himself to this; he went far, far beyond. He installed a two-and-
a-half ton monument in the most prominent place in a government
building, managed with dollars from all state taxpayers, with the
specific purpose and effect of establishing a permanent recognition of
the 'sovereignty of God,' the Judeo-Christian God, over all citizens
in this country, regardless of each taxpaying citizen's individual
personal beliefs or lack thereof. To this, the Establishment Clause
says no."[12]

Judge Thompson's decision mandated that Moore remove the monument from
the state judicial building by January 3, 2003, but stayed this order
on December 23, 2002, after Moore appealed the decision to the
Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals. This appeal was argued on June 4,
2003, before a three-judge panel in Atlanta, Georgia. On July 1, 2003,
the panel issued a ruling upholding the lower court's decision,
agreeing that "the monument fails two of Lemon=92s three prongs. It
violates the Establishment Clause." Additionally, the court noted that
different religious traditions assign different wordings of the Ten
Commandments, meaning that "choosing which version of the Ten
Commandments to display can have religious endorsement
implications."[14]"

- Bob T.


    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:42:42
From: bub
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:05:16 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
<bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote:

>Do you think the Bill of Rights only applies to Congress passing laws?

uh no, but "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of
religion" is about as clear as it can be. and i have yet to see an
example of congress making a law establishing a religion


>> >First Commandment: I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the
>> >land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods
>> >before Me.
>> >I'm sure that's a comfort for Hindus, Buddhists and atheists who have
>> >a legal dispute with a Christian church.


>You've got it, bub. Judge Roy Moore put up a two-ton monument to the
>Ten Commandments in his Alabama courtroom in order to promote the
>Jewish religion. There's no reason to associate him with Christian
>fundamentalism at all.

uhh bob, the first commandment you quoted above is to the jewish
people. no christians in sight. and in the next sentence you bring up
other religions and a dispute with a christian church.
either the commandments were given to the jewish people orrrrrrr they
just used them until the christians came along. what the moore guy did
is not relevant to what you have said.

please advise


   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 12:44:24
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message
news:64988f6c-ba66-4fe3-828a-ca99905603c7@e1g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 26, 9:17 pm, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net > wrote:


I said:
> Why would someone who professes to be an Atheist WANT to try to convince
> others who believe in a higher power that they're wrong? What do they have
> to gain or lose by demeaning the belief system of others?

You replied:
Because people who believe in a higher power are constantly
interfering in our lives. They want to force our children to learn
Creationism in school. They want to stop us from playing online
poker. They hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings.

I reply:
I believe the last polls taken in the U.S. show that 91% of our citizenry
believes in (a) God(s) or higher power, so OF COURSE they're going to
interfere in all of our lives, but Atheists want to teach Evolution Science,
and do away with Creation Science, whereas most Christians can live with
both being taught. Since 91% of the legislature (if you extrapolate out
from the regular citizenry) believes in (a)God(s) or Higher Power, then they
voted to kill online poker, that's not only the RIGHTARDS, but the LEFTARDS
as well.

As far as flying planes into buildings, if that was thrown in to bolster
your point about "nutcase religious people" you made that point. Yes, those
were followers of a FALSE PROPHET, just as those in Jonestown who drink
Gallon after gallon of poisoned Kool-Aid, or Jewish Settlers in Palestinian
land that blew everyone away that came near their (now illegal) settlements,
and the MANSON FAMILY. You're talking about extremists.

There are extemists in every segment of society, not just religion, but
religion (especially false religions, and some very big cults that claim to
be "christian" not mentioning any names here) is the easiest way to convince
people that they are doing the RIGHT thing while flying planes into
buildings, or drink Kool-Aid laced with poison, because, let's face it, life
generally sucks for most people and they reach out to "something", and many
are taken in by false prophets and false religions.

Is religion the "opiate for the masses"? Quite possibly, but my
Christianity that I practice is NOT a "religion", it is a relationship
between myself, one God and one mediator, who happens to be Jesus Christ.

By the way, I was "indoctrinated" when I was very young in the Lutheran
faith. I'm no longer a Lutheran, and haven't been for many, many years.
I'm not saying they aren't Christians,I'm just saying that if you look at
people like Pastor Rick Warren author of "The Purpose Driven Life" (becoming
best selling book of all time, behind the Bible itself) He has a BIG TENT
philosophy. He has many friends who don't believe the same way he does. He
prays for them, speaks with them and tries to tell them the "right" way to
make their life NOT SUCK.

Rick Warren was LOVED by even many Atheists and many Gay and Lesbian
organizations until he came out FOR Prop 8 in California. He explained why
he did so on (IIRC) 60 Minutes last week. His personal belief is that a
marriage is between one man and one woman, and now he's being picketed,
smeared in the press and all over the internet because of ONE thing that he
did that upset a very vocal minority in this Country who were all "his big
allies and friends".

I attended Saddleback Church back in the day, and learned a lot of my new
Christianity from Rick Warren and people of his ilk. I'm not a "follower" of
Rick Warren I'm a follower of Christ and the teachings of his followers that
all ended up in a book, although I find a lot of his principles right in
line with mine, and he taught me that tolerance and love is much more
important than "organized" anything.

Of the 82% of the U.S. that identified themselves as Christians in the poll
I would venture to say that only 10-20% of those people make up the so
called "Christian Right" in politics, or the Zealotous morons, as I refer to
them. I don't believe laws should be made FOR or AGAINST religion, or
religious practices For those who want to take the "leap" to "Ok, so if my
religion believes in human virgin sacrifice that means you'd be ok with
that happening and not making a law to stop it". No, there already are laws
on the books stopping it, they're called MURDER statutes.

My whole point in this (now really rambling) response is simple. "One bad
apple can spoil the whole bunch" or "painting with a wide brush" or "anyone
who believes in God is a moron" or the converse, "Anyone who doesn't
believe in (a)God(s) is a moron" are all simple minded.



> Christians are taught to "go therefore to the corners of the Earth and
> spread the Gospel (which translates to "good news") of Jesus Christ". So
> when Christians "evangelize" they do it because it is what the "handbook"
> instructs them to do.

You replied
Is this supposed to be a desirable trait? People knocking on my door
telling me that if I don't believe in Noah's Ark, talking snakes and
the Garden of Eden I will be spending all eternity in Hell?

My reply:
I'm not going to be knocking on your door, although I know people who
probably will. I have them knock on my door, too. It is NOT "in the
handbook" (since we've been using that phrase) to bother people over and
over and over again and try to "Scare the Hell out of them". One of the
best sermons I ever heard was from the Christian Comedian Mike Warneke (sp?)
Where he says *exactly* that. Our job as Christians is NOT to Scare the
Hell out of non-believers, but to LOVE the Hell out of non-believers.

I guess I'm not your typical Evangelical Christian by far. I don't attend
Church regularly, and haven't for years, but I'm evangelizing when I post
something here saying,

"Ya Know, I believe in Jesus being the promised Messiah from Judaic
teachings and prophecy, and I have a relationship with a Living God, and
wish to commune with him for eternity after this existence on Earth is
over".

It's not "in your face", it's not "You're gonna burn", and it's not even "I
don't wanna be within 30 feet of Patti during a lightning storm", like Paul
P just said. I believe anyone can go to "Heaven".

What is Heaven? I'm not sure, it could be literally a place with streets
paved with gold, and all of that, however I tend to believe that it is the
ability to be with God and get to know the why's and wherefore's of what our
existence on Earth was all about. There are many questions I have about
suffering, disease, war, and I believe that when I get to "Heaven" those
things will be revealed to me, and I know one thing for certain. I won't be
stuck in this "broken down, diabetic, painful, obese body " that I'm in now.
Suffering, pain and sorrow won't exist, but love, kindness and the other
GOOD things will be.


> I don't know of any "Atheist Handbook" that tells Atheists to GO out and
> demean or defame anyone's beliefs, and it really baffles me why they feel
> the need to do so.

You wrote:
I've never seen any atheists go door to door telling people about the
benefits of atheism, have you?

My reply:
No, however I have to have my beliefs ridiculed daily in the media, in the
courts, and stripped away from my society because there are people like you
that can't "just let it go" and MUST stop we "evil" Christians from being
public about our faith.


I have seen a lot of atheists post their opinions on Usenet forums like this
one. Is that the sort of
defamation you are referring to?

My reply:

No, I'm talking about the "Michael Newdow's" and Madeline Murry O'Hare's of
the world who turn "Atheism" into a religion...pausing while I get a new
irony meter...

You wrote:
If I point out that Noah's Flood
could not possibly have happened and that human beings obviously
evolved gradually over millions of years, does that "demean" people
who take Genesis literally?

I replied:
Absolutley not. And here's why. I don't know what a "DAY" means to God.
My son and I were just having that conversation. in Genesis it talks about
on the 1st day God created, etc. A day to God could be a day like ours, a
decade, a century, a millenium, who knows? God does. Therefore I don't
believe that ADAPTATION and Creationism are mutually exclusive. As far as
the flood itself, if it didn't happen, how do you explain things like "The
Salton Sea" or "Great Salt Lake", or the Grand Canyon? At some point in
time (maybe a millions of years ago) the Earth suffered a massive flood
(according to a majority of Scientists) just like the Ice Age and other
cataclysmic events. Notice, the Earth wasn't destroyed, just what was on
it.

You wrote:
I think that believing in a literal Genesis is just plain dumb, and
that the mental gyrations a person must go through to believe that
Noah's Flood actually happened are harmful to both individuals and
society.

I say:
How is it HARMFUL? What is the harm to society? How are you personally
harmed by someones belief in "Noah's Flood"? This is the kind of demeaning
and degrading of people that I spoke of.

You espoused:
I believe that millions of people spend their lives
preparing for a mythical afterlife that ain't never going to happen.
I believe that it would be better if people based their lives on
reality, not mythology.

I reply:
Even if I'm wrong (and I believe with my entire being that I'm NOT) what
possible harm can it do to live the life that Christ and his followers that
wrote what we know as "the Bible" ? Christ taught us that ALL people should
be treated equally, that is why he sat down with whores, tax collectors,
lepers, and all other manner of outcasts, fed them, and told them that they
have a life waiting for them that will be better than the one they have now.

What do you have to lose by living a MORAL, LOVING life, where the major
rule is LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOU LOVE YOURSELF? How can that be a bad
thing?

>Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles
> Who will always believe in God and that Jesus is the Messiah promised by
> God
> in the Old Testament and prophecied about in the writings and teachings of
> the Jewish Laws and Traditions.

You sniped:
That's touching, but a bit sad, like a twelve-year-old who still
believes in Santa Claus.

- Bob T.

Bob, maybe I am naive, maybe I am a 12 year old that believes in Santa.
Yeah, right.

You asked me what I meant by people demeaning what Christians believe and
then turn around and do EXACTLY that. If you think you should pity me, then
go ahead, I can't stop you. However, I'm the one that has pity and prays
for people who leave no place in their life for God or a Higher Power, and
believe that "what you see is what you get", cuz if this is all there is,
we're all just going through the motions for nothing because in your belief
system, we're just warming up to be worm food. I choose not to believe
that.

In any case, have a happy New Year, and God Bless!

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles






    
Date: 29 Dec 2008 20:03:12
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28, 9:29=A0pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:0EU5l.13612$fc3.13515@newsfe02.iad...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Patti Beadles" <pat...@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
> >news:gj7cav$llg$1@blue.rahul.net...
> >> In article <enodl4lfjjm9slupde9klv9kc0mmksn...@4ax.com>,
> >> Pepe Papon =A0<hitmeis...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>>Minor but important correction. =A0 It has no place in our *science
> >>>classes*.
>
> >> I completely agree.
>
> >> I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
> >> of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
> >> fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. =A0These classes would teach
> >> kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
> >> bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.
>
> >> I think there would be a lot less religious bigotry if people
> >> at least understood what others believed.
>
> >> -Patti
>
> Give me a break. =A0Could Patti Beadles possibly be a bigger hypocrite? =
=A0She
> is the one that says 'all religions should be ridiculed at every opportun=
ity
> " and she includes this in every one of her posts. =A0I agree with a lot =
of
> the things Rick "the voice" says but we'll have to agree to disagree on t=
his
> one. =A0He thinks Patti Beadles is a nice person because he was in an e-m=
ail
> group with her. =A0I think she's an intolerant, ugly-as-amud-fence atheis=
t
> dyke who favors murdering unborn babies.


We should wait until the babies are born. Then only murder the ones
with red hair.


    
Date: 29 Dec 2008 19:34:54
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28, 2:11=A0am, pat...@green.rahul.net (Patti Beadles) wrote:
> In article <enodl4lfjjm9slupde9klv9kc0mmksn...@4ax.com>,
> Pepe Papon =A0<hitmeis...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Minor but important correction. =A0 It has no place in our *science
> >classes*. =A0 =A0
>
> I completely agree. =A0
>
> I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
> of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
> fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. =A0These classes would teach
> kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
> bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.
>
> I think there would be a lot less religious bigotry if people
> at least understood what others believed.
>

What nonsense.

Without bias?

Sure. we've got enough 4th grade teachers who could do that to go
around.



    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 17:15:38
From: jpatk
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28, 12:54=A0pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none> wrote in message
>
> news:9oM5l.2096$Ou7.708@newsfe24.iad...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Patti Beadles" <pat...@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
> >news:gj7cav$llg$1@blue.rahul.net...
> >> In article <enodl4lfjjm9slupde9klv9kc0mmksn...@4ax.com>,
> >> Pepe Papon =A0<hitmeis...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>>Minor but important correction. =A0 It has no place in our *science
> >>>classes*.
>
> >> I completely agree.
>
> >> I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
> >> of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
> >> fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. =A0These classes would teach
> >> kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
> >> bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.
>
> > Not a good idea, really. =A0College is soon enough for that. =A0Even at=
the
> > college level, specifically at Iowa State University a student I know w=
as
> > berated by the professor because she did not know the tenets and prayer=
s
> > of her "christian faith". =A0Nothing she could do would convince this n=
arrow
> > minded bastard that she was not raised a christian. =A0Another bigot,
> > another dropout, don't need that kind of abuse for kids in grade school=
.
>
> Well not to worry bucko. =A0Islam has developed a method of solving femal=
e
> student problems. =A0First, they forbid girls to attend school. =A0Then, =
if they
> catch them trying to attend school, they throw acid in their faces. =A0Th=
en,
> just to be sure, they murder all the female teachers. =A0Ah islam - the
> religion of peace and tolerance.

You probably don't want to dwell on what the Catholic church has been
guilty of in past times. And even now.


    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 12:43:28
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28, 12:11=A0am, pat...@green.rahul.net (Patti Beadles) wrote:


> I've long thought that students should have mandatory "survey
> of world religions" classes throughout their education... maybe
> fourth, eighth, and 12th grades. =A0These classes would teach
> kids about the belief systems of major world religions without
> bias, and with no emphasis on one of them being the truth.



LOL! Try to pass that curriculum in Wichita!



    
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:56:03
From: Abbey Johnsson
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27 2008 3:44 PM, DaVoice wrote:

As far as
> the flood itself, if it didn't happen, how do you explain things like "The
> Salton Sea" or "Great Salt Lake", or the Grand Canyon? At some point in
> time (maybe a millions of years ago) the Earth suffered a massive flood
> (according to a majority of Scientists) just like the Ice Age and other
> cataclysmic events. Notice, the Earth wasn't destroyed, just what was on
> it.


lol at the "Salton Sea. " It was formed in 1905. What a mystery!
The massive flood was a bunch of engineers fucked up when they were
working on the Colorado River.

http://www.saltonsea.ca.gov/ss101.htm

"When the Sea was created in 1905 its water came direct from the Colorado
River. Almost the entire flow of the river ran unchecked into the Salton
Sink for about a year and a half. When finally the engineers of the day
were able to stop the flow of water they were left with a huge, relatively
fresh water lake in the middle of Southern California’s desert."

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RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com




    
Date: 27 Dec 2008 15:33:56
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:44:24 -0800, "DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net >
wrote:

>You wrote:
>I think that believing in a literal Genesis is just plain dumb, and
>that the mental gyrations a person must go through to believe that
>Noah's Flood actually happened are harmful to both individuals and
>society.
>
>I say:
>How is it HARMFUL? What is the harm to society? How are you personally
>harmed by someones belief in "Noah's Flood"? This is the kind of demeaning
>and degrading of people that I spoke of.

For me, Rick, it's all about gullibility. If people are gullible
enough to believe religious nonsense, they can be talked into all
kinds of other nonsense, too, much of it based on the original
"religion" premise. I'm not talking just about the Crusades, or 911,
or the 2000-year-old state of war in the Middle East over the "holy
land". The gullibility is insidious and pervades all societies.

This is just a "for instance":

http://www.thejesusmyth.com/toolbox/atheism

"In Athens in 594 BC, a Greek merchant and poet by the name of Solon
developed a legal structure based on logical principles which our
legal systems today still emulate. This includes concepts such as
property law, social democracy, fair trials and equal rights for all
people. These principles were based on logical and reasonable ideas
and did not require any religious or philosophical influence.

"It is worth noting that it has been those laws that were not based on
logical or reasonable principles but on religious ideas that have
caused the most harm to society. Ideas such as Apartheid, slavery and
sexual discrimination are not logical yet they have all been supported
by religions and religious institutions, even as late as the 20th
century. You could go one step further and compare Athens’s legal
system under Solon to the Israelite legal system under Moses. While
they were celebrating legal concepts such as democracy, justice and
equality in Athens in the 6th century BC, the Israelites across the
Mediterranean were encouraging legal principles such as stoning
disobedient children to death (Deut 21:18-21), excommunicating women
after they had given birth for being “unclean” (Lev 12:2-5) and
formalizing slavery laws (Exod 21:2)."

Peg


     
Date: 28 Dec 2008 01:55:48
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
In article <ke7dl4hpldalrd08rc6rftu3e760ntjv7b@4ax.com >,
Peg Smith <pegsmith777@aol.com > wrote:

>For me, Rick, it's all about gullibility. If people are gullible
>enough to believe religious nonsense, they can be talked into all
>kinds of other nonsense, too

The problem is that most people don't fall for it when they're
capable of thinking logically. They're indoctrinated into it
from birth, and by the time they're old enough to think for
themselves it's very deeply embedded in their minds.

I don't know anyone who was raised as an atheist or agnostic
and later decided that there was a god.[1] If people had no
concept of religion until they were adults, almost all of them
would find the whole idea completely ludicrous. However, since
it's something that's taught to them at a very young age by
the most important authority figures in their lives, by the
time they get to adulthood it's a really hard notion to shake.

-Patti

[1] I'm sure a few exist, but it's an extremely small number.
--
Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


      
Date: 28 Dec 2008 12:59:08
From: Travel
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
Patty Beatels wrote:

"I don't know anyone who was raised as an atheist or agnostic
and later decided that there was a god. If people had no
concept of religion until they were adults, almost all of them
would find the whole idea completely ludicrous. However, since
it's something that's taught to them at a very young age by
the most important authority figures in their lives, by the
time they get to adulthood it's a really hard notion to shake.

-Patti

I'm sure a few exist, but it's an extremely small number.
--
Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


       
Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:32:34
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Travel" <nine510@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:1230491692.36961@pokermagazine.com...
> Patty Beatels wrote:
>
> "I don't know anyone who was raised as an atheist or agnostic
> and later decided that there was a god. If people had no
> concept of religion until they were adults, almost all of them
> would find the whole idea completely ludicrous. However, since
> it's something that's taught to them at a very young age by
> the most important authority figures in their lives, by the
> time they get to adulthood it's a really hard notion to shake.
>
> -Patti
>
> I'm sure a few exist, but it's an extremely small number.
> --
> Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


        
Date: 28 Dec 2008 19:04:12
From: bub
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:32:34 -0800, "DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net >
wrote:

w.c.fields

"As he lay in his hospital bed shortly before his death, Fields was
visited by the actor Thomas Mitchell, a good friend. When Mitchell
entered Fields' room, he was shocked to find the irreligious Fields
paging through a Bible. Fields was a lifelong agnostic, and fervently
anti-religious (he once said that he had skimmed the Bible while
looking for movie plots, but found only "a pack of wild lies"). "What
are you doing reading a Bible?" asked the astonished Mitchell. A
wiseacre to the end, Fields replied "I'm looking for loopholes.""




      
Date: 27 Dec 2008 20:36:01
From: Susan
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gj6mb4$ovh$1@blue.rahul.net...

> I don't know anyone who was raised as an atheist or agnostic
> and later decided that there was a god.[1] If people had no
> concept of religion until they were adults, almost all of them
> would find the whole idea completely ludicrous. However, since
> it's something that's taught to them at a very young age by
> the most important authority figures in their lives, by the
> time they get to adulthood it's a really hard notion to shake.
>
> -Patti

Here's a pretty well know one. Son of Madeline Murray O'Hair
In 1980, William Murray converted to Christianity and was baptised at a
Baptist church in Dallas, where he took up work as a preacher. This led to a
permanent estrangement between mother and son. As she put it, "One could
call this a postnatal abortion on the part of a mother, I guess; I repudiate
him entirely and completely for now and all times...he is beyond human
forgiveness."

Murray spoke critically and regretfully of his mother after her
disappearance:

"My mother was an evil person... Not for removing prayer from America's
schools... No, she was just evil. She stole huge amounts of money. She
misused the trust of people. She cheated children out of their parents'
inheritance. She cheated on her taxes and even stole from her own
organizations. She once printed up phony stock certificates on her own
printing press to try to take over another atheist publishing
company....Regardless of how evil and lawless my mother was she did not
deserve to die in the manner she did."

Murray claimed his mother had illegally stashed "tens of millions" away He
attempted to gain "guardianship" over his missing mother and brother's
assets, declaring they had stolen money, and said, "My brother had a
tendency to fall for con games and con artists"





      
Date: 27 Dec 2008 18:06:37
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gj6mb4$ovh$1@blue.rahul.net...

>
> The problem is that most people don't fall for it when they're
> capable of thinking logically. They're indoctrinated into it
> from birth, and by the time they're old enough to think for
> themselves it's very deeply embedded in their minds.
>
> I don't know anyone who was raised as an atheist or agnostic
> and later decided that there was a god.[1] If people had no
> concept of religion until they were adults, almost all of them
> would find the whole idea completely ludicrous. However, since
> it's something that's taught to them at a very young age by
> the most important authority figures in their lives, by the
> time they get to adulthood it's a really hard notion to shake.
>

Maybe this is why some people think you're such an arrogant and pompous
bitch. Uhh, because you ARE! I didn't fully believe in God until I WAS an
adult! And that's because I've got enough BRAINS to see through the
incredible amount of anti-religious propaganda spewn from dregs like you.
One just has to be perceptive enough to set that aside. It's people like
YOU who are indoctrinated. You're so indoctrinated that you're too fucking
stupid to recognize the obvious, that there IS A GOD! There are signs of
God's existence everywhere you turn. You people are blind.

-Paul Popinjay






   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 07:31:23
From: Rev. Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message news:64988f6c-ba66-4fe3-828a-

> Because people who believe in a higher power are constantly
> interfering in our lives. They want to force our children to learn
> Creationism in school. They want to stop us from playing online
> poker. They hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings.


Not only that, but I would like to see many of you atheists bound in a
stockade, displayed and humiliated within the public square.

-Rev. Popinjay







    
Date: 27 Dec 2008 18:17:22
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 07:31:23 -0800, "Rev. Paul Popinjay"
<paulpopinjay[no rev]@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

>"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message news:64988f6c-ba66-4fe3-828a-
>
>> Because people who believe in a higher power are constantly
>> interfering in our lives. They want to force our children to learn
>> Creationism in school. They want to stop us from playing online
>> poker. They hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings.
>
>
>Not only that, but I would like to see many of you atheists bound in a
>stockade, displayed and humiliated within the public square.
>
>-Rev. Popinjay

Wow, you're into bondage! Bring on the whip artist!


    
Date: 27 Dec 2008 15:16:46
From: Clave
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Rev. Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[no rev]@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:eUr5l.3904$jZ1.1151@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
> "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
> news:64988f6c-ba66-4fe3-828a-
>
>> Because people who believe in a higher power are constantly
>> interfering in our lives. They want to force our children to learn
>> Creationism in school. They want to stop us from playing online
>> poker. They hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings.
>
>
> Not only that, but I would like to see many of you atheists bound in a
> stockade, displayed and humiliated within the public square.

That's what Jesus would want.

Jim




    
Date: 27 Dec 2008 08:25:03
From: Jerry Sturdivant
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Rev. Paul Popinjay"



>> Because people who believe in a higher power are constantly
>> interfering in our lives. They want to force our children to learn
>> Creationism in school. They want to stop us from playing online
>> poker. They hijack airplanes and fly them into buildings.

> Not only that, but I would like to see many of you
> atheists bound in a stockade, displayed and
> humiliated within the public square.

There you go. See why we worry about you theists? You’re vindictive and
hatefull.


Jerry ‘n (sin city) Vegas











  
Date: 26 Dec 2008 07:55:00
From:
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 26, 9:13=A0am, "Paul Popinjay" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net >
wrote:
> <tranger...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4ba4d328-7868-4e37-b04d-
> > Great Post Mike, I can tell you've been holding all your bitterness in
> > for Xmas, and I appreciate you waited until the 26th to unleash it.
> > Is this how you really talk? =A0You seem like a sad old man.
>
> What bitterness? =A0You seldom post here, yet you've got nothing better t=
o do
> than attack Mike today, the day after Christmas? =A0What is this shit? =
=A0You
> miserable atheists are coming out of the woodwork this morning to attack =
God
> and religion, and there's still turkey and cranberry sauce left over in
> everyone's refrigerator. =A0You people are too much. =A0You hate God, you=
hate
> Christianity, yet you crash the party by celebrating Christmas anyway. =
=A0I
> mean, you call Mike a bitter old man, but how miserable is THAT of YOU?
> What the fuck is your problem? =A0I don't see why you non-religious fucks
> don't just wait until New Years to get your jollies. =A0It's only a week
> afterward, don't you have any patience?
>
> -PP

I only post seldom compared to some...And I'm not atheist, I'm just
not arrogant enough to think I know what God wants of me.

His post just reminded me of whats wrong with Christianity. He
reminds me of the guy who goes to Church and then gives someone the
bird driving home for cutting him off in traffic. I mean, its the day
after the birth of Jesus, and hes attacking someone for suggesting (in
a thread talking about God and Jesus) that perhaps there's no God.
Just struck me as sad/


   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 12:47:47
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28, 10:45=A0am, "Paul Popinjay"


it
> really has me frightened of seeing the worst of times in my very own life=
,



Like dribble pee in your pants frightened.. or full on shit squirts in
your shorts terrified?



    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:21:36
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:1df80dad-cc93-4fb7-9d6d-a4f4a12689d7@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 28, 10:45 am, "Paul Popinjay"


it
> > really has me frightened of seeing the worst of times in my very own
> > life,



> Like dribble pee in your pants frightened.. or full on shit squirts in
> your shorts terrified?


Kinda like, machete-swinging in every direction kinda frightened. That
answer your question, sweetie?




   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 10:56:01
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28, 10:47=A0am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nob...@fool.foo> wrote in messagenews:022fl4t3nu=
hlk9imd5o24v3t8kc4d6eitd@4ax.com...
>
> > On 28 Dec 2008 13:56:32 GMT, Tom White <tomina...@bulldogcountry.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>In case I'm underestimating the chance of European secular wimps
> >>standing up to Greater Islam, I wish the Europeans "Good luck" on
> >>their SFATs (Subsistence Farming Aptitude Test).
>
> > FOAD retard. =A0You pathetic Nazis are the same species as the Islamist
> > scum. =A0You should all die in a fire.
>
> Is that really you Jacks?

Have you ever posted something so outrageous and offensive that
somebody asked "Is that really you, Mike?"

- Bob T.
>
> Irish Mike



    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 14:58:31
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message
news:e758d832-415e-4e2f-bb5e-20c42906b802@a26g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 28, 10:47 am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nob...@fool.foo> wrote in
> messagenews:022fl4t3nuhlk9imd5o24v3t8kc4d6eitd@4ax.com...
>
> > On 28 Dec 2008 13:56:32 GMT, Tom White <tomina...@bulldogcountry.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >>In case I'm underestimating the chance of European secular wimps
> >>standing up to Greater Islam, I wish the Europeans "Good luck" on
> >>their SFATs (Subsistence Farming Aptitude Test).
>
> > FOAD retard. You pathetic Nazis are the same species as the Islamist
> > scum. You should all die in a fire.
>
> Is that really you Jacks?

Have you ever posted something so outrageous and offensive that
somebody asked "Is that really you, Mike?"

- Bob T.

Yes. I once got this guy so on tilt that he bet me a $100 that Hillary
would win the 2008 presidential election. But the guy was kind of a left
wing loon so no one was really all that surprised.

Irish Mike
>
> Irish Mike




   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 09:05:37
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28, 8:37=A0am, bub <b...@plotuss.com > wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:16:34 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
>
> <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:
> >Yes, our government frequently violates its own constitution when it
> >comes to establishing a religion. =A0Thanks for the examples, bub (the
> >DOI doesn't count - it predates our nation's existence.)
>
> what religion is that? buddhism? hinduism?christianity? off the top of
> my head, i can't think of where our government "comes to establishing
> a religion".god,creator etc. is mentioned, but what god?
>
> >Let me ask you something, bub. =A0How would you feel if you went down to
> >the local courthouse and there on the wall was "There is no God but
> >Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet"? =A0Oh yeah, and you're being sued
> >by a Muslim. =A0Good luck in court!
>
> again, off the top of my head, i can't think of any courthouse that
> has "there is no god but jesus,buddah,thor etc" the only ones i can
> think of say god, not a particular religion. unless you mean a
> nativity scene for christmas.

I'm mostly talking about the Ten Comamndments, which right-wing
Christians keep putting into courthouses.

http://www.topix.com/city/lexington-ky/2008/09/courthouse-legal-fight-over-=
ten-commandments-expensive
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98267,00.html
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/27/ten.commandments/

First Commandment: I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the
land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods
before Me.

I'm sure that's a comfort for Hindus, Buddhists and atheists who have
a legal dispute with a Christian church.

- Bob T.


    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:28:54
From: bub
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 09:05:37 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
<bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote:

>On Dec 28, 8:37 am, bub <b...@plotuss.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:16:34 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
>>
>> <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:
>> >Yes, our government frequently violates its own constitution when it
>> >comes to establishing a religion.  Thanks for the examples, bub (the
>> >DOI doesn't count - it predates our nation's existence.)
>>
>> what religion is that? buddhism? hinduism?christianity? off the top of
>> my head, i can't think of where our government "comes to establishing
>> a religion".god,creator etc. is mentioned, but what god?
>>
>> >Let me ask you something, bub.  How would you feel if you went down to
>> >the local courthouse and there on the wall was "There is no God but
>> >Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet"?  Oh yeah, and you're being sued
>> >by a Muslim.  Good luck in court!
>>
>> again, off the top of my head, i can't think of any courthouse that
>> has "there is no god but jesus,buddah,thor etc" the only ones i can
>> think of say god, not a particular religion. unless you mean a
>> nativity scene for christmas.
first off, way to dodge your statement that we violate the
constitution when it comes to establishing a religion. again, what
religion is being established?

as far as the constitution, it say "Congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion". what law is congress making
to establish a religion??


>I'm mostly talking about the Ten Comamndments, which right-wing
>Christians keep putting into courthouses.

again, what law is congress making to establish a religion???


>http://www.topix.com/city/lexington-ky/2008/09/courthouse-legal-fight-over-ten-commandments-expensive
>http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,98267,00.html
>http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/08/27/ten.commandments/
>
>First Commandment: I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the
>land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods
>before Me.

>I'm sure that's a comfort for Hindus, Buddhists and atheists who have
>a legal dispute with a Christian church.
shouldn't that be the jewish church since that refers to the jewish
people? or is it bash the christiians for no reason??
please advise

>- Bob T.



    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 09:53:45
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message news:bc437b15-83d6-4314-b9b9-

First Commandment: I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the
land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods
before Me.

I'm sure that's a comfort for Hindus, Buddhists and atheists who have
a legal dispute with a Christian church.

- Bob T.
-------------------------------------------------------------------

Because America is a Christian nation, Bob. It is ok for the Hindus,
Buddhists, and atheists to live here, but they just don't get to go to
Heaven from here. That's the rules, numb nuts.

-PP




     
Date: 28 Dec 2008 12:09:26
From: mccard
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:u7P5l.7538$pr6.5657@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
> "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
> news:bc437b15-83d6-4314-b9b9-
>
> First Commandment: I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the
> land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods
> before Me.
>
> I'm sure that's a comfort for Hindus, Buddhists and atheists who have
> a legal dispute with a Christian church.
>
> - Bob T.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Because America is a Christian nation, Bob. It is ok for the Hindus,
> Buddhists, and atheists to live here, but they just don't get to go to
> Heaven from here. That's the rules, numb nuts.
>
>
PP, I think you have summed up in a couple sentences the essence of why most
who have "fallen" away from radical Christianity as a belief system have
done so.



      
Date: 28 Dec 2008 23:36:49
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 12:09:26 -0600, "mccard" <no_won@no_won.none >
wrote:

>
>"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:u7P5l.7538$pr6.5657@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
>> news:bc437b15-83d6-4314-b9b9-
>>
>> First Commandment: I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the
>> land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods
>> before Me.
>>
>> I'm sure that's a comfort for Hindus, Buddhists and atheists who have
>> a legal dispute with a Christian church.
>>
>> - Bob T.
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Because America is a Christian nation, Bob. It is ok for the Hindus,
>> Buddhists, and atheists to live here, but they just don't get to go to
>> Heaven from here. That's the rules, numb nuts.
>>
>>
>PP, I think you have summed up in a couple sentences the essence of why most
>who have "fallen" away from radical Christianity as a belief system have
>done so.

And the reason why atheists feel threatened by religion. Or at least
by certain religions.


      
Date: 28 Dec 2008 10:30:24
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"mccard" <no_won@no_won.none > wrote in message
news:PhP5l.21580$hr3.17993@newsfe01.iad...
>
> PP, I think you have summed up in a couple sentences the essence of why
> most who have "fallen" away from radical Christianity as a belief system
> have done so.

I am only one man. I cannot save the world. If it were up to me, I would
not wish an eternity of fire upon you people. Well, most of you I wouldn't
anyway. But I didn't make the rules. So burn baby burn.

-PP




   
Date: 26 Dec 2008 21:17:26
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

<trangers16@hotmail.com > wrote


>I only post seldom compared to some...And I'm not atheist, I'm just
>not arrogant enough to think I know what God wants of me.

>His post just reminded me of whats wrong with Christianity. He
>reminds me of the guy who goes to Church and then gives someone the
>bird driving home for cutting him off in traffic. I mean, its the day
>after the birth of Jesus, and hes attacking someone for suggesting (in
>a thread talking about God and Jesus) that perhaps there's no God.
>Just struck me as sad/

There is nothing WRONG with Christianity, per se. The problem is those who
profess Christianity and don't practice it. That is what you used your
anecdote to prove.

People will always let people down, in my humble opinion, God doesn't let
people down, people do. The worst offenders are those who (like in your
example) are hypocritical. I can include myself in that example to some
extent.

I'm a practicing Christian who doesn't "conform" to what non-Christians
believe "real" Christians to be. According to the New Testament to be a
Christian you believe that Jesus is the Son of God who IS also God, who came
to Earth in the form of man and died and shed his blood so that ALL who
believe in him shall have everlasting life. Do I wish I set a better
"Christian" example, such as going to Church every week, not smoking, not
cussing... I'd like to, but I don't believe that they are mutually
exclusive. I have a relationship with Christ and through Christ with God.
That is what Christianity is, IMHO.

There are many "types" of atheists, however most of the atheists I've met,
are in fact, people who were raised in a religion, believed in (a) God, in
whatever form their religion envisions him/her and then because they were
let down by PEOPLE within their faith, turn their back on the Diety and call
themselves "Atheists" when in fact, they are just "former (insert
religion/denomination/sect here) who were wronged by other PEOPLE, not the
Diety they once professed to believe in.

True Atheists never believed in a Higher Power. I think most professing
Atheists are not Atheists at all, just bitter "ex-believers", and they act
worse than REFORMED SMOKERS.

Why would someone who professes to be an Atheist WANT to try to convince
others who believe in a higher power that they're wrong? What do they have
to gain or lose by demeaning the belief system of others?

Christians are taught to "go therefore to the corners of the Earth and
spread the Gospel (which translates to "good news") of Jesus Christ". So
when Christians "evangelize" they do it because it is what the "handbook"
instructs them to do.

I don't know of any "Atheist Handbook" that tells Atheists to GO out and
demean or defame anyone's beliefs, and it really baffles me why they feel
the need to do so.
--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles
Who will always believe in God and that Jesus is the Messiah promised by God
in the Old Testament and prophecied about in the writings and teachings of
the Jewish Laws and Traditions.




    
Date: 27 Dec 2008 06:12:32
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote in message
news:RTi5l.7181$an4.4810@newsfe08.iad...
>
> <trangers16@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> Christians are taught to "go therefore to the corners of the Earth and
> spread the Gospel (which translates to "good news") of Jesus Christ". So
> when Christians "evangelize" they do it because it is what the "handbook"
> instructs them to do.
>
> I don't know of any "Atheist Handbook" that tells Atheists to GO out and
> demean or defame anyone's beliefs, and it really baffles me why they feel
> the need to do so.
I'm not an atheist. I specifically believe in a supreme power behind the
universe, and fully acknowledge it's not a provable belief.

However, like many atheists, I am often appalled by the waste of money and
the stupidity that is expanded on because of various religions.

I'm offended by people who believe that some race is less human than others,
that one gender is specifically superior in all ways to the other,that
sexual orientation is sometimes against the laws of 'god', and any number of
other ideas that fly in the face of science.
If it's not going to cost money, and do no serious harm, I can ignore it.
If someone is wasting a lot of money on it, and it's doing them harm, I'm
quite likely to argue with them about it.




     
Date: 27 Dec 2008 00:28:52
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote

> However, like many atheists, I am often appalled by the waste of money and
> the stupidity that is expanded on because of various religions.
>
> I'm offended by people who believe that some race is less human than
> others, that one gender is specifically superior in all ways to the
> other,that sexual orientation is sometimes against the laws of 'god', and
> any number of other ideas that fly in the face of science.

I'm also appalled by people who belive that a race or gender is superior or
inferior to another. I personally don't care what goes on in peoples
bedrooms.

As far as science goes, it is ever-changing. I can cite the billions of
examples, and I can also state with absolute certanty that for every
scientist you can find with an opinion on ANY subject, I can find one that
would disagree. Science is not the end-all-be-all of Human existence.
Hell, ALCHEMY was an accepted "science" for a couple of centuries, wasn't
it?

> If it's not going to cost money, and do no serious harm, I can ignore it.
> If someone is wasting a lot of money on it, and it's doing them harm, I'm
> quite likely to argue with them about it.

Please tell me how it costs money for people to believe in God? How do my
beliefs cost you money in any way? The only way I can think of is "tax
exemptions", but there are just as many tax exempt SCIENTIFIC organizations
as there are religious institutions, and much more tax money is wasted on
"junk science" than on religion.

We can agree to disagree about the existence of God, but I'm not going to
attack your disbelief, and you shouldn't attack my belief. The only thing
that ever came out of the mouth of Rodney King that ever made any sense is
"Can't we all just get along?"

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




      
Date: 28 Dec 2008 20:20:04
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote in message
news:kHl5l.33133$sC4.31994@newsfe04.iad...
>
>
> I personally don't care what goes on in peoples bedrooms.
>

Now wait a minute Rick. Now you're stepping over the line. If there's
anywhere that the church SHOULD be involving itself, it is in people's
bedrooms. This is the cornerstone of morality that Western Civilization is
built on. If there were no laws regulating what is to be permitted in the
sexual arena, our whole society would be rampant with people engaged in oral
sex. And there would be nothing that could be done about it if laws were
not enacted. Is this what you want as a Christian, Rick?

-PP




       
Date: 30 Dec 2008 10:12:52
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:reY5l.9870$as4.3548@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:kHl5l.33133$sC4.31994@newsfe04.iad...
>>
>>
>> I personally don't care what goes on in peoples bedrooms.
>>
>
> Now wait a minute Rick. Now you're stepping over the line. If there's
> anywhere that the church SHOULD be involving itself, it is in people's
> bedrooms. This is the cornerstone of morality that Western Civilization
> is built on. If there were no laws regulating what is to be permitted in
> the sexual arena, our whole society would be rampant with people engaged
> in oral sex. And there would be nothing that could be done about it if
> laws were not enacted. Is this what you want as a Christian, Rick?
>
> -PP

Please show me where I said the "Church" shouldn't be concerned with what
goes on in peoples bedrooms? I said , as you so aptly quoted above, "I
personally don't care what goes on in peoples bedrooms."

The Government shouldn't have anything to do with what goes on in peoples
bedrooms, and I personally don't care what you, Patti, Mike, Bob T. or
anyone else does in theirs. It is not MY business or the Government's
business, EXCEPT and ONLY EXCEPT in the case of child molestation and incest
where a minor is involved.

The Church is not the Government, and I'm not "The Church".

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




        
Date: 30 Dec 2008 20:01:07
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
In article <Lwt6l.32333$ly1.14053@newsfe19.iad >,
DaVoice <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote:

>It is not MY business or the Government's
>business, EXCEPT and ONLY EXCEPT in the case of child molestation and incest
>where a minor is involved.

Actually, it's the government's business any time the activity
is lacking in adult consent from all parties. However, I'm
splitting hairs here.

-Patti
--
Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


         
Date: 30 Dec 2008 13:55:43
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gjdum3$a3q$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In article <Lwt6l.32333$ly1.14053@newsfe19.iad>,
> DaVoice <davoicergp@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>It is not MY business or the Government's
>>business, EXCEPT and ONLY EXCEPT in the case of child molestation and
>>incest
>>where a minor is involved.
>
> Actually, it's the government's business any time the activity
> is lacking in adult consent from all parties. However, I'm
> splitting hairs here.
>
> -Patti

I stand corrected.

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




         
Date: 30 Dec 2008 12:52:29
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 30 2008 3:01 PM, Patti Beadles wrote:

> In article <Lwt6l.32333$ly1.14053@newsfe19.iad>,
> DaVoice <davoicergp@cox.net> wrote:
>
> >It is not MY business or the Government's
> >business, EXCEPT and ONLY EXCEPT in the case of child molestation and
incest
> >where a minor is involved.
>
> Actually, it's the government's business any time the activity
> is lacking in adult consent from all parties. However, I'm
> splitting hairs here.
>
> -Patti
> --
> Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


       
Date: 29 Dec 2008 14:05:00
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:reY5l.9870$as4.3548@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:kHl5l.33133$sC4.31994@newsfe04.iad...
>>
>>
>> I personally don't care what goes on in peoples bedrooms.
>>
>
> Now wait a minute Rick. Now you're stepping over the line. If there's
> anywhere that the church SHOULD be involving itself, it is in people's
> bedrooms. This is the cornerstone of morality that Western Civilization
> is built on. If there were no laws regulating what is to be permitted in
> the sexual arena, our whole society would be rampant with people engaged
> in oral sex. And there would be nothing that could be done about it if
> laws were not enacted. Is this what you want as a Christian, Rick?
As a man, I'm totally in favor of women actively looking for partners for
oral sex.... in public, even.

I do admit that raging hormones may have something to do with that view.




       
Date: 29 Dec 2008 00:11:23
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:20:04 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
<paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

>If there were no laws regulating what is to be permitted in the
>sexual arena, our whole society would be rampant with people engaged in oral
>sex.

And even worse, they'll start lying about it!


       
Date: 28 Dec 2008 22:40:11
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:20:04 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
<paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

>If there were no laws regulating what is to be permitted in the
>sexual arena, our whole society would be rampant with people engaged in oral
>sex.

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

Peg


        
Date: 28 Dec 2008 21:05:48
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Peg Smith" <pegsmith777@aol.com > wrote in message
news:o4lgl416iqijg7rljjg9cvhkom6sr7rgfu@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:20:04 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
> <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>If there were no laws regulating what is to be permitted in the
>>sexual arena, our whole society would be rampant with people engaged in
>>oral
>>sex.
>
> You say that as if it's a bad thing.
>

Peg, please, this conversation is between me and Rick. I don't mean to
imply that you are of a lower moral standard than us, but I would not be
surprised if you're one of those girls who has had your navel pierced.




         
Date: 29 Dec 2008 09:46:22
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 21:05:48 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
<paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

>"Peg Smith" <pegsmith777@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:o4lgl416iqijg7rljjg9cvhkom6sr7rgfu@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:20:04 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
>> <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>>>If there were no laws regulating what is to be permitted in the
>>>sexual arena, our whole society would be rampant with people engaged in
>>>oral
>>>sex.
>>
>> You say that as if it's a bad thing.

>Peg, please, this conversation is between me and Rick. I don't mean to
>imply that you are of a lower moral standard than us, but I would not be
>surprised if you're one of those girls who has had your navel pierced.

I just choked on my coffee. And a good morning to you, too, Reverend
Party Pooper.

Do you know, I'm such a wimp about pain I don't even have my ears
pierced! I'm a wuss.

I dealt to a kid a few months ago who had tattoos covering his arms,
hands and neck (and who knows what else); piercings in his ears,
eyebrows, nose, lips and tongue (and who knows what else). He turned
out to be a friendly guy and we had a nice chat. So I asked him,
didn't that hurt to get all those tattoos and piercings? He said,
yeah, sometimes it hurt like hell. I said, wouldn't it be easier,
cheaper, and a lot less painful to just wear a sign around your neck
that says, "Look at me!" He laughed, I'll give him credit for that. He
was a nice kid, but he sure did look spooky.

Peg


         
Date: 29 Dec 2008 00:41:32
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:8_Y5l.7573$pr6.6083@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
> "Peg Smith" <pegsmith777@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:o4lgl416iqijg7rljjg9cvhkom6sr7rgfu@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 20:20:04 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
>> <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>If there were no laws regulating what is to be permitted in the
>>>sexual arena, our whole society would be rampant with people engaged in
>>>oral
>>>sex.
>>
>> You say that as if it's a bad thing.
>>
>
> Peg, please, this conversation is between me and Rick. I don't mean to
> imply that you are of a lower moral standard than us, but I would not be
> surprised if you're one of those girls who has had your navel pierced.

My guess is old Peg has had about every thing pierced at one time or
another.

Irish Mike




      
Date: 27 Dec 2008 15:22:17
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote in message
news:kHl5l.33133$sC4.31994@newsfe04.iad...
>
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote
>
>> However, like many atheists, I am often appalled by the waste of money
>> and the stupidity that is expanded on because of various religions.
>>
>> I'm offended by people who believe that some race is less human than
>> others, that one gender is specifically superior in all ways to the
>> other,that sexual orientation is sometimes against the laws of 'god', and
>> any number of other ideas that fly in the face of science.
>
> I'm also appalled by people who belive that a race or gender is superior
> or inferior to another. I personally don't care what goes on in peoples
> bedrooms.
>
If only the religious right shared your view.

> As far as science goes, it is ever-changing. I can cite the billions of
> examples, and I can also state with absolute certanty that for every
> scientist you can find with an opinion on ANY subject, I can find one that
> would disagree. Science is not the end-all-be-all of Human existence.
> Hell, ALCHEMY was an accepted "science" for a couple of centuries, wasn't
> it?
A long time prior to the development of the scientific method, yes.
Then they tried to turn lead into gold.
Today we build boxes that can make it possible for people all over the world
to come together and whine about retards sucking out.


>
>> If it's not going to cost money, and do no serious harm, I can ignore it.
>> If someone is wasting a lot of money on it, and it's doing them harm, I'm
>> quite likely to argue with them about it.
>
> Please tell me how it costs money for people to believe in God?

Tithing.
Want a list of churches that do that?

How do my
> beliefs cost you money in any way?
When you enact legislation that slows progress because of your beliefs.
How much was technology slowed down by science being repressed where it
conflicted with the church.

The only way I can think of is "tax
> exemptions", but there are just as many tax exempt SCIENTIFIC
> organizations as there are religious institutions, and much more tax money
> is wasted on "junk science" than on religion.
Depends on your definition of junk science.
Most of that falls in the religious catagory for me... astrology, psi
powers, general bullshit 'science'.


>
> We can agree to disagree about the existence of God, but I'm not going to
> attack your disbelief, and you shouldn't attack my belief. The only thing
> that ever came out of the mouth of Rodney King that ever made any sense is
> "Can't we all just get along?"
I have no problem with someone believing in a supreme being. I do it myself.
When they start wanting to take rights away from people because of that
belief, I get annoyed.




    
Date: 26 Dec 2008 22:08:39
From: Bill T
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On 12/26/2008 9:17 PM, DaVoice wrote:

<<<snip >>

> There are many "types" of atheists, however most of the atheists I've met,
> are in fact, people who were raised in a religion, believed in (a) God, in
> whatever form their religion envisions him/her and then because they were
> let down by PEOPLE within their faith, turn their back on the Diety and call
> themselves "Atheists" when in fact, they are just "former (insert
> religion/denomination/sect here) who were wronged by other PEOPLE, not the
> Diety they once professed to believe in.


I have never believed in a God.
>
> True Atheists never believed in a Higher Power. I think most professing
> Atheists are not Atheists at all, just bitter "ex-believers", and they act
> worse than REFORMED SMOKERS.

No.

>
> Why would someone who professes to be an Atheist WANT to try to convince
> others who believe in a higher power that they're wrong? What do they have
> to gain or lose by demeaning the belief system of others?

Because it is stupid?

>
> Christians are taught to "go therefore to the corners of the Earth and
> spread the Gospel (which translates to "good news") of Jesus Christ". So
> when Christians "evangelize" they do it because it is what the "handbook"
> instructs them to do.
>
> I don't know of any "Atheist Handbook" that tells Atheists to GO out and
> demean or defame anyone's beliefs, and it really baffles me why they feel
> the need to do so.

Atheists only start shooting holes in religious believes when confronted
by the guys with Official Handbooks.







     
Date: 27 Dec 2008 00:20:21
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Bill T" <wctom1@pacbell.net > wrote

> <<<snip>>
>
>> There are many "types" of atheists, however most of the atheists I've
>> met,
>> are in fact, people who were raised in a religion, believed in (a) God,
>> in
>> whatever form their religion envisions him/her and then because they were
>> let down by PEOPLE within their faith, turn their back on the Diety and
>> call
>> themselves "Atheists" when in fact, they are just "former (insert
>> religion/denomination/sect here) who were wronged by other PEOPLE, not
>> the
>> Diety they once professed to believe in.
>
> I have never believed in a God.

I reply:

Ok, I'm sorry you've never thought that there is someone or something
smarter, wiser, or smarter than the human race, that if I remember correctly
you believe is destroying the environment. If We (the Human race) are all
there is, this is a DAMNED DUMB Universe.


I wrote:
>> True Atheists never believed in a Higher Power. I think most professing
>> Atheists are not Atheists at all, just bitter "ex-believers", and they
>> act
>> worse than REFORMED SMOKERS.

You replied
> No.

My reply:

No WHAT?! I said "most of the Atheists I've met", how the hell would you
know whether or not the Atheists that I've met are former believers or not?

I wrote:
>> Why would someone who professes to be an Atheist WANT to try to convince
>> others who believe in a higher power that they're wrong? What do they
>> have
>> to gain or lose by demeaning the belief system of others?

You espoused
> Because it is stupid?

I replied:
I think a lot of things in life are stupid, but I don't go out of my way to
find stupidity and RAIL against it like a raving lunatic. I personally
think Atheism is stupid, but I'm not going to attack you for your
"non-belief", who the hell are you to be the "Stupidity Police"?


I wrote:
>> Christians are taught to "go therefore to the corners of the Earth and
>> spread the Gospel (which translates to "good news") of Jesus Christ". So
>> when Christians "evangelize" they do it because it is what the "handbook"
>> instructs them to do.
>>
>> I don't know of any "Atheist Handbook" that tells Atheists to GO out and
>> demean or defame anyone's beliefs, and it really baffles me why they feel
>> the need to do so.

You replied:
> Atheists only start shooting holes in religious believes when confronted
> by the guys with Official Handbooks.

I reply:

I CALL BULLSHIT. Atheists seem to want to "prove their too smart" to
believe in a higher power. It happens all of the time, not just in response
to "guys with official handbooks", which you know I used as a reference to
the Scriptures, meaning Islamic, Christian, Judaic, Shinto, budhist,
whatever. Atheists think the louder they yell, the smarter they look,
however it just makes believers more sad, we'd like to see more people happy
to know that there IS an afterlife that can be full of joy, peace and
prosperity free of the hate, pain, stress, and anxiety of the life we live
here on Earth.

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




      
Date: 27 Dec 2008 02:07:55
From: RazzO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
Nice hand, sir!!


On Dec 27 2008 12:20 AM, DaVoice wrote:

> I CALL BULLSHIT. Atheists seem to want to "prove their too smart" to
> believe in a higher power. It happens all of the time, not just in response
> to "guys with official handbooks", which you know I used as a reference to
> the Scriptures, meaning Islamic, Christian, Judaic, Shinto, budhist,
> whatever. Atheists think the louder they yell, the smarter they look,
> however it just makes believers more sad, we'd like to see more people happy
> to know that there IS an afterlife that can be full of joy, peace and
> prosperity free of the hate, pain, stress, and anxiety of the life we live
> here on Earth.
>
> --
> Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles


RazzO
"Your all is idiots!" - Mike Matusow

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Date: 27 Dec 2008 06:14:14
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27 2008 5:07 AM, RazzO wrote:

> Nice hand, sir!!
>
>
> On Dec 27 2008 12:20 AM, DaVoice wrote:
>
> > I CALL BULLSHIT. Atheists seem to want to "prove their too smart" to
> > believe in a higher power. It happens all of the time, not just in
response
> > to "guys with official handbooks", which you know I used as a reference to
> > the Scriptures, meaning Islamic, Christian, Judaic, Shinto, budhist,
> > whatever. Atheists think the louder they yell, the smarter they look,
> > however it just makes believers more sad, we'd like to see more people
happy
> > to know that there IS an afterlife that can be full of joy, peace and
> > prosperity free of the hate, pain, stress, and anxiety of the life we live
> > here on Earth.
> >
> > --
> > Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles
>
>
> RazzO
> "Your all is idiots!" - Mike Matusow

Uh, ok.

I consider myself an agnostic rather than an atheist (as the distinction
is meaningful and allows for reason and evidence to influence my beliefs
later rather than being stubbornly set on the path I learned when I was in
pre-school), but I cannot recall ever volunteering the information nor
trying to "de-convert" someone from their religious beliefs. The most I
have ever done is have mutual discussions, always started by the other
party.

Fell
--
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Date: 29 Dec 2008 19:55:48
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28, 6:09=A0pm, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net > wrote:
> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:67684029-a421-41ff-8a7f-3004a2c4dce0@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> > DaVoice wrote:
>
> >> As a Christian, you are supposed to DESPISE THE SIN AND LOVE THE SINNE=
R.
>
> > Christians think this pablum lets them off the hook for all sorts of
> > hateful behavior.
> > Does it occur to you that "sinners" you claim to love resent being
> > called "sinners"?
>
> I am a sinner, even though I'm a Christian.

I'm not a sinner.

The concept of sin is just religious claptrap.




        
Date: 28 Dec 2008 12:37:59
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus


DaVoice wrote:

> As a Christian, you are supposed to DESPISE THE SIN AND LOVE THE SINNER.


Christians think this pablum lets them off the hook for all sorts of
hateful behavior.
Does it occur to you that "sinners" you claim to love resent being
called "sinners"?



         
Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:09:37
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:67684029-a421-41ff-8a7f-3004a2c4dce0@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
> DaVoice wrote:
>
>> As a Christian, you are supposed to DESPISE THE SIN AND LOVE THE SINNER.
>
>
> Christians think this pablum lets them off the hook for all sorts of
> hateful behavior.
> Does it occur to you that "sinners" you claim to love resent being
> called "sinners"?

I am a sinner, even though I'm a Christian. According to the Bible, "all
have sinned and come short of the Glory of God". I know I'm a sinner, we
ALL are. The difference is that I don't resent be called one or calling
myself one, because I believe that God forgives sin, if asked. Don't get me
wrong, I don't believe you can go out and intentionally commit sins with
malice of forethought and then just ask for forgiveness. It's not a "Free
Pass" to go out and do whatever the hell you want to do, but God forgives
ALL sin (contrary to Catholic belief) except Blasphemy. By the way,
Atheists can't commit "blasphemy" in the way the Bible talks about it in the
original language, because the translations of the words "to blaspheme"
means you must have a belief in God and turn your back on him completely and
never repent to actually commit blasphemy. At least that's what I was
taught and believe.

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




          
Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:47:08
From: bub
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I
realised that the Lord doesn't work that way so I just stole one and
asked Him to forgive me.
Emo Philips





On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:09:37 -0800, "DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net >
wrote:

>
>"OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:67684029-a421-41ff-8a7f-3004a2c4dce0@r10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>> DaVoice wrote:
>>
>>> As a Christian, you are supposed to DESPISE THE SIN AND LOVE THE SINNER.
>>
>>
>> Christians think this pablum lets them off the hook for all sorts of
>> hateful behavior.
>> Does it occur to you that "sinners" you claim to love resent being
>> called "sinners"?
>
>I am a sinner, even though I'm a Christian. According to the Bible, "all
>have sinned and come short of the Glory of God". I know I'm a sinner, we
>ALL are. The difference is that I don't resent be called one or calling
>myself one, because I believe that God forgives sin, if asked. Don't get me
>wrong, I don't believe you can go out and intentionally commit sins with
>malice of forethought and then just ask for forgiveness. It's not a "Free
>Pass" to go out and do whatever the hell you want to do, but God forgives
>ALL sin (contrary to Catholic belief) except Blasphemy. By the way,
>Atheists can't commit "blasphemy" in the way the Bible talks about it in the
>original language, because the translations of the words "to blaspheme"
>means you must have a belief in God and turn your back on him completely and
>never repent to actually commit blasphemy. At least that's what I was
>taught and believe.



        
Date: 28 Dec 2008 04:08:51
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 8:57=A0pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "Peg Smith" <pegsmith...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:sqadl41brvi50vqnlklknm8f6438j40b07@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:16:05 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
> > <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >>"Patti Beadles" <pat...@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
> >>news:gj667o$vdo$1@blue.rahul.net...
>
> >>> Witness the amount of hatred that has been spewed my way for
> >>> daring to suggest that somebody's god didn't really exist.
>
> >>Excuse me, but I read this whole thread and I don't remember any hate
> >>spewed
> >>at you. =A0You're making that up, bitch.
>
> > Bullshit, Paul. That's pure bullshit and you know it. We all know you
> > read Irish Mike's posts, so don't ignore his shit.
>
> > I like you, I like Patti, and you're full of shit on this one, pal.
>
> > Peg
>
> Will due respect Peg, you're the one who is full of shit. =A0And Patti Be=
adles
> is the one who says that all religion should be ridiculed at every
> opportunity and she says it in every post she makes. =A0I don't recall an=
y
> person on RGP saying that atheism should be ridiculed at every opportunit=
y
> and then including it in every post they make. =A0I only suggested that f=
or
> one day a year, on Christmas, Patti consider attending some kind of athei=
st
> dyke convention and spare us her anti-religious hate mongering message.
> Just for one day a year. =A0Seemed like a reasonable request.

So, you want to ban atheists from expressing their opinions every year
on December 26th? Curious...

- Bob T.
>
> Irish Mike- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -



        
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:47:24
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 2:59=A0pm, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:
> Here's proof that Christians are much more tolerant.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbOpva_iit-8


She seems reasonable.
Why would anyone call her crazy or ignorant??


        
Date: 27 Dec 2008 15:06:26
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 2:59=A0pm, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:
> Here's proof that Christians are much more tolerant.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DbOpva_iit-8

"It was so dark-sided!"

I'm glad she had a change of heart and decided to accept the gastric
bypass surgery.

- Bob T.


         
Date: 28 Dec 2008 00:05:13
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message
news:b2875af9-ca8b-40b6-b2a3-f2a540a88553@f40g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 27, 2:59 pm, "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net > wrote:
> Here's proof that Christians are much more tolerant.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOpva_iit-8

"It was so dark-sided!"

I'm glad she had a change of heart and decided to accept the gastric
bypass surgery.

- Bob T.

I'm with you bucko. Thank the winter solstice there are no fat, crazy
atheists in this world.

Irish Mike




        
Date: 27 Dec 2008 10:43:51
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:mqph26xc9m.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 27 2008 5:07 AM, RazzO wrote:
>
>> Nice hand, sir!!
>>
>>
>> On Dec 27 2008 12:20 AM, DaVoice wrote:
>>
>> > I CALL BULLSHIT. Atheists seem to want to "prove their too smart" to
>> > believe in a higher power. It happens all of the time, not just in
> response
>> > to "guys with official handbooks", which you know I used as a reference
>> > to
>> > the Scriptures, meaning Islamic, Christian, Judaic, Shinto, budhist,
>> > whatever. Atheists think the louder they yell, the smarter they look,
>> > however it just makes believers more sad, we'd like to see more people
> happy
>> > to know that there IS an afterlife that can be full of joy, peace and
>> > prosperity free of the hate, pain, stress, and anxiety of the life we
>> > live
>> > here on Earth.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles
>>
>>
>> RazzO
>> "Your all is idiots!" - Mike Matusow
>
> Uh, ok.
>
> I consider myself an agnostic rather than an atheist (as the distinction
> is meaningful and allows for reason and evidence to influence my beliefs
> later rather than being stubbornly set on the path I learned when I was in
> pre-school), but I cannot recall ever volunteering the information nor
> trying to "de-convert" someone from their religious beliefs. The most I
> have ever done is have mutual discussions, always started by the other
> party.
>
> Fell

Fell, I don't ever remember saying anything about agnostics trying to ram
their beliefs down people's throats. In fact, since by definition AGNOSITCS
don't know what they believe and are seeking evidence of what to believe (as
you just stated) how the HELL could they try to ram their beliefs down my
throat?

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




         
Date: 27 Dec 2008 14:11:23
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:43:51 -0800, "DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net >
wrote:

>
>"FellKnight" <jordandevenport@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:mqph26xc9m.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> On Dec 27 2008 5:07 AM, RazzO wrote:
>>
>>> Nice hand, sir!!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 27 2008 12:20 AM, DaVoice wrote:
>>>
>>> > I CALL BULLSHIT. Atheists seem to want to "prove their too smart" to
>>> > believe in a higher power. It happens all of the time, not just in
>> response
>>> > to "guys with official handbooks", which you know I used as a reference
>>> > to
>>> > the Scriptures, meaning Islamic, Christian, Judaic, Shinto, budhist,
>>> > whatever. Atheists think the louder they yell, the smarter they look,
>>> > however it just makes believers more sad, we'd like to see more people
>> happy
>>> > to know that there IS an afterlife that can be full of joy, peace and
>>> > prosperity free of the hate, pain, stress, and anxiety of the life we
>>> > live
>>> > here on Earth.
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles
>>>
>>>
>>> RazzO
>>> "Your all is idiots!" - Mike Matusow
>>
>> Uh, ok.
>>
>> I consider myself an agnostic rather than an atheist (as the distinction
>> is meaningful and allows for reason and evidence to influence my beliefs
>> later rather than being stubbornly set on the path I learned when I was in
>> pre-school), but I cannot recall ever volunteering the information nor
>> trying to "de-convert" someone from their religious beliefs. The most I
>> have ever done is have mutual discussions, always started by the other
>> party.
>>
>> Fell
>
>Fell, I don't ever remember saying anything about agnostics trying to ram
>their beliefs down people's throats. In fact, since by definition AGNOSITCS
>don't know what they believe and are seeking evidence of what to believe (as
>you just stated) how the HELL could they try to ram their beliefs down my
>throat?

My contention has always been that if anyone is truly honest with
themselves, they would have to admit that they can't really KNOW there
is no God.
(Fill in any term for "god" you may choose.)

Atheists get positively incensed by the suggestion that there is no
possible way they could KNOW that.

It goes a long way towards understanding why Atheists are so hateful
towards anyone who has a religious belief.



          
Date: 27 Dec 2008 21:20:56
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
In article <102dl49of3h31p71r9dcacbvrlmtrsqfau@4ax.com >,
FL Turbo <SJIU@Inc.com > wrote:

>Atheists get positively incensed by the suggestion that there is no
>possible way they could KNOW that.

Actually, theists are ten times worse about that.

Witness the amount of hatred that has been spewed my way for
daring to suggest that somebody's god didn't really exist.

I don't hate believers. I don't particularly want to change
their minds, though I do enjoy intelligent debate on the
subject from time to time. I have no mission to persuade
anyone that they're wrong.

Contrast that with the attitudes that atheists get from
believers. I've never had an atheist knock on my door to talk
to me about atheism, but I've had zillions of various religions
show up on my doorstep. Atheists don't preach to me, and no
atheist has ever tried to convert me. If I could say the same
thing about religions people, the world would be a better
place.

The problem is that religions all believe they know God's Own
Truth, and therefore righteousness is on their side. Worse,
most religions include some sort of mandate for spreading their
beliefs.

-Patti
--
Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


           
Date: 28 Dec 2008 11:54:32
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:20:56 +0000 (UTC), pattib@green.rahul.net
(Patti Beadles) wrote:

>In article <102dl49of3h31p71r9dcacbvrlmtrsqfau@4ax.com>,
>FL Turbo <SJIU@Inc.com> wrote:
>
>>Atheists get positively incensed by the suggestion that there is no
>>possible way they could KNOW that.
>
>Actually, theists are ten times worse about that.
>
>Witness the amount of hatred that has been spewed my way for
>daring to suggest that somebody's god didn't really exist.
>

Yes, that is true.
Although, I think that most of the venom directed your way has been
about your "lifestyle".

Not a good testimonial for people who represent themselves as
Christians.

>I don't hate believers. I don't particularly want to change
>their minds, though I do enjoy intelligent debate on the
>subject from time to time. I have no mission to persuade
>anyone that they're wrong.
>

I have to admit that I was guilty of a large helping of hyperbole.
No doubt that most Atheists do not try to force their views on someone
else.

The Atheists that get the most attention are the vocal minority, who I
term the Rabid Atheists.

They are there in the court system, out to eliminate any display of
Christian symbolism in the public view.

>Contrast that with the attitudes that atheists get from
>believers. I've never had an atheist knock on my door to talk
>to me about atheism, but I've had zillions of various religions
>show up on my doorstep. Atheists don't preach to me, and no
>atheist has ever tried to convert me. If I could say the same
>thing about religions people, the world would be a better
>place.
>
>The problem is that religions all believe they know God's Own
>Truth, and therefore righteousness is on their side. Worse,
>most religions include some sort of mandate for spreading their
>beliefs.
>
>-Patti

The most visible religions that have that mandate are the Christians
and the Muslims.

The most vocal are the "fundamentalist christians", and the
"fundamentalist muslims".

The Fundamentalist Christians see it as their duty to go out and
proselytize on your doorstep.

The Fundamentalist Muslims see it as their duty to go out and kill all
the Infidels that they can't convert.



            
Date: 28 Dec 2008 16:29:17
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com > wrote

>>>Atheists get positively incensed by the suggestion that there is no
>>>possible way they could KNOW that.
>>
>>Actually, theists are ten times worse about that.
>>
>>Witness the amount of hatred that has been spewed my way for
>>daring to suggest that somebody's god didn't really exist.
>>
>
> Yes, that is true.
> Although, I think that most of the venom directed your way has been
> about your "lifestyle".
>
> Not a good testimonial for people who represent themselves as
> Christians.

I absolutely positively agree with you 100% about that. Patti is not being
attacked by Paul and Mike for being an Atheist, they are attacking her for
her lifestyle which is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what Jesus LIVED and taught.
He sat with what were considered the "scum of the Earth" by the standards of
the Jewish Law at the time of Christ's life on Earth.

We are taught to hate the sin and love the sinner. Patti is a friend of
mine, no matter what her lifestyle. As I said before I wish she was a
believer, but I'm not going to shove my beliefs down her throat, I'll
continue to pray for her.

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




             
Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:35:19
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote in message
news:ARU5l.19858$ly1.16890@newsfe19.iad...
>
> I absolutely positively agree with you 100% about that. Patti is not
> being attacked by Paul and Mike for being an Atheist, they are attacking
> her for her lifestyle which is EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what Jesus LIVED
> and taught.

Excuse me, Rick, but I am searching this entire thread and I can't seem to
find the apology you owe me. As I pointed out earlier, you falsely accused
me of calling Patti a "whore", a "dyke", and a "bitch". You have had enough
time to verify that now, that you did not know what the fuck you were
talking about. I'm waiting. Be a good Christian, and tell me you're sorry.

-PP




           
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:25:28
From: mccard
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gj667o$vdo$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In article <102dl49of3h31p71r9dcacbvrlmtrsqfau@4ax.com>,
> FL Turbo <SJIU@Inc.com> wrote:
>
>>Atheists get positively incensed by the suggestion that there is no
>>possible way they could KNOW that.
>
> Actually, theists are ten times worse about that.
>
> Witness the amount of hatred that has been spewed my way for
> daring to suggest that somebody's god didn't really exist.
>
> I don't hate believers. I don't particularly want to change
> their minds, though I do enjoy intelligent debate on the
> subject from time to time. I have no mission to persuade
> anyone that they're wrong.
>
> Contrast that with the attitudes that atheists get from
> believers. I've never had an atheist knock on my door to talk
> to me about atheism, but I've had zillions of various religions
> show up on my doorstep. Atheists don't preach to me, and no
> atheist has ever tried to convert me. If I could say the same
> thing about religions people, the world would be a better
> place.
>
> The problem is that religions all believe they know God's Own
> Truth, and therefore righteousness is on their side. Worse,
> most religions include some sort of mandate for spreading their
> beliefs.
>
And, in many versions of their faiths, dispatching non-believers to the next
life.



           
Date: 27 Dec 2008 14:16:05
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gj667o$vdo$1@blue.rahul.net...

> Witness the amount of hatred that has been spewed my way for
> daring to suggest that somebody's god didn't really exist.
>

Excuse me, but I read this whole thread and I don't remember any hate spewed
at you. You're making that up, bitch.







            
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:59:42
From: Susan
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
Here's proof that Christians are much more tolerant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOpva_iit-8




             
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:36:38
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:59:42 -0600, "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net >
wrote:

>Here's proof that Christians are much more tolerant.
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOpva_iit-8
>

This segment from the same show is almost worse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFoGnscHxN0&feature=related


            
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:26:51
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:16:05 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
<paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

>"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
>news:gj667o$vdo$1@blue.rahul.net...
>
>> Witness the amount of hatred that has been spewed my way for
>> daring to suggest that somebody's god didn't really exist.
>>
>
>Excuse me, but I read this whole thread and I don't remember any hate spewed
>at you. You're making that up, bitch.

Bullshit, Paul. That's pure bullshit and you know it. We all know you
read Irish Mike's posts, so don't ignore his shit.

I like you, I like Patti, and you're full of shit on this one, pal.

Peg


             
Date: 27 Dec 2008 23:57:47
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Peg Smith" <pegsmith777@aol.com > wrote in message
news:sqadl41brvi50vqnlklknm8f6438j40b07@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 14:16:05 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
> <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
>>news:gj667o$vdo$1@blue.rahul.net...
>>
>>> Witness the amount of hatred that has been spewed my way for
>>> daring to suggest that somebody's god didn't really exist.
>>>
>>
>>Excuse me, but I read this whole thread and I don't remember any hate
>>spewed
>>at you. You're making that up, bitch.
>
> Bullshit, Paul. That's pure bullshit and you know it. We all know you
> read Irish Mike's posts, so don't ignore his shit.
>
> I like you, I like Patti, and you're full of shit on this one, pal.
>
> Peg

Will due respect Peg, you're the one who is full of shit. And Patti Beadles
is the one who says that all religion should be ridiculed at every
opportunity and she says it in every post she makes. I don't recall any
person on RGP saying that atheism should be ridiculed at every opportunity
and then including it in every post they make. I only suggested that for
one day a year, on Christmas, Patti consider attending some kind of atheist
dyke convention and spare us her anti-religious hate mongering message.
Just for one day a year. Seemed like a reasonable request.

Irish Mike




             
Date: 27 Dec 2008 14:46:07
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Peg Smith" <pegsmith777@aol.com > wrote in message
news:sqadl41brvi50vqnlklknm8f6438j40b07@4ax.com...

>
> Bullshit, Paul. That's pure bullshit and you know it. We all know you
> read Irish Mike's posts, so don't ignore his shit.
>

I think you have unfairly mischaracterized and misjudged Mike. Perhaps you
just don't understand Mike. To me it is obvious that Mike is just trying to
help the misguided souls like Patti. Help them to change their wicked ways
and steer them toward a more righteous journey through life. And being
Catholic myself, I share in Mike's concern over the fallen RGPers like
Patti. But I know you can be stubborn, Peg, so I'm not going to spend much
time trying to convince you otherwise. Go ahead and have it your way. Fuck
it, into the fire with her.




              
Date: 27 Dec 2008 23:32:17
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote

> I think you have unfairly mischaracterized and misjudged Mike. Perhaps
> you just don't understand Mike. To me it is obvious that Mike is just
> trying to help the misguided souls like Patti. Help them to change their
> wicked ways and steer them toward a more righteous journey through life.
> And being Catholic myself, I share in Mike's concern over the fallen
> RGPers like Patti. But I know you can be stubborn, Peg, so I'm not going
> to spend much time trying to convince you otherwise. Go ahead and have it
> your way. Fuck it, into the fire with her.

Paul, you have attacked Patti. You have used language such as "bitch",
"whore", "dyke", and then say in the same breath that you want to "help her
misguided soul". Dude, you and I agree on many things, but this isn't one
of them. You have berated her mercilessly as I pointed out in another post.
As a Christian, you are supposed to DESPISE THE SIN AND LOVE THE SINNER.
You've proven that you despise BOTH, and that is no way to try to "help
guide a misguided soul". You screwed the pooch when it comes to Patti, who
I'm happy to call a friend. Do I wish she had a belief in God, YES. Do I
pray that someday she will, YES. Do I berate and call her names because she
doesn't? HELL NO.

I will state again, Patti and I have separate belef systems, but that does
not stop us from being friends. I think you should spend more time praying
for Patti than calling her out, that's all. You come across as hypocritical
when speaking about her.

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




               
Date: 28 Dec 2008 07:52:43
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
In article <6YF5l.2083$Ou7.1070@newsfe24.iad >,
DaVoice <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote:

>Paul, you have attacked Patti. You have used language such as "bitch",
>"whore", "dyke", and then say in the same breath that you want to "help her
>misguided soul".

Has he? I've had him killfiled for so long that I forgot he
was even around. Judging by what you wrote and quoted, he's
the same pathetic frothing-at-the-mouth bigot as before.

-Patti
--
Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


                
Date: 27 Dec 2008 23:58:13
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gj7b8b$jg1$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In article <6YF5l.2083$Ou7.1070@newsfe24.iad>,
> DaVoice <davoicergp@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>Paul, you have attacked Patti. You have used language such as "bitch",
>>"whore", "dyke", and then say in the same breath that you want to "help
>>her misguided soul".
>
> Has he? I've had him killfiled for so long that I forgot he
> was even around. Judging by what you wrote and quoted, he's
> the same pathetic frothing-at-the-mouth bigot as before.
>

Just for that, see if I try to save YOUR misguided soul anymore, y'bitch.






                 
Date: 28 Dec 2008 00:43:12
From: Clave
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:blG5l.8945$W06.742@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
> "Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
> news:gj7b8b$jg1$1@blue.rahul.net...
>> In article <6YF5l.2083$Ou7.1070@newsfe24.iad>,
>> DaVoice <davoicergp@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Paul, you have attacked Patti. You have used language such as "bitch",
>>>"whore", "dyke", and then say in the same breath that you want to "help
>>>her misguided soul".
>>
>> Has he? I've had him killfiled for so long that I forgot he
>> was even around. Judging by what you wrote and quoted, he's
>> the same pathetic frothing-at-the-mouth bigot as before.
>>
>
> Just for that, see if I try to save YOUR misguided soul anymore, y'bitch.

Such misogynistic anger.

Tell us about your mother, Paul.

Jim




               
Date: 27 Dec 2008 23:44:07
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote in message
news:6YF5l.2083$Ou7.1070@newsfe24.iad...
>

>
> Paul, you have attacked Patti. You have used language such as "bitch",
> "whore", "dyke",


I think you are mistaken. Please get back to me when you know what the fuck
you are talking about, Rick. I'll be praying for you.

By the way. I am not attacking. I am coordinating.




           
Date: 27 Dec 2008 15:41:03
From: Susan
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gj667o$vdo$1@blue.rahul.net...

> Contrast that with the attitudes that atheists get from
> believers. I've never had an atheist knock on my door to talk
> to me about atheism, but I've had zillions of various religions
> show up on my doorstep. Atheists don't preach to me, and no
> atheist has ever tried to convert me. If I could say the same
> thing about religions people, the world would be a better
> place.

Not so here anyways - believers have been called every name including
ignorant, stupid and naive by the atheists here.




     
Date: 27 Dec 2008 01:33:44
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Bill T" <wctom1@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:49558b4d$0$5552$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
> On 12/26/2008 9:17 PM, DaVoice wrote:
>
> <<<snip>>
>
>> There are many "types" of atheists, however most of the atheists I've
>> met,
>> are in fact, people who were raised in a religion, believed in (a) God,
>> in
>> whatever form their religion envisions him/her and then because they were
>> let down by PEOPLE within their faith, turn their back on the Diety and
>> call
>> themselves "Atheists" when in fact, they are just "former (insert
>> religion/denomination/sect here) who were wronged by other PEOPLE, not
>> the
>> Diety they once professed to believe in.
>
>
> I have never believed in a God.
>>
>> True Atheists never believed in a Higher Power. I think most professing
>> Atheists are not Atheists at all, just bitter "ex-believers", and they
>> act
>> worse than REFORMED SMOKERS.
>
> No.
>
>>
>> Why would someone who professes to be an Atheist WANT to try to convince
>> others who believe in a higher power that they're wrong? What do they
>> have
>> to gain or lose by demeaning the belief system of others?
>
> Because it is stupid?
>
>>
>> Christians are taught to "go therefore to the corners of the Earth and
>> spread the Gospel (which translates to "good news") of Jesus Christ". So
>> when Christians "evangelize" they do it because it is what the "handbook"
>> instructs them to do.
>>
>> I don't know of any "Atheist Handbook" that tells Atheists to GO out and
>> demean or defame anyone's beliefs, and it really baffles me why they feel
>> the need to do so.
>
> Atheists only start shooting holes in religious believes when confronted
> by the guys with Official Handbooks.

Atheists spend more time arguing about a God they claim doesn't exist than
people who believe in God. Hell, Patti Beadles is so consumed by hatred
that she includes a message to ridicule religion in the signature line of
every post she makes. I've yet to see any religious person on RGP put a
message to ridicule atheists in the signature line of every post they make.

Irish Mike




      
Date: 27 Dec 2008 00:07:51
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote

> Atheists spend more time arguing about a God they claim doesn't exist than
> people who believe in God. Hell, Patti Beadles is so consumed by hatred
> that she includes a message to ridicule religion in the signature line of
> every post she makes. I've yet to see any religious person on RGP put a
> message to ridicule atheists in the signature line of every post they
> make.
>
> Irish Mike

Mike, I know Patti. We haven't spent time at each others homes, or taken
trips together, or anything like that, but I don't find her to be a "Hater"
of anyone. She doesn't believe in God, and will say so when asked. I think
her sig line was put in there just to piss people off because of all of the
ridicule she takes for her lifestyle.

The difference between you and I is Patti and I, although we're
diametrically opposed in some of our views, we are friends. We IM, E-mail,
and spend time together at ARG events. Patti doesn't need anyone to
"defend" her, so I don't and won't, but I will tell you that there is a lot
more to Patti than being polyamorous and an atheist. She is a very nice
person once you get to know her. Do I agree with her views on religion and
God? NO. Neither does her mother, but her mother likes her, and so do I.

Note to Patti, please don't be pissed at me for "defending you" because
that's not the point of this post. The point is that the close-mindedness
of Mike and Paul when it comes to you baffles me and actually offends me.
You're my friend, for what it's worth, even though we disagree strongly on
some things.

Note to Mike and Paul. You guys are both here professing your Christian
beliefs, yet HATING the person, and not what you perceive as their sins.
That's not from the Christian Playbook. You both may want to re-think your
posts about people, especially those you probably have never met.

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




       
Date: 27 Dec 2008 07:18:37
From: Rev. Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote in message
news:Dnl5l.33131$sC4.11271@newsfe04.iad...
>

>
> Note to Mike and Paul. You guys are both here professing your Christian
> beliefs, yet HATING the person, and not what you perceive as their sins.
> That's not from the Christian Playbook. You both may want to re-think
> your posts about people, especially those you probably have never met.
>

I don't hate anyone here, Rick, you big dope. All I am saying is that if
Patti and I are at the same event someday during some bad weather and a
storm comes in with thunder and lightning, I would prefer that she stay at
least 30 feet away from me. That's all I'm saying. Plus, there is always
time for her to eventually see the light and abandon her wicked ways. In my
ministry, I teach people how to live the clean lifestyle. The Popinjay
Lifestyle. Basically that includes loving and respecting your fellow man,
even if they're fucking idiots. I also recommend not eating pork. That
shit'll kill you.

-Rev. Paul Popinjay










        
Date: 27 Dec 2008 17:37:03
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Rev. Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[no rev]@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:YIr5l.3903$jZ1.386@flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com...
> "DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:Dnl5l.33131$sC4.11271@newsfe04.iad...
>>
>
>>
>> Note to Mike and Paul. You guys are both here professing your Christian
>> beliefs, yet HATING the person, and not what you perceive as their sins.
>> That's not from the Christian Playbook. You both may want to re-think
>> your posts about people, especially those you probably have never met.
>>
>
> I don't hate anyone here, Rick, you big dope. All I am saying is that if
> Patti and I are at the same event someday during some bad weather and a
> storm comes in with thunder and lightning, I would prefer that she stay at
> least 30 feet away from me. That's all I'm saying. Plus, there is always
> time for her to eventually see the light and abandon her wicked ways. In
> my
> ministry, I teach people how to live the clean lifestyle. The Popinjay
> Lifestyle. Basically that includes loving and respecting your fellow man,
> even if they're fucking idiots. I also recommend not eating pork. That
> shit'll kill you.
So why are you constantly sexually abusing Ramsitintheass?




         
Date: 27 Dec 2008 21:24:58
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:3Jt5l.1376$Es4.911@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>
> So why are you constantly sexually abusing Ramsitintheass?

See the crap I have to put up with here? I am the most abused and
mistreated RGPer in all of RGP history.




          
Date: 28 Dec 2008 06:25:57
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:Z4E5l.10904$yr3.2801@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:3Jt5l.1376$Es4.911@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>
>> So why are you constantly sexually abusing Ramsitintheass?
>
> See the crap I have to put up with here? I am the most abused and
> mistreated RGPer in all of RGP history.
What about those videos of you?

>
>




           
Date: 27 Dec 2008 22:32:38
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:VZE5l.1469$Es4.1157@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>

> What about those videos of you?
>

There's no videos of me. There may be some mugshots, but they're still
photographs. What are you talking about, Beldin? Quit being vague and
confusing to me.




            
Date: 28 Dec 2008 08:38:04
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:j4F5l.10913$yr3.4241@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:VZE5l.1469$Es4.1157@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
>>
>
>> What about those videos of you?
>>
>
> There's no videos of me. There may be some mugshots, but they're still
> photographs. What are you talking about, Beldin? Quit being vague and
> confusing to me.
isn't that you in those sex vids on yuvutu.com?

>
>




      
Date: 26 Dec 2008 23:42:38
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27 2008 1:33 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
I've yet to see any religious person on RGP put a
> message to ridicule atheists in the signature line of every post they make.
>
> Irish Mike

Happy Holidays

Atheism is drawing dead

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Date: 26 Dec 2008 23:41:35
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27 2008 1:33 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> I've yet to see any religious person on RGP put a
> message to ridicule atheists in the signature line of every post they make.
>
> Irish Mike

Merry Christmas

Atheism is drawing dead

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Date: 26 Dec 2008 22:48:24
From: Bill T
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On 12/26/2008 10:33 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> Atheists spend more time arguing about a God they claim doesn't exist than
> people who believe in God.

That's because God-belief is the default position in the US. Plus, some
of us wish we could believe in a God, but it just doesn't make sense.


Hell, Patti Beadles is so consumed by hatred
> that she includes a message to ridicule religion in the signature line of
> every post she makes. I've yet to see any religious person on RGP put a
> message to ridicule atheists in the signature line of every post they make.

I've never met Patti, but we were in a short-lived email group a few
years ago. She seemed like a nice person without much hatred.






       
Date: 27 Dec 2008 20:57:20
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Bill T" <wctom1@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:4955949e$0$5539$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...

>
> That's because God-belief is the default position in the US. Plus, some
> of us wish we could believe in a God, but it just doesn't make sense.
>

I seriously question this, and I was pondering this very same question
earlier today. I thought to myself, do atheists wish they could believe in
God but cannot convince themselves logically? Or do they want to remain in
denial of His existence because of their own ego-driven motives? It's an
interesting question. Somebody should start a thread.

-Paul Popinjay




        
Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:16:19
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:57:20 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
<paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

>I seriously question this, and I was pondering this very same question
>earlier today. I thought to myself, do atheists wish they could believe in
>God but cannot convince themselves logically?

Certainly. It's very comforting to believe in God. Who wouldn't
want that? But some people believe that comfort is not a valid
justification for self-delusion.


        
Date: 28 Dec 2008 03:37:41
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:57:20 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
<paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

> I thought to myself, do atheists wish they could believe in
>God but cannot convince themselves logically? Or do they want to remain in
>denial of His existence because of their own ego-driven motives? It's an
>interesting question. Somebody should start a thread.

I think you have it backwards, Paul. I think the belief in an
afterlife is (partly) ego-driven. Most folks just can't stand to think
that they live, they'll die, and that's it.

I also think that it's about their need for justice. If they've done
their best to lead a good life -- and, incidentally, suffered pain and
heartache while doing so -- they want to be rewarded for it (heaven).
Their neighbors who've done bad things to society should get their
just desserts, too (hell).

Sure, I wish I could believe in heaven and a loving god who'll give me
an eternity of happiness. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I
can't wrap my head around religion, ghosts, souls, astrology,
numerology, tarot cards, psychics, or anything mystical. None of it
makes any more sense than leprechauns or the Easter bunny.

Peg


         
Date: 28 Dec 2008 08:27:12
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Peg Smith" <pegsmith777@aol.com > wrote in message
news:7hhel4p85bh048kg4hecnnlojqpfkk5us1@4ax.com...

>
> I think you have it backwards, Paul. I think the belief in an
> afterlife is (partly) ego-driven. Most folks just can't stand to think
> that they live, they'll die, and that's it.
>

Let me look back at what I wrote, and see what's backwards. Uhh, that's
strange, I don't see anything I wrote about an afterlife. Peg, were you
reading someone else's comments when replying to mine?

-PP






         
Date: 28 Dec 2008 06:51:07
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Peg Smith" <pegsmith777@aol.com > wrote in message
news:7hhel4p85bh048kg4hecnnlojqpfkk5us1@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:57:20 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
> <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> I thought to myself, do atheists wish they could believe in
>>God but cannot convince themselves logically? Or do they want to remain
>>in
>>denial of His existence because of their own ego-driven motives? It's an
>>interesting question. Somebody should start a thread.
>
> I think you have it backwards, Paul. I think the belief in an
> afterlife is (partly) ego-driven. Most folks just can't stand to think
> that they live, they'll die, and that's it.

No, it's that atheists can't concieve of a power greater than themselves.
They dictate that God must prove himself to them personally, on their terms
and in their time frame or they claim He does not exist. They have no faith
so they can not believe. And because they do not believe, they ridicule
those who do. That's why atheists like Patti Beadles say that "all
religions are ludicrous and must be ridiculed at every opportunity".

Irish Mike





          
Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:20:29
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 06:51:07 -0500, "Irish Mike"
<mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote:

>They dictate that God must prove himself to them personally, on their terms
>and in their time frame or they claim He does not exist. They have no faith
>so they can not believe.

And without some kind fo proof, what, exactly, is supposed to be the
source of this faith? Our parents taught us? Why are people like
Mike so self-righeous about having faith? As if it's a great thing
to have faith without any evidence to back it up.


         
Date: 28 Dec 2008 03:21:25
From: Arlo-Payne
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28 2008 2:37 AM, Peg Smith wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:57:20 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
> <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > I thought to myself, do atheists wish they could believe in
> >God but cannot convince themselves logically? Or do they want to remain in
> >denial of His existence because of their own ego-driven motives? It's an
> >interesting question. Somebody should start a thread.
>
> I think you have it backwards, Paul. I think the belief in an
> afterlife is (partly) ego-driven. Most folks just can't stand to think
> that they live, they'll die, and that's it.
>
> I also think that it's about their need for justice. If they've done
> their best to lead a good life -- and, incidentally, suffered pain and
> heartache while doing so -- they want to be rewarded for it (heaven).
> Their neighbors who've done bad things to society should get their
> just desserts, too (hell).
>
> Sure, I wish I could believe in heaven and a loving god who'll give me
> an eternity of happiness. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I
> can't wrap my head around religion, ghosts, souls, astrology,
> numerology, tarot cards, psychics, or anything mystical. None of it
> makes any more sense than leprechauns or the Easter bunny.
>
> Peg

Wait wait wait
Are you trying to tell me
THERE IS NO EASTER BUNNY????

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 03:10:56
From: bub
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:57:20 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
<paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
>I seriously question this, and I was pondering this very same question
>earlier today. I thought to myself, do atheists wish they could believe in
>God but cannot convince themselves logically? Or do they want to remain in
>denial of His existence because of their own ego-driven motives? It's an
>interesting question. Somebody should start a thread.
>
>-Paul Popinjay
>
most atheists are people who when faced with people who believe in a
god find themselves very insecure and deride and insult those people
because the can't understand that.
something they don't understand is "stupid" and "not logical" for the
simple fact they feel insecure, kinda like in grade school.


         
Date: 28 Dec 2008 09:14:26
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"bub" <bub@plotuss.com > wrote in message
news:8bgel4pupcnffovmb7iis4l7qhl39hp1mb@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:57:20 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
> <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>I seriously question this, and I was pondering this very same question
>>earlier today. I thought to myself, do atheists wish they could believe
>>in
>>God but cannot convince themselves logically? Or do they want to remain
>>in
>>denial of His existence because of their own ego-driven motives? It's an
>>interesting question. Somebody should start a thread.
>>
>>-Paul Popinjay
>>
> most atheists are people who when faced with people who believe in a
> god find themselves very insecure and deride and insult those people
> because the can't understand that.
> something they don't understand is "stupid" and "not logical" for the
> simple fact they feel insecure, kinda like in grade school.
No, belief in any major religion IS stupid, and not logical.
There's no evidence of an interventionist god of any kind, and tons of
evidence of non-intervention every day.





          
Date: 28 Dec 2008 03:24:02
From: Arlo-Payne
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28 2008 2:14 AM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:

> "bub" <bub@plotuss.com> wrote in message
> news:8bgel4pupcnffovmb7iis4l7qhl39hp1mb@4ax.com...
> > On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:57:20 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
> > <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>I seriously question this, and I was pondering this very same question
> >>earlier today. I thought to myself, do atheists wish they could believe
> >>in
> >>God but cannot convince themselves logically? Or do they want to remain
> >>in
> >>denial of His existence because of their own ego-driven motives? It's an
> >>interesting question. Somebody should start a thread.
> >>
> >>-Paul Popinjay
> >>
> > most atheists are people who when faced with people who believe in a
> > god find themselves very insecure and deride and insult those people
> > because the can't understand that.
> > something they don't understand is "stupid" and "not logical" for the
> > simple fact they feel insecure, kinda like in grade school.
> No, belief in any major religion IS stupid, and not logical.
> There's no evidence of an interventionist god of any kind, and tons of
> evidence of non-intervention every day.
YOU FOOL JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE EVIDENCE THAT DOES NOT MEAN OTHERS
DONT.
Many people without question feel they have all the proof they need.
Understanding that is what you are missing.

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Date: 28 Dec 2008 11:36:12
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Arlo-Payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:i74k26x5i3.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 28 2008 2:14 AM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>
>> "bub" <bub@plotuss.com> wrote in message
>> news:8bgel4pupcnffovmb7iis4l7qhl39hp1mb@4ax.com...
>> > On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:57:20 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
>> > <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>I seriously question this, and I was pondering this very same question
>> >>earlier today. I thought to myself, do atheists wish they could
>> >>believe
>> >>in
>> >>God but cannot convince themselves logically? Or do they want to
>> >>remain
>> >>in
>> >>denial of His existence because of their own ego-driven motives? It's
>> >>an
>> >>interesting question. Somebody should start a thread.
>> >>
>> >>-Paul Popinjay
>> >>
>> > most atheists are people who when faced with people who believe in a
>> > god find themselves very insecure and deride and insult those people
>> > because the can't understand that.
>> > something they don't understand is "stupid" and "not logical" for the
>> > simple fact they feel insecure, kinda like in grade school.
>> No, belief in any major religion IS stupid, and not logical.
>> There's no evidence of an interventionist god of any kind, and tons of
>> evidence of non-intervention every day.
> YOU FOOL JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE EVIDENCE THAT DOES NOT MEAN OTHERS
> DONT.
Sure it does.
If they had it, they'd show it, and eliminate the question.


> Many people without question feel they have all the proof they need.
> Understanding that is what you are missing.
No, they have faith.
Faith is irrational, and therefore stupid.

Belief in a non-interventionist god is a little different. The very
hypothesis denies the possibility of direct evidence.




            
Date: 29 Dec 2008 05:59:42
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Beldin the Sorcerer"

> No, they have faith.
> Faith is irrational, and therefore stupid.

Faith in rationality is a different sort of faith, but faith nonetheless.

> Belief in a non-interventionist god is a little different. The very
> hypothesis denies the possibility of direct evidence.

It's turtles all the way down.




             
Date: 29 Dec 2008 14:02:34
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:bc-dnWm9v4UGJsXURVn_vwA@giganews.com...
> "Beldin the Sorcerer"
>
>> No, they have faith.
>> Faith is irrational, and therefore stupid.
>
> Faith in rationality is a different sort of faith, but faith nonetheless.
Naw. There's a logical construct to it, and it allows you to establish and
verify physical laws.

Faith in an interventionistic god says "all these rules can be trashed at
any time, at the whim of the Almighty.


>
>> Belief in a non-interventionist god is a little different. The very
>> hypothesis denies the possibility of direct evidence.
>
> It's turtles all the way down.
Something came from nothing in this grand thing we live in.

Whether the universe, or something that created the universe, is hard to
say. and harder to prove.




              
Date: 29 Dec 2008 08:29:00
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Beldin the Sorcerer"

>>> No, they have faith.
>>> Faith is irrational, and therefore stupid.
>>
>> Faith in rationality is a different sort of faith, but faith nonetheless.
>
> Naw. There's a logical construct to it, and it allows you to establish and
> verify physical laws.


Faith in logic is a different sort of faith, but faith nonetheless.


> Faith in an interventionistic god says "all these rules can be trashed at
> any time, at the whim of the Almighty.


Ever read "Flatland?"




               
Date: 29 Dec 2008 15:25:41
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:QYqdnaWjT90FQ8XU4p2dnAA@giganews.com...
> "Beldin the Sorcerer"
>
>>>> No, they have faith.
>>>> Faith is irrational, and therefore stupid.
>>>
>>> Faith in rationality is a different sort of faith, but faith
>>> nonetheless.
>>
>> Naw. There's a logical construct to it, and it allows you to establish
>> and verify physical laws.
>
>
> Faith in logic is a different sort of faith, but faith nonetheless.
Only if you completely redefine faith.

>
>
>> Faith in an interventionistic god says "all these rules can be trashed at
>> any time, at the whim of the Almighty.
>
>
> Ever read "Flatland?"
No. I suspect it's out of print.
I know of it, of course. Gardner has referenced it repeatedly.


>
>




        
Date: 28 Dec 2008 00:37:25
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27 2008 11:57 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:

> "Bill T" <wctom1@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:4955949e$0$5539$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>
> >
> > That's because God-belief is the default position in the US. Plus, some
> > of us wish we could believe in a God, but it just doesn't make sense.
> >
>
> I seriously question this, and I was pondering this very same question
> earlier today. I thought to myself, do atheists wish they could believe in
> God but cannot convince themselves logically? Or do they want to remain in
> denial of His existence because of their own ego-driven motives? It's an
> interesting question. Somebody should start a thread.
>
> -Paul Popinjay

Personally, i find almost every atheist to be an egotistical, mental
infant who throws tantrums when displeased or confronted, uses namecalling
and all in all is someone that is beyond repair by myself.

Only god can help an atheist and i think they are at the bottom of his
list.

Atheism is drawing dead

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Date: 27 Dec 2008 01:56:50
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:48:24 -0800, Bill T <wctom1@pacbell.net > wrote:

>On 12/26/2008 10:33 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>>
>> Atheists spend more time arguing about a God they claim doesn't exist than
>> people who believe in God.
>
>That's because God-belief is the default position in the US. Plus, some
>of us wish we could believe in a God, but it just doesn't make sense.

Also, because believers go on faith, so they see nothing to argue
about. Why would they argue something they perceive as unarguable?


        
Date: 27 Dec 2008 21:22:42
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid > wrote in message
>
> Also, because believers go on faith, so they see nothing to argue
> about. Why would they argue something they perceive as unarguable?


Frankly, I don't think it is just faith. I look around me, and I see signs
of God everywhere I look. I can rationally conclude that people who are
blind to His existence, are actually just pretty fucking stupid. I don't
know what else to say.

-PP




         
Date: 27 Dec 2008 21:27:50
From: Clave
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:Y2E5l.10903$yr3.8923@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>>
>> Also, because believers go on faith, so they see nothing to argue
>> about. Why would they argue something they perceive as unarguable?
>
>
> Frankly, I don't think it is just faith. I look around me, and I see
> signs of God everywhere I look. I can rationally conclude that people who
> are blind to His existence, are actually just pretty fucking stupid. I
> don't know what else to say.

This one's getting pretty played, don't you think?

Jim




          
Date: 27 Dec 2008 21:34:37
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
>
> This one's getting pretty played, don't you think?
>

That's my thoughts on it. And I'm going to continue to think like that,
until the cows come home. If anything is getting "pretty played", it is
your one-liners lacking in substance. I call it how I see it. I'm a
believer, and you're not. In my mind, I see God everywhere. You don't.
I'm perceptive enough, and you aren't.

Christmas is over now and the feeling of joy in the air is gone. So go fuck
yourself.







           
Date: 27 Dec 2008 21:52:00
From: Clave
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:teE5l.10906$yr3.5755@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>
>> This one's getting pretty played, don't you think?
>>
>
> That's my thoughts on it...

Don't patronize me, you fictional fuckhead.

If those *were* your thoughts on it, you'd have let it go long ago when
"played" was apparent to everyone else. The Hannukah angle was especially
cheap, BTW.

Jim




            
Date: 27 Dec 2008 22:03:23
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
>
> Don't patronize me, you fictional fuckhead.
>
> If those *were* your thoughts on it, you'd have let it go long ago when
> "played" was apparent to everyone else. The Hannukah angle was especially
> cheap, BTW.
>

So now you're suggesting that I don't believe in God? Fuck you, Clave,
you're a piece of shit whether you're an atheist or a believer. You could
tell me you're a good Christian, you're still a piece of shit to me. Btw
back at you, the "Hannukah" point was right on the money, just like most
everything I post about. It's all about hating Christians, but not "cool"
to talk shit about other religions. I made my point, and you cannot refute
it, bitch. Call it cheap, but call it correct. I am correct. As usual.
o0o




             
Date: 27 Dec 2008 22:07:45
From: Clave
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:rFE5l.10908$yr3.6185@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
>>
>> Don't patronize me, you fictional fuckhead.
>>
>> If those *were* your thoughts on it, you'd have let it go long ago when
>> "played" was apparent to everyone else. The Hannukah angle was
>> especially cheap, BTW.
>>
>
> So now you're suggesting that I don't believe in God?

So now you're reduced (once again) to putting words in my mouth.

I have a suggestion for your resolution list.

Suck less at this.

Jim




              
Date: 27 Dec 2008 22:14:32
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message news:Uv-

>> So now you're suggesting that I don't believe in God?
>
> So now you're reduced (once again) to putting words in my mouth.
>

Then what did you mean by "if those *were* my thoughts" on it, fuck face?
That's what I said my thoughts were, didn't I? I said I see God everywhere
I look. THAT'S my thoughts. If I misunderstood you and you think I'm
putting words in your mouth, that's because you are constantly unclear on
what the fuck you're talking about. Spit it out, bitch, and no one will
misconstrue you.





               
Date: 27 Dec 2008 22:19:40
From: Clave
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:oPE5l.10909$yr3.59@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message news:Uv-
>
>>> So now you're suggesting that I don't believe in God?
>>
>> So now you're reduced (once again) to putting words in my mouth.
>>
>
> Then what did you mean by "if those *were* my thoughts" on it, fuck face?
> That's what I said my thoughts were, didn't I? I said I see God
> everywhere I look...

You see things you don't understand everywhere you look. (That's more
apparent than you think.)

Not everyone calls those things "God". You're perfectly free to, though.
I'm an atheist, but I'm not evangelical about it.

Jim




                
Date: 27 Dec 2008 22:26:04
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message news:aM6dnXen-
>
> You see things you don't understand everywhere you look. (That's more
> apparent than you think.)
>
> Not everyone calls those things "God". You're perfectly free to, though.
> I'm an atheist, but I'm not evangelical about it.
>


So what's the argument then? There's no debate about it. In you're mind
you're right, in my mind I'm right. I also expressed my belief that you
people do not recognize God's existence because I think you are really
fucking stupid. I'm not saying that as an insult. That is what I really
truly believe. I think atheists are stupid. That's my sincere belief.
Doesn't mean they're necessarily bad people. They're just stupid people.





                 
Date: 27 Dec 2008 22:49:32
From: Clave
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:Q_E5l.10911$yr3.10211@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message
> news:aM6dnXen-
>>
>> You see things you don't understand everywhere you look. (That's more
>> apparent than you think.)
>>
>> Not everyone calls those things "God". You're perfectly free to, though.
>> I'm an atheist, but I'm not evangelical about it.
>
> So what's the argument then? There's no debate about it. In you're mind
> you're right, in my mind I'm right...

You can't talk about this without lying to yourself about what other people
say and think, and that's just sad, even if you are just trolling.

What does your holy book have to say about intellectual honesty?

Jim




                  
Date: 27 Dec 2008 23:32:38
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote in message
>
> You can't talk about this without lying to yourself about what other
> people
> say and think, and that's just sad, even if you are just trolling.
>
> What does your holy book have to say about intellectual honesty?
>

Clave, I am not a troll, and I have admitted that I am not well-read in the
Bible. I believe in God. I recognize persecution of Christians when I see
it. That's good enough for me, so fuck you. Don't talk to me anymore.
It's difficult for me to follow where you're going sometimes and I think you
are trying to confuse me on purpose. I don't like that shit.




                   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 23:56:37
From: Clave
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:QYF5l.8943$W06.2921@flpi148.ffdc.sbc.com...
> "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com> wrote in message

<... >

>> What does your holy book have to say about intellectual honesty?
>>
>
> Clave, I am not a troll, and I have admitted that I am not well-read in
> the Bible...


So with regard to intellectual honesty, you have no excuse.

Jim




       
Date: 27 Dec 2008 03:00:05
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Bill T" <wctom1@pacbell.net > wrote in message
news:4955949e$0$5539$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
> On 12/26/2008 10:33 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>>
>> Atheists spend more time arguing about a God they claim doesn't exist
>> than
>> people who believe in God.
>
> That's because God-belief is the default position in the US. Plus, some
> of us wish we could believe in a God, but it just doesn't make sense.

That's because you have no faith.
>
>
> Hell, Patti Beadles is so consumed by hatred
>> that she includes a message to ridicule religion in the signature line of
>> every post she makes. I've yet to see any religious person on RGP put a
>> message to ridicule atheists in the signature line of every post they
>> make.
>
> I've never met Patti, but we were in a short-lived email group a few years
> ago. She seemed like a nice person without much hatred.

I've never met the woman. My opinion of her is based on what she posts on
RGP.
And when she says that all religions should be ridiculed at every
opportunity, and includes that in every post she makes - it sounds like hate
to me.

Irish Mike
>
>
>
>




        
Date: 27 Dec 2008 00:03:33
From: Clave
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:Mbl5l.9832$D32.1238@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
>
> "Bill T" <wctom1@pacbell.net> wrote in message
> news:4955949e$0$5539$9a6e19ea@news.newshosting.com...
>> On 12/26/2008 10:33 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>>>
>>> Atheists spend more time arguing about a God they claim doesn't exist
>>> than
>>> people who believe in God.
>>
>> That's because God-belief is the default position in the US. Plus, some
>> of us wish we could believe in a God, but it just doesn't make sense.
>
> That's because you have no faith.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Jim




  
Date: 26 Dec 2008 07:39:06
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gj2833$3hc$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In article <or1e26xh8c.ln2@recgroups.com>,
> La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
>>do anything they wanted to do.
>
> But didn't make them smart enough not to fuck things up? That
> seems short-sighted.
>

Ha! Look at this. The whip artist is talking about people fucking things
up. Who's fucking it up more than people like her? If there were more
decent Christians in the world, it would be a MUCH better place. It's y'all
non-Christians who are fucking it up. Sick immoral freaks.

-Paul Popinjay





   
Date: 26 Dec 2008 21:30:40
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:KQ65l.9789$D32.5051@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
> "Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
> news:gj2833$3hc$1@blue.rahul.net...
>> In article <or1e26xh8c.ln2@recgroups.com>,
>> La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>>God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
>>>do anything they wanted to do.
>>
>> But didn't make them smart enough not to fuck things up? That
>> seems short-sighted.
>>
>
> Ha! Look at this. The whip artist is talking about people fucking things
> up. Who's fucking it up more than people like her? If there were more
> decent Christians in the world, it would be a MUCH better place. It's
> y'all
> non-Christians who are fucking it up. Sick immoral freaks.
>
> -Paul Popinjay

Paul... I've gotta jump in here. There are plenty of CHRISTIANS who are
"fucking it up" and are "sick immoral freaks" as well. I believe you can
be a "fuck-up" and a Christian, the two aren't mutually exclusive. I just
don't understand why non-believers have to go to the extent they do to try
and DISPROVE and DEMEAN the believers.

The World would be a much better place if believers and non-believers alike
would practice the Golden Rule.

You know which side of the fence I'm on. I've never done anything but
proclaim my belief in a living God, who took the form of a human (Jesus) and
was the promised Jewish Messiah, who FULLFILLED the Jewish Laws and
Prophecies. We don't have to do ritual animal sacrifices, or many of the
things spelled out in traditional Jewish Law to commune with God because
Jesus was the ULTIMATE SACRIFICE, and all people can call upon him and have
a life everlasting in communion with God.

I don't "conform" to what many Churches say I should, but Churches are/were
created by MAN, Christianity was created by God. I have a relationship with
God through Christ and believe that I will have an everlasting life in
communion with God due to the sacrifice made by Jesus Christ, who I believe
is the true "Jewish Messiah".

I'm not going on the offensive to attack Atheists, but fail to see the logic
or sense of Atheists attacking or going on the offensive against (insert
religion here), which they seem to be wont to do at every turn. I just pray
for them. Remember the bible says (paraphrased) "love your enemies, it is
like pouring a bucket of burning coals on their heads".

I believe in hating the SIN, not the SINNER, since we "all have sinned and
fallen short of the Glory of God".

RC

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




  
Date: 26 Dec 2008 07:00:04
From:
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 26, 5:35=A0am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "Patti Beadles" <pat...@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
>
> news:gj2833$3hc$1@blue.rahul.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <or1e26xh8c....@recgroups.com>,
> > La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >>God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity t=
o
> >>do anything they wanted to do.
>
> > But didn't make them smart enough not to fuck things up? =A0That
> > seems short-sighted.
>
> >>Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
> >>quite high.
>
> > Mathematically speaking, the likelihood of your deity existing
> > is just a hair above zero.
>
> > -Patti
> > --
> > Patti Beadles, =A0 =A0Oakland, CA


   
Date: 26 Dec 2008 10:57:58
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

<trangers16@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:4ba4d328-7868-4e37-b04d-903842c5ce4d@z27g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 26, 5:35 am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "Patti Beadles" <pat...@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
>
> news:gj2833$3hc$1@blue.rahul.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <or1e26xh8c....@recgroups.com>,
> > La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >>God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
> >>do anything they wanted to do.
>
> > But didn't make them smart enough not to fuck things up? That
> > seems short-sighted.
>
> >>Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
> >>quite high.
>
> > Mathematically speaking, the likelihood of your deity existing
> > is just a hair above zero.
>
> > -Patti
> > --
> > Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


   
Date: 26 Dec 2008 07:13:28
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
<trangers16@hotmail.com > wrote in message news:4ba4d328-7868-4e37-b04d-

> Great Post Mike, I can tell you've been holding all your bitterness in
> for Xmas, and I appreciate you waited until the 26th to unleash it.

> Is this how you really talk? You seem like a sad old man.


What bitterness? You seldom post here, yet you've got nothing better to do
than attack Mike today, the day after Christmas? What is this shit? You
miserable atheists are coming out of the woodwork this morning to attack God
and religion, and there's still turkey and cranberry sauce left over in
everyone's refrigerator. You people are too much. You hate God, you hate
Christianity, yet you crash the party by celebrating Christmas anyway. I
mean, you call Mike a bitter old man, but how miserable is THAT of YOU?
What the fuck is your problem? I don't see why you non-religious fucks
don't just wait until New Years to get your jollies. It's only a week
afterward, don't you have any patience?

-PP




    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 06:25:04
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28, 5:56=A0am, Tom White <tomina...@bulldogcountry.com > wrote:
> Bob T. <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:
> > Let me ask you something, bub. =A0How would you feel if you went down t=
o
> > the local courthouse and there on the wall was "There is no God but
> > Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet"? =A0Oh yeah, and you're being sued
> > by a Muslim. =A0Good luck in court!
>
> Wait a generation and ask the Europeans. Those poor saps are buying
> the line that religion is not only irrelevant but a hindrance to
> civilization, so they're abandoning traditional Western religions.

Indeed. All the traditional Western religions have been replaced by
Abrahamic monotheism imported from the Middle East. Hardly anyone
worships Odin any more, and the New Age druids don't really worship in
the old Celtic way.

- Bob T.


    
Date: 27 Dec 2008 00:37:42
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 07:13:28 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
<paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

> What is this shit? You
>miserable atheists are coming out of the woodwork this morning to attack God
>and religion

Don't worry Paul, if there's a God, He can take care of Himself.


    
Date: 26 Dec 2008 15:04:32
From: MZB
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
Paul:

Quit sucking Mike's dick and it's time to stop believing in your God-Damn
Fairy Tales.

Mel
"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote in message
news:os65l.9787$D32.5460@flpi146.ffdc.sbc.com...
> <trangers16@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4ba4d328-7868-4e37-b04d-
>
>> Great Post Mike, I can tell you've been holding all your bitterness in
>> for Xmas, and I appreciate you waited until the 26th to unleash it.
>
>> Is this how you really talk? You seem like a sad old man.
>
>
> What bitterness? You seldom post here, yet you've got nothing better to
> do than attack Mike today, the day after Christmas? What is this shit?
> You miserable atheists are coming out of the woodwork this morning to
> attack God and religion, and there's still turkey and cranberry sauce left
> over in everyone's refrigerator. You people are too much. You hate God,
> you hate Christianity, yet you crash the party by celebrating Christmas
> anyway. I mean, you call Mike a bitter old man, but how miserable is THAT
> of YOU? What the fuck is your problem? I don't see why you non-religious
> fucks don't just wait until New Years to get your jollies. It's only a
> week afterward, don't you have any patience?
>
> -PP
>




    
Date: 26 Dec 2008 08:44:56
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 26 2008 10:13 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:

> <trangers16@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:4ba4d328-7868-4e37-b04d-
>
> > Great Post Mike, I can tell you've been holding all your bitterness in
> > for Xmas, and I appreciate you waited until the 26th to unleash it.
>
> > Is this how you really talk? You seem like a sad old man.
>
>
> What bitterness? You seldom post here, yet you've got nothing better to do
> than attack Mike today, the day after Christmas? What is this shit? You
> miserable atheists are coming out of the woodwork this morning to attack God
> and religion, and there's still turkey and cranberry sauce left over in
> everyone's refrigerator. You people are too much. You hate God, you hate
> Christianity, yet you crash the party by celebrating Christmas anyway. I
> mean, you call Mike a bitter old man, but how miserable is THAT of YOU?
> What the fuck is your problem? I don't see why you non-religious fucks
> don't just wait until New Years to get your jollies. It's only a week
> afterward, don't you have any patience?

Christmas is over. Get over it, troll.

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Date: 26 Dec 2008 09:03:50
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:89ef26xmvf.ln2@recgroups.com...

>
> Christmas is over. Get over it, troll.
>

Sounds like SOMEONE didn't get all they asked Santa for this year. Santa
knows if little boys have been good or not. Maybe he was in a hurry this
year and when he got close to your chimney told Dancer and Prancer to just
skip that atheist fuck this time.




  
Date: 26 Dec 2008 04:21:07
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 26, 3:35=A0am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "Patti Beadles" <pat...@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
>
> news:gj2833$3hc$1@blue.rahul.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <or1e26xh8c....@recgroups.com>,
> > La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >>God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity t=
o
> >>do anything they wanted to do.
>
> > But didn't make them smart enough not to fuck things up? =A0That
> > seems short-sighted.
>
> >>Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
> >>quite high.
>
> > Mathematically speaking, the likelihood of your deity existing
> > is just a hair above zero.
>
> > -Patti
> > --
> > Patti Beadles, =A0 =A0Oakland, CA


   
Date: 26 Dec 2008 09:27:19
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 26, 8:40=A0am, Travel <nine...@webtv.net > wrote:
> BobTard, do you suppose, for just one day a year, you could not be a
> slimy hypocrite with your phony indignation.
>
> You're posting in another tizzy fit, because you're supporting someone
> who's slamming religion.
>
> And yet, as the asshole that you are, you're deceitfully not even
> mentioning your religion bigotry, which is the motivation for your
> butting in. You're a weasel pretending that Patty Beatles is a damsel
> in distress and you're the gay hero defending her honor.
>
> Who's going to defend everyone else from Pattie Beatolls?
>
> Most people are offended by religion bigots like you and Patti Beetals.
> End of story. You're wrong.
>
> You two should try to have more tolerance for the American christians
> who make up 80% of the population in this country. Especially around
> Chistmas time.
>
> You should work on your judgmental attitudes and bigotry.
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Posted via the -Web to Usenet- forums athttp://www.pokermagazine.com
> Visitwww.pokermagazine.com

Tee-hee. The only thing missing from this rant was an accusation of
tent-sharing.

Merry Christmas, Travel Thanks for the amusement value this year.

- Bob T.


   
Date: 26 Dec 2008 10:40:19
From: Travel
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
BobTard, do you suppose, for just one day a year, you could not be a
slimy hypocrite with your phony indignation.

You're posting in another tizzy fit, because you're supporting someone
who's slamming religion.

And yet, as the asshole that you are, you're deceitfully not even
mentioning your religion bigotry, which is the motivation for your
butting in. You're a weasel pretending that Patty Beatles is a damsel
in distress and you're the gay hero defending her honor.

Who's going to defend everyone else from Pattie Beatolls?

Most people are offended by religion bigots like you and Patti Beetals.
End of story. You're wrong.

You two should try to have more tolerance for the American christians
who make up 80% of the population in this country. Especially around
Chistmas time.

You should work on your judgmental attitudes and bigotry.

_________________________________________________________
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Visit www.pokermagazine.com


   
Date: 26 Dec 2008 06:44:19
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message news:2de15bcf-8de5-4f38-b152-

> Seriously, Mike, do you wait around looking for Patti to post
> something so you can call her a dyke and a bitch? It seems like
> almost every time she posts something, you jump in with another one of
> your miserable insulting posts.


Kinda like you're doing with Mike right now, fuck face?




    
Date: 26 Dec 2008 08:43:28
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 26 2008 9:44 AM, Paul Popinjay wrote:

> "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message news:2de15bcf-8de5-4f38-b152-
>
> > Seriously, Mike, do you wait around looking for Patti to post
> > something so you can call her a dyke and a bitch? It seems like
> > almost every time she posts something, you jump in with another one of
> > your miserable insulting posts.
>
>
> Kinda like you're doing with Mike right now, fuck face?

Shut the fuck up, Popinjay. You're being an asshole.

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Date: 26 Dec 2008 08:59:27
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Paul Popinjay"

> "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
> news:2de15bcf-8de5-4f38-b152-
>
>> Seriously, Mike, do you wait around looking for Patti to post
>> something so you can call her a dyke and a bitch? It seems like
>> almost every time she posts something, you jump in with another one of
>> your miserable insulting posts.
>
>
> Kinda like you're doing with Mike right now, fuck face?

Sometimes, Bob does exactly what you say he does.
Sometimes, Mike does exactly what Bob says he does.
Sometimes, you do what you say they are doing.
I might be guilty right now of doing the same thing.

All my life's a circle;
Sunrise and sundown;
Moon rolls thru the nighttime;
Till the daybreak comes around.

All my life's a circle;
But I can't tell you why;
Season's spinning round again;
The years keep rollin' by.

It seems like I've been here before;
I can't remember when;
But I have this funny feeling;
That we'll all be together again.
No straight lines make up my life;
And all my roads have bends;
There's no clear-cut beginnings;
And so far no dead-ends.




     
Date: 26 Dec 2008 10:51:25
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:OpWdnR5nLtTPbMnURVn_vwA@giganews.com...
> "Paul Popinjay"
>
>> "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
>> news:2de15bcf-8de5-4f38-b152-
>>
>>> Seriously, Mike, do you wait around looking for Patti to post
>>> something so you can call her a dyke and a bitch? It seems like
>>> almost every time she posts something, you jump in with another one of
>>> your miserable insulting posts.
>>
>>
>> Kinda like you're doing with Mike right now, fuck face?
>
> Sometimes, Bob does exactly what you say he does.
> Sometimes, Mike does exactly what Bob says he does.
> Sometimes, you do what you say they are doing.
> I might be guilty right now of doing the same thing.
>
> All my life's a circle;
> Sunrise and sundown;
> Moon rolls thru the nighttime;
> Till the daybreak comes around.
>
> All my life's a circle;
> But I can't tell you why;
> Season's spinning round again;
> The years keep rollin' by.
>
> It seems like I've been here before;
> I can't remember when;
> But I have this funny feeling;
> That we'll all be together again.
> No straight lines make up my life;
> And all my roads have bends;
> There's no clear-cut beginnings;
> And so far no dead-ends.

It's not the poker or politics that make RGP so appealing - it's the poetry.

Irish Mike





     
Date: 26 Dec 2008 07:17:29
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:OpWdnR5nLtTPbMnURVn_vwA@giganews.com...

>
> Sometimes, Bob does exactly what you say he does.
> Sometimes, Mike does exactly what Bob says he does.
> Sometimes, you do what you say they are doing.
> I might be guilty right now of doing the same thing.
>
> All my life's a circle;
> Sunrise and sundown;
> Moon rolls thru the nighttime;
> Till the daybreak comes around.
>
> All my life's a circle;
> But I can't tell you why;
> Season's spinning round again;
> The years keep rollin' by.
>
> It seems like I've been here before;
> I can't remember when;
> But I have this funny feeling;
> That we'll all be together again.
> No straight lines make up my life;
> And all my roads have bends;
> There's no clear-cut beginnings;
> And so far no dead-ends.

Oh can it, leftover turkey and cranberry sauce breath!




   
Date: 26 Dec 2008 08:01:46
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message
news:2de15bcf-8de5-4f38-b152-9ba63fb22225@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 26, 3:35 am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "Patti Beadles" <pat...@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
>
> news:gj2833$3hc$1@blue.rahul.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <or1e26xh8c....@recgroups.com>,
> > La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >>God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
> >>do anything they wanted to do.
>
> > But didn't make them smart enough not to fuck things up? That
> > seems short-sighted.
>
> >>Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
> >>quite high.
>
> > Mathematically speaking, the likelihood of your deity existing
> > is just a hair above zero.
>
> > -Patti
> > --
> > Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


    
Date: 26 Dec 2008 14:42:39
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
Did your momma raise you to pick on girls then whine, "She started it"?


On Dec 26 2008 8:01 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
> news:2de15bcf-8de5-4f38-b152-9ba63fb22225@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 26, 3:35 am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
> > "Patti Beadles" <pat...@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
> >
> > news:gj2833$3hc$1@blue.rahul.net...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article <or1e26xh8c....@recgroups.com>,
> > > La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > >>God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
> > >>do anything they wanted to do.
> >
> > > But didn't make them smart enough not to fuck things up? That
> > > seems short-sighted.
> >
> > >>Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
> > >>quite high.
> >
> > > Mathematically speaking, the likelihood of your deity existing
> > > is just a hair above zero.
> >
> > > -Patti
> > > --
> > > Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


    
Date: 26 Dec 2008 08:42:07
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 26 2008 8:01 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message
> news:2de15bcf-8de5-4f38-b152-9ba63fb22225@o4g2000pra.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 26, 3:35 am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
> > "Patti Beadles" <pat...@green.rahul.net> wrote in message
> >
> > news:gj2833$3hc$1@blue.rahul.net...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > In article <or1e26xh8c....@recgroups.com>,
> > > La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > >>God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
> > >>do anything they wanted to do.
> >
> > > But didn't make them smart enough not to fuck things up? That
> > > seems short-sighted.
> >
> > >>Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
> > >>quite high.
> >
> > > Mathematically speaking, the likelihood of your deity existing
> > > is just a hair above zero.
> >
> > > -Patti
> > > --
> > > Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


  
Date: 26 Dec 2008 06:35:04
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gj2833$3hc$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In article <or1e26xh8c.ln2@recgroups.com>,
> La Cosa Nostradamus <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
>>do anything they wanted to do.
>
> But didn't make them smart enough not to fuck things up? That
> seems short-sighted.
>
>>Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
>>quite high.
>
> Mathematically speaking, the likelihood of your deity existing
> is just a hair above zero.
>
> -Patti
> --
> Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


   
Date: 29 Dec 2008 08:00:35
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 29, 7:25=A0am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldin...@verizon.net >
wrote:
> "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:QYqdnaWjT90FQ8XU4p2dnAA@giganews.com...> "Beldin the Sorcerer"
>
> >>>> No, they have faith.
> >>>> Faith is irrational, and therefore stupid.
>
> >>> Faith in rationality is a different sort of faith, but faith
> >>> nonetheless.
>
> >> Naw. There's a logical construct to it, and it allows you to establish
> >> and verify physical laws.
>
> > Faith in logic is a different sort of faith, but faith nonetheless.
>
> Only if you completely redefine faith.
>
>
>
> >> Faith in an interventionistic god says "all these rules can be trashed=
at
> >> any time, at the whim of the Almighty.
>
> > Ever read "Flatland?"
>
> No. I suspect it's out of print.
> I know of it, of course. Gardner has referenced it repeatedly.

Flatland is certainly still in print - you can find several editions
on Amazon. You can also find the "sequel" Sphereland, as well as
something I haven't read called "Flatterland".

- Bob T.
>
>
>
> - Hide quoted text -
>
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Date: 30 Dec 2008 03:48:29
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message
news:ea539287-ec51-4fed-877c-07dcdc491d9c@p2g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 29, 7:25 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldin...@verizon.net >
wrote:
> "da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:QYqdnaWjT90FQ8XU4p2dnAA@giganews.com...> "Beldin the Sorcerer"
>
> >>>> No, they have faith.
> >>>> Faith is irrational, and therefore stupid.
>
> >>> Faith in rationality is a different sort of faith, but faith
> >>> nonetheless.
>
> >> Naw. There's a logical construct to it, and it allows you to establish
> >> and verify physical laws.
>
> > Faith in logic is a different sort of faith, but faith nonetheless.
>
> Only if you completely redefine faith.
>
>
>
> >> Faith in an interventionistic god says "all these rules can be trashed
> >> at
> >> any time, at the whim of the Almighty.
>
> > Ever read "Flatland?"
>
> No. I suspect it's out of print.
> I know of it, of course. Gardner has referenced it repeatedly.

Flatland is certainly still in print - you can find several editions
on Amazon. You can also find the "sequel" Sphereland, as well as
something I haven't read called "Flatterland".

I'll have to look into it.

You read the various Gardner articles (SA columns, available in his various
books) on it?

Some fascinating 2d possible technologies.





   
Date: 29 Dec 2008 03:49:00
From: cappeca
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
Arlo-Payne wrote:
>
> YOU FOOL JUST BECAUSE YOU DONT HAVE EVIDENCE THAT DOES NOT MEAN OTHERS
> DONT.

Wait, what? Doesn't that actually goes AGAINST the very concept of
"evidence"???



   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 04:19:35
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28, 3:51=A0am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "Peg Smith" <pegsmith...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7hhel4p85bh048kg4hecnnlojqpfkk5us1@4ax.com...
>
> > On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 20:57:20 -0800, "Paul Popinjay"
> > <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >> I thought to myself, do atheists wish they could believe in
> >>God but cannot convince themselves logically? =A0Or do they want to rem=
ain
> >>in
> >>denial of His existence because of their own ego-driven motives? =A0It'=
s an
> >>interesting question. =A0Somebody should start a thread.
>
> > I think you have it backwards, Paul. I think the belief in an
> > afterlife is (partly) ego-driven. Most folks just can't stand to think
> > that they live, they'll die, and that's it.
>
> No, it's that atheists can't concieve of a power greater than themselves.

Of course we can "conceive" of it, you idiot. We just think it's a
silly concept, like believing that Thor causes thunder with his mighty
hammer.

> They dictate that God must prove himself to them personally, on their ter=
ms
> and in their time frame or they claim He does not exist. =A0They have no =
faith
> so they can not believe. =A0And because they do not believe, they ridicul=
e
> those who do. =A0That's why atheists like Patti Beadles say that "all
> religions are ludicrous and must be ridiculed at every opportunity".

Look! Up in the sky - there's Thor making thunder! You can't see
him? You have no faith.

- Bob T.



>
> Irish Mike



   
Date: 28 Dec 2008 04:16:34
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 28, 1:00=A0am, bub <b...@plotuss.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 13:39:37 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
>
> <b...@synapse-cs.com> wrote:
> >We atheists do, however, think it's inappropriate for you to put up
> >placards bearing quotations from your religious books in government
> >buildings that we all share.
>
> http://www.ushistory.org/Declaration/document/index.htm
>
> http://candst.tripod.com/tnppage/arg8.htm
>
> http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html

Yes, our government frequently violates its own constitution when it
comes to establishing a religion. Thanks for the examples, bub (the
DOI doesn't count - it predates our nation's existence.)

Let me ask you something, bub. How would you feel if you went down to
the local courthouse and there on the wall was "There is no God but
Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet"? Oh yeah, and you're being sued
by a Muslim. Good luck in court!

- Bob T.


    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 10:37:13
From: bub
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sun, 28 Dec 2008 04:16:34 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
<bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote:

>Yes, our government frequently violates its own constitution when it
>comes to establishing a religion. Thanks for the examples, bub (the
>DOI doesn't count - it predates our nation's existence.)

what religion is that? buddhism? hinduism?christianity? off the top of
my head, i can't think of where our government "comes to establishing
a religion".god,creator etc. is mentioned, but what god?




>Let me ask you something, bub. How would you feel if you went down to
>the local courthouse and there on the wall was "There is no God but
>Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet"? Oh yeah, and you're being sued
>by a Muslim. Good luck in court!

again, off the top of my head, i can't think of any courthouse that
has "there is no god but jesus,buddah,thor etc" the only ones i can
think of say god, not a particular religion. unless you mean a
nativity scene for christmas.




    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 13:56:32
From: Tom White
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
Bob T. <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote:
> Let me ask you something, bub. How would you feel if you went down to
> the local courthouse and there on the wall was "There is no God but
> Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet"? Oh yeah, and you're being sued
> by a Muslim. Good luck in court!

Wait a generation and ask the Europeans. Those poor saps are buying
the line that religion is not only irrelevant but a hindrance to
civilization, so they're abandoning traditional Western religions.

But the Europeans' courthouse experiences under Islam will be much
more pleasant than the Cambodians' under Pol Pot's atheistic rule:

The Khmer Rouge leadership boasted over the state-controlled radio
that only one or two million people were needed to build the new
agrarian communist utopia. As for the others, as their proverb put
it, "To keep you is no benefit, to destroy you is no loss."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot

In case I'm underestimating the chance of European secular wimps
standing up to Greater Islam, I wish the Europeans "Good luck" on
their SFATs (Subsistence Farming Aptitude Test).


     
Date: 28 Dec 2008 08:18:30
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"Tom White" <tominator@bulldogcountry.com > wrote in message
news:gj80ig$40k$1@nntp.msstate.edu...

>
> Wait a generation and ask the Europeans. Those poor saps are buying
> the line that religion is not only irrelevant but a hindrance to
> civilization, so they're abandoning traditional Western religions.
>
> But the Europeans' courthouse experiences under Islam will be much
> more pleasant than the Cambodians' under Pol Pot's atheistic rule:
>
> The Khmer Rouge leadership boasted over the state-controlled radio
> that only one or two million people were needed to build the new
> agrarian communist utopia. As for the others, as their proverb put
> it, "To keep you is no benefit, to destroy you is no loss."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_Pot
>

Thanks for the link, and believe it or not, it may have been necessary. I
remember a few years ago on RGP, when I brought up something about Pol Pot
to Tanya, FellKnight's little girlie friend. She didn't know what the fuck
a pol pot was. Here she was, a grown woman, kids, a business, traveling the
country, but was too clueless to know what happened in 1975. It's difficult
for me to realize that that was over 30 years ago. Seems like the other
day. I personally know several Cambodians who were lucky enough to get out
while they were children and now they are adult in this country. Some lost
their whole families. This is something that really urks me when people
like Chris Robin ridicule me for "seeing communists under every bed", and he
is serious about that shit. I'm telling you, Tom, these youngsters don't
know. They just don't know. Do we have to have a major transformation of
America, pol pot-style, before they understand history? That shit can
happen here as it can happen anywhere.

-PP




      
Date: 28 Dec 2008 18:27:40
From: Tom White
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> ... I personally know several Cambodians who were lucky enough to get out
> while they were children and now they are adult in this country. Some lost
> their whole families...

Here they face the daily horror of seeing "In God We Trust" on coins.
Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

> ... I'm telling you, Tom, these youngsters don't
> know. They just don't know. Do we have to have a major transformation of
> America, pol pot-style, before they understand history? That shit can
> happen here as it can happen anywhere.

It's a puzzlement how the recent history of atheistic regimes
misleads us about the desirability of a religion-free society.


       
Date: 28 Dec 2008 10:45:43
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Tom White" <tominator@bulldogcountry.com > wrote in message
news:gj8ges$fqi$1@nntp.msstate.edu...
> Paul Popinjay <paulpopinjay@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> ... I personally know several Cambodians who were lucky enough to get out
>> while they were children and now they are adult in this country. Some
>> lost
>> their whole families...
>
> Here they face the daily horror of seeing "In God We Trust" on coins.
> Out of the frying pan, into the fire.
>
>> ... I'm telling you, Tom, these youngsters don't
>> know. They just don't know. Do we have to have a major transformation
>> of
>> America, pol pot-style, before they understand history? That shit can
>> happen here as it can happen anywhere.
>
> It's a puzzlement how the recent history of atheistic regimes
> misleads us about the desirability of a religion-free society.


Marx wasn't just jiving around when he spoke of the "opiate of the people".
This is KEY to their plan, whether it be by the communists or any other
similarly evil planners. Turn our traditions and values upsidedown, destroy
people's faith in God, and replace it with faith in the State. It is all
unfolding so quickly right before my very eyes, at such a brisk pace that it
really has me frightened of seeing the worst of times in my very own life,
not just some nebulous point in the distant future.

-PP




     
Date: 28 Dec 2008 09:08:29
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On 28 Dec 2008 13:56:32 GMT, Tom White <tominator@bulldogcountry.com >
wrote:

>In case I'm underestimating the chance of European secular wimps
>standing up to Greater Islam, I wish the Europeans "Good luck" on
>their SFATs (Subsistence Farming Aptitude Test).

FOAD retard. You pathetic Nazis are the same species as the Islamist
scum. You should all die in a fire.


      
Date: 28 Dec 2008 13:47:32
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nobody@fool.foo > wrote in message
news:022fl4t3nuhlk9imd5o24v3t8kc4d6eitd@4ax.com...
> On 28 Dec 2008 13:56:32 GMT, Tom White <tominator@bulldogcountry.com>
> wrote:
>
>>In case I'm underestimating the chance of European secular wimps
>>standing up to Greater Islam, I wish the Europeans "Good luck" on
>>their SFATs (Subsistence Farming Aptitude Test).
>
> FOAD retard. You pathetic Nazis are the same species as the Islamist
> scum. You should all die in a fire.

Is that really you Jacks?

Irish Mike




   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 16:43:42
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 12:11=A0pm, FL Turbo <noem...@notime.com > wrote:


> My contention has always been that if anyone is truly honest with
> themselves, they would have to admit that they can't really KNOW there
> is no God.



and you can't KNOW there is.

Draw.







    
Date: 27 Dec 2008 23:44:11
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: God and Jesus

"OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:d35e163f-e6ba-4726-ac91-f3c8c5cb9da4@g3g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 27, 12:11 pm, FL Turbo <noem...@notime.com > wrote:


> My contention has always been that if anyone is truly honest with
> themselves, they would have to admit that they can't really KNOW there
> is no God.



>and you can't KNOW there is.

>Draw.

Faith is the belief in things NOT seen. In my life Christianity is a FAITH,
not a "religion".

--
Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles







   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 12:33:59
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 27, 12:11=A0pm, FL Turbo <noem...@notime.com > wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 10:43:51 -0800, "DaVoice" <davoice...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >"FellKnight" <jordandevenp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:mqph26xc9m.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> On Dec 27 2008 5:07 AM, RazzO wrote:
>
> >>> Nice hand, sir!!
>
> >>> On Dec 27 2008 12:20 AM, DaVoice wrote:
>
> >>> > I CALL BULLSHIT. =A0Atheists seem to want to "prove their too smart=
" to
> >>> > believe in a higher power. =A0It happens all of the time, not just =
in
> >> response
> >>> > to "guys with official handbooks", which you know I used as a refer=
ence
> >>> > to
> >>> > the Scriptures, meaning Islamic, Christian, Judaic, Shinto, budhist=
,
> >>> > whatever. =A0Atheists think the louder they yell, the smarter they =
look,
> >>> > however it just makes believers more sad, we'd like to see more peo=
ple
> >> happy
> >>> > to know that there IS an afterlife that can be full of joy, peace a=
nd
> >>> > prosperity free of the hate, pain, stress, and anxiety of the life =
we
> >>> > live
> >>> > here on Earth.
>
> >>> > --
> >>> > Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles
>
> >>> RazzO
> >>> "Your all is idiots!" - Mike Matusow
>
> >> Uh, ok.
>
> >> I consider myself an agnostic rather than an atheist (as the distincti=
on
> >> is meaningful and allows for reason and evidence to influence my belie=
fs
> >> later rather than being stubbornly set on the path I learned when I wa=
s in
> >> pre-school), but I cannot recall ever volunteering the information nor
> >> trying to "de-convert" someone from their religious beliefs. =A0The mo=
st I
> >> have ever done is have mutual discussions, always started by the other
> >> party.
>
> >> Fell
>
> >Fell, I don't ever remember saying anything about agnostics trying to ra=
m
> >their beliefs down people's throats. =A0In fact, since by definition AGN=
OSITCS
> >don't know what they believe and are seeking evidence of what to believe=
(as
> >you just stated) how the HELL could they try to ram their beliefs down m=
y
> >throat?
>
> My contention has always been that if anyone is truly honest with
> themselves, they would have to admit that they can't really KNOW there
> is no God.

True. In fact, the modern common definition of atheism does not
require one to KNOW there is no God. A person like myself, who merely
believes that God is extremely unlikely, qualifies as an atheist.

> (Fill in any term for "god" you may choose.)

Shiva. If you are truly honest with yourself, you have to admit you
can't really KNOW there is no Shiva.
>
> Atheists get positively incensed by the suggestion that there is no
> possible way they could KNOW that.

Don't be silly.
>
> It goes a long way towards understanding why Atheists are so hateful
> towards anyone who has a religious belief.

My, Turbo, that's one of the dumbest things you've ever said. I
suspect that you personally know a number of atheists who never talk
about their atheism and are never "hateful" towards those who have a
religious belief. You may not realize they are atheists, however.

In fact, the person around here who is most hateful towards a
religious belief is Irish Mike when he's talking about Muslims.

- Bob T.


    
Date: 28 Dec 2008 10:17:51
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Sat, 27 Dec 2008 12:33:59 -0800 (PST), "Bob T."
<bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote:

>On Dec 27, 12:11 pm, FL Turbo <noem...@notime.com> wrote:
------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------------------------------

>>
>> >"FellKnight" <jordandevenp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:mqph26xc9m.ln2@recgroups.com...

>>
>> >> I consider myself an agnostic rather than an atheist (as the distinction
>> >> is meaningful and allows for reason and evidence to influence my beliefs
>> >> later rather than being stubbornly set on the path I learned when I was in
>> >> pre-school), but I cannot recall ever volunteering the information nor
>> >> trying to "de-convert" someone from their religious beliefs.  The most I
>> >> have ever done is have mutual discussions, always started by the other
>> >> party.
>>
>> >> Fell
>>
>> >Fell, I don't ever remember saying anything about agnostics trying to ram
>> >their beliefs down people's throats.  In fact, since by definition AGNOSITCS
>> >don't know what they believe and are seeking evidence of what to believe (as
>> >you just stated) how the HELL could they try to ram their beliefs down my
>> >throat?
>>
>> My contention has always been that if anyone is truly honest with
>> themselves, they would have to admit that they can't really KNOW there
>> is no God.
>
>True. In fact, the modern common definition of atheism does not
>require one to KNOW there is no God. A person like myself, who merely
>believes that God is extremely unlikely, qualifies as an atheist.
>

I describes you as an agnostic, not an atheist.

>> (Fill in any term for "god" you may choose.)
>
>Shiva. If you are truly honest with yourself, you have to admit you
>can't really KNOW there is no Shiva.
>>

This is correct.
I can't really know there is no Shiva.

>> Atheists get positively incensed by the suggestion that there is no
>> possible way they could KNOW that.
>
>Don't be silly.
>>

Of course you wouldn't get incensed.
You are an agnostic, so the suggestion doesn't apply to you.

>> It goes a long way towards understanding why Atheists are so hateful
>> towards anyone who has a religious belief.
>
>My, Turbo, that's one of the dumbest things you've ever said. I
>suspect that you personally know a number of atheists who never talk
>about their atheism and are never "hateful" towards those who have a
>religious belief. You may not realize they are atheists, however.
>
You can't have read a whole lot of my posts if you think it's one of
the dumbest things I've ever said.

Personally, I don't get into religious conversations with people I
know.

Besides, being agnostic myself, so I don't run the risk of Atheist
hatred directed at me.



   
Date: 27 Dec 2008 00:31:11
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Fri, 26 Dec 2008 06:35:04 -0500, "Irish Mike"
<mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote:

>You just come across as a consistently unhappy, envious and
>resentful person.

...as irony meters all over Usenet explode into tiny pieces.


   
Date: 26 Dec 2008 17:24:00
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
In article <Sj35l.9675$as4.3475@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com >,
Irish Mike <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote:

>Well Patti, it's Christmas

Well, no. It's boxing day in much of the English-speaking
world.


>Do you think that, just for this one day a year, you could be a
>little less of the miserable, sarcastic, God-hating bitch you are the other
>364 days? You just come across as a consistently unhappy, envious and
>resentful person.

Ah, how well you don't know me. I'm actually happier than most
people I know. As for god-hating... well, not really. I don't
hate your god any more than I hate the tooth fairy or santa claus.
I hate what some of his followers do, though.

-Patti
--
Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


    
Date: 26 Dec 2008 13:43:05
From: mccard
Subject: Re: God and Jesus [BAHH'

"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gj33vg$bng$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In article <Sj35l.9675$as4.3475@nlpi069.nbdc.sbc.com>,
> Irish Mike <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>Well Patti, it's Christmas
>
> Well, no. It's boxing day in much of the English-speaking
> world.
>
>
>>Do you think that, just for this one day a year, you could be a
>>little less of the miserable, sarcastic, God-hating bitch you are the
>>other
>>364 days? You just come across as a consistently unhappy, envious and
>>resentful person.
>
> Ah, how well you don't know me. I'm actually happier than most
> people I know. As for god-hating... well, not really. I don't
> hate your god any more than I hate the tooth fairy or santa claus.
> I hate what some of his followers do, though.
>

Patti,

Not hard to believe in Jesus when he intervenes directly in your POKER GAME
:)

PokerStars Game #23273185130: Tournament #129642919, $15+$1 Hold'em No
Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2008/12/26 14:33:11 ET
Table '129642919 2' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: jesus 13015 (1870 in chips)
Seat 2: caiide (1945 in chips)
Seat 3: EGRoyal (1065 in chips)
Seat 4: mccard (1115 in chips)
Seat 5: Way8 (1410 in chips)
Seat 6: devreker (1365 in chips)
Seat 7: GIVB (865 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: wrangler330 (3865 in chips)
wrangler330: posts small blind 50
jesus 13015: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mccard [Td Tc]
caiide: raises 300 to 400
EGRoyal: folds
mccard: raises 300 to 700
Way8: folds
devreker: folds
GIVB: folds
wrangler330: folds
jesus 13015: calls 600
caiide: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [2d Ts 5h]
jesus 13015: checks
GIVB has returned
caiide: checks
mccard: bets 415 and is all-in
jesus 13015: calls 415
caiide: calls 415
*** TURN *** [2d Ts 5h] [6s]
jesus 13015: checks
caiide: checks
*** RIVER *** [2d Ts 5h 6s] [8s]
jesus 13015: checks
caiide: bets 830 and is all-in
jesus 13015: calls 755 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (75) returned to caiide
*** SHOW DOWN ***
caiide: shows [8c Ah] (a pair of Eights)
jesus 13015: shows [Jd Kh] (high card King)
caiide collected 1510 from side pot
mccard: shows [Td Tc] (three of a kind, Tens)
mccard collected 3395 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4905 Main pot 3395. Side pot 1510.


    
Date: 26 Dec 2008 09:35:38
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gj33vg$bng$1@blue.rahul.net...

> I don't
> hate your god any more than I hate the tooth fairy or santa claus.
> I hate what some of his followers do, though.
>


I don't hate gays either, but I hate what some of their followers do.

http://www.actupny.org/documents/Marshall.html


Unless you can objectively denounce what these violence-prone maniacs in the
Act Up Organization do, then please cease with your condemnation of
Christians lest people here recognize what a hypocritical anti-religious
bigot you are.

-Paul Popinjay





     
Date: 26 Dec 2008 22:39:43
From: Travel
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
No BobTard, everyone else is amused at the bitch slapping you get, you
can only pretend. Tee hee

_________________________________________________________
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Visit www.pokermagazine.com


 
Date: 25 Dec 2008 21:15:20
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: God and Jesus
On Dec 25 2008 10:06 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:

> God made a perfect place and he allowed his creations the opportunity to
> do anything they wanted to do.
>
> Mathematically speaking the likelyhood of the creations ruining this is
> quite high.
>
> God saw perfection destroyed. i think this has raised his tolerance level.
>
> Jesus came along, like any good Jewish son he took over the family
> business.
>
> Jesus inherited a morally rundown house. Jesus has not lived through what
> God did, other than in the sense he is from God. Thus explaining his
> desire for a better state, the inbred experience pulls him to it.
>
> Jesus tolerates a lot more than God does.
>
> The sadness God knows, he knows alone.

But he will always have manipulative morons like you out there trying to
control people's minds and wallets

THAT WILL BRING HIM GREAT COMFORT


Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire

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