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Date: 05 Jan 2009 14:18:13
From: Wayne
Subject: Gaza hospitals under fire
This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
deluded enough to believe in that:

http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm

"Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
shot at. "




 
Date: 08 Jan 2009 21:11:17
From:
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On 6 Jan, 04:33, "Iceberg" <big_bad_iceb...@moc.oohay > wrote:
> "The Chin." <s...@ze.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ddbed$4962a527$40970a51$18951@EVERESTKC.NET...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Neverchop" <neverc...@lotto.com> wrote in message
> >news:gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
> >> "Wayne" <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> >> > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
> >> > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
> >> > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
> >> > deluded enough to believe in that:
>
> >> >http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>
> >> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>
> >> > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
> >> > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
> >> > shot at. "
>
> >> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
> > hidden
> >> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
> >> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
> >> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
> > civilian
> >> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
> > Jews
> >> go away.
>
> > Yeah, they also dress up as woman and little children and emergency
> > workers.
> > They can't fool Israel, Israel saw all those kids with rifles too. And
> > those
> > women Israel killed were really Hamas-bots, kinda like Stepford wives
> > y'know, except they talk back. And those emergency workers.....only God
> > knows what they were up to....Oh waitaminute, Israel are GODS CHOSEN, they
> > obviously can do no wrong.
>
> > But seriously, Hamas does not hide ANYWHERE. They were elected to rule
> > their
> > land. This is why Israel bombs the hell out them because they are ALL
> > Hamas
> > as far as they are concerned.
> > Genocide.
> > I wonder if the Israelis will have to pay restitution to the Palestinians
> > (who are genetically much closer to being actual Israeli's than any of the
> > people in Israel)?
>
> are Hamas honestly so stupid that they think a few rockets are going to
> destroy Israel? please somebody answer me this, what is the point of sending
> the rockets?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Building rockets is the only industry the israel allow Palestine.


 
Date: 08 Jan 2009 06:19:35
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 7, 11:36=A0pm, "Kyle T. Jones" <KBf...@realdomain.net > wrote:
> Will in New Haven, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh,
> 1/5/2009 6:39 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness
> loose on Usenet:
>
> > They were elected on a policy of war with Israel. They have the war
> > that they and their voters wanted. And that they provoked with rocket
> > attacks. That's what happens when you want a war and get one. You
> > believe in their justification for that war. But you want it to be a
> > one-way war, because they can't win a two-way war. Well, they aren't
> > fighting Quakers. And no one else is going to step in and help them
> > fight.
>
> > --
> > Will in New Haven
>
> That doesn't seem (to me) to be the point, Will.
>
> Could I ask you a... well, it's a question that isn't exactly the
> question being asked here, but I think it's something that needs to be
> addressed, and I think you'll know the answer.
>
> Gary, or any other RGP vets, also feel free:
>
> Has there been, in the past (say... WWI - Vietnam), a general practice
> of avoiding deliberate bombing of certain targets, like schools and
> hospitals by most countries.
>
> I know *we've* generally tried to hold ourselves to some such standard -
> even avoiding, as much as possible, engagements in mosques and other
> religious temples in Iraq - but was this a generally accepted practice
> in the past by everyone?
>
> If that is the case, have there been any notable exceptions during that
> time period (WWI - Vietnam)?

There has always been lip-service to such policies. When it has been
_easy_ to avoid civilian casualties, almost every military on earth
has done so. Put your target in snugly with civilians and "collateral
damage" becomes something that gets shrugged off.

Strategic bombing has always caused more civilian death and
destruction of national infrastructure than its military value would
justify if anyone cared about enemy civilians or what the enemy
country would be like after the war.

In my own experience, you cannot trust fast-moving aircraft,
helicopters or artillery to avoid killing, or narrowly missing, your
own troops, let alone villages full of people who want both sides to
go away. A man with a rifle can be more disctiminating but if he is
shot at by someone in that village he isn't going to worry about who
ELSE is there.

--
Will in New Haven





  
Date: 08 Jan 2009 16:27:09
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
Will in New Haven wrote:

> In my own experience, you cannot trust fast-moving aircraft,
> helicopters or artillery to avoid killing, or narrowly missing, your
> own troops, let alone villages full of people who want both sides to
> go away. A man with a rifle can be more disctiminating but if he is
> shot at by someone in that village he isn't going to worry about who
> ELSE is there.

During the Battle of the Bulge, the American 9th Air Wing got the name
"American Luftwaffe" from the troops on the ground, because for several
consecutive days they bombed the U.S. positions instead of the German
positions.


--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range


 
Date: 08 Jan 2009 05:01:14
From: number6
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 8, 12:09=A0am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

>
> > Nope a Cereal Killer ... watch out oatmeal and Cream of Wheat ...
> > My reply purposely was as much nonsense as the original poster's pro
> > terrorist propaganda ... actually impropaganda but what the hell ...
> > Where the hell were you when terrorist rockets were indiscriminately
> > killing Israeli citizens ... ?? Oh I know ... Practicing your
> > salute ...
>
> Why don't you go back to eating shit with the rest of the flies?
>


Eating shit =3D swallowing left wing bullshit ... seems to me you have a
trademark on that ... and I won't violate trademark laws ... You have
exclusive property for 28 years ...




  
Date: 08 Jan 2009 19:45:53
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 8 2009 6:01 AM, number6 wrote:

> On Jan 8, 12:09 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > > Nope a Cereal Killer ... watch out oatmeal and Cream of Wheat ...
> > > My reply purposely was as much nonsense as the original poster's pro
> > > terrorist propaganda ... actually impropaganda but what the hell ...
> > > Where the hell were you when terrorist rockets were indiscriminately
> > > killing Israeli citizens ... ?? Oh I know ... Practicing your
> > > salute ...
> >
> > Why don't you go back to eating shit with the rest of the flies?
> >
>
>
> Eating shit = swallowing left wing bullshit ... seems to me you have a
> trademark on that ... and I won't violate trademark laws ... You have
> exclusive property for 28 years ...

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 11:05:06
From: number6
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 6, 11:49=A0pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:
> On Jan 6 2009 7:52 PM, number6 wrote:
>
> > On Jan 5, 5:18=A0pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
> > > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
> > > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
> > > deluded enough to believe in that:
>
> > Who are in the hospitals anyway ??? The WOUNDED ... people who were
> > almost killed ... Just finishing the job ... where would you bomb to
> > get the terrorists you almost got ?? =A0a movie theater ... ??? Learn a
> > little ... get a life ... They are in the hospital ... go get them ...
>
> You're quite excited about all this, aren't you? Don't have an orgasm all
> over your monitor.
>
> Really, is this anus nothing more than a currently quiescent serial kille=
r?
>


Nope a Cereal Killer ... watch out oatmeal and Cream of Wheat ...
My reply purposely was as much nonsense as the original poster's pro
terrorist propaganda ... actually impropaganda but what the hell ...
Where the hell were you when terrorist rockets were indiscriminately
killing Israeli citizens ... ?? Oh I know ... Practicing your
salute ...



  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 21:09:55
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 7 2009 12:05 PM, number6 wrote:

> On Jan 6, 11:49 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On Jan 6 2009 7:52 PM, number6 wrote:
> >
> > > On Jan 5, 5:18 pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
> > > > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
> > > > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
> > > > deluded enough to believe in that:
> >
> > > Who are in the hospitals anyway ??? The WOUNDED ... people who were
> > > almost killed ... Just finishing the job ... where would you bomb to
> > > get the terrorists you almost got ??  a movie theater ... ??? Learn a
> > > little ... get a life ... They are in the hospital ... go get them ...
> >
> > You're quite excited about all this, aren't you? Don't have an orgasm all
> > over your monitor.
> >
> > Really, is this anus nothing more than a currently quiescent serial killer?
> >
>
>
> Nope a Cereal Killer ... watch out oatmeal and Cream of Wheat ...
> My reply purposely was as much nonsense as the original poster's pro
> terrorist propaganda ... actually impropaganda but what the hell ...
> Where the hell were you when terrorist rockets were indiscriminately
> killing Israeli citizens ... ?? Oh I know ... Practicing your
> salute ...

Why don't you go back to eating shit with the rest of the flies?

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Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:28:20
From: Raja
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 5, 4:18=A0pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
> workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
> the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
> deluded enough to believe in that:
>
> http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>
> "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
> workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
> shot at. "

Is this the first time woman and children have been killed in war?
Stop the anti-Jew sentiments.



 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 18:59:56
From: number6
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 6, 9:45=A0pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

> I think you need to stop lying. Israel signed a truce with the Gazans in
> which Israel agreed to open the sealed off border crossings and stop
> crippling the Gaza economy and attempting to starve their children in
> exchange for Hamas halting rocket attacks.

Hey bucko ... if those adult terrorists would starve themselves and
feed their kids instead then it wouldn't be the kids starving ...

You're telling me that those low life scum in Gaza are stuffing
themselves and starving their kids because there isn't enough for
both ??? Low life scum ... When they start feeding their kids
first ... maybe I can have some sympathy ... but since you're telling
me they are stuffing themselves over feeding their kids ... they can
all die ...



 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 18:52:47
From: number6
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 5, 5:18=A0pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
> workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
> the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
> deluded enough to believe in that:
>

Who are in the hospitals anyway ??? The WOUNDED ... people who were
almost killed ... Just finishing the job ... where would you bomb to
get the terrorists you almost got ?? a movie theater ... ??? Learn a
little ... get a life ... They are in the hospital ... go get them ...





  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 20:49:55
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 6 2009 7:52 PM, number6 wrote:

> On Jan 5, 5:18 pm, Wayne <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
> > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
> > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
> > deluded enough to believe in that:
> >
>
> Who are in the hospitals anyway ??? The WOUNDED ... people who were
> almost killed ... Just finishing the job ... where would you bomb to
> get the terrorists you almost got ?? a movie theater ... ??? Learn a
> little ... get a life ... They are in the hospital ... go get them ...

You're quite excited about all this, aren't you? Don't have an orgasm all
over your monitor.

Really, is this anus nothing more than a currently quiescent serial killer?

Calimero, neverchop, Joe Turn, Martin D, Joe Long, Bill Vanek, too. They
should form a glee club.

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Date: 06 Jan 2009 11:44:50
From: Wayne
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On 6 Jan, 10:20, Shevek <sheve...@gmail.com > wrote:

> So you agree that Israel is exactly on the same plane as Hamas, right?
> And that both use terror and indiscriminate violence against civilian
> population, right?

Various respected human rights orgs are unanimous that the answer to
your question is affirmative:

Israel: Impunity for unlawful killings of demonstrators by police


http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/MDE15/005/2008/en


Amnesty slams Israel's 'unlawful acts'


http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1148287847064&pagename=JPo...


'Unlawful killing' of Gaza Briton


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4896800.stm


UNLAWFUL KILLINGS DURING OPERATION "GRAPES OF WRATH"


http://www.islamawareness.net/Persecution/Israel/a_intern.html


Amnesty: Threefold increase in killings of Palestinians by IDF in
2006


http://www.ynet.co.il/english/articles/0,7340,L-3403555,00.html


Amnesty slams Israel 'war crimes'


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4580139.stm






 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 03:15:17
From: Carey
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire


Shevek wrote:
> Iceberg escribi?:
> > yeah I have to say, I suppose Hamas are 'moralistic' and 'caring' by
> > launching random rocket attacks on civilian areas, schools, blowing up buses
> > etc.
> >
>
> So you agree that Israel is exactly on the same plane as Hamas, right?
> And that both use terror and indiscriminate violence against civilian
> population, right?
>
> > "MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
> > news:Lcz8l.39753$4u2.31659@newsfe02.iad...
> >> How moralistic...and those 400 missiles sent into Israel before the
> >> response? And those suicide bombers???
> >>
> >> Mel
> >> "The Chin." <snee@ze.net> wrote in message
> >> news:ddbed$4962a527$40970a51$18951@EVERESTKC.NET...
> >>> "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org...
> >>>> "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>> news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> >>>>> This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
> >>>>> workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
> >>>>> the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
> >>>>> deluded enough to believe in that:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
> >>>>> workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
> >>>>> shot at. "
> >>>> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
> >>> hidden
> >>>> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
> >>>> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
> >>>> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
> >>> civilian
> >>>> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
> >>> Jews
> >>>> go away.
> >>>>
> >>> Yeah, they also dress up as woman and little children and emergency
> >>> workers.
> >>> They can't fool Israel, Israel saw all those kids with rifles too. And
> >>> those
> >>> women Israel killed were really Hamas-bots, kinda like Stepford wives
> >>> y'know, except they talk back. And those emergency workers.....only God
> >>> knows what they were up to....Oh waitaminute, Israel are GODS CHOSEN,
> >>> they
> >>> obviously can do no wrong.
> >>>
> >>> But seriously, Hamas does not hide ANYWHERE. They were elected to rule
> >>> their
> >>> land. This is why Israel bombs the hell out them because they are ALL
> >>> Hamas
> >>> as far as they are concerned.
> >>> Genocide.
> >>> I wonder if the Israelis will have to pay restitution to the Palestinians
> >>> (who are genetically much closer to being actual Israeli's than any of
> >>> the
> >>> people in Israel)?
> >>>
> >>> me
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Shevek
No, I don't agree with your statement, Shevek.
You Israelis are pathetic, in your, perceived bleak need to destroy
the Palestinians by *whatever means*..
It's not gonna happen- regardless of the complicity of the Western
media. Too many Humans to kill. Kinda like the Holocaust... No, just
like it.


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 01:13:14
From: Carey
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire


Iceberg wrote:
> yeah I have to say, I suppose Hamas are 'moralistic' and 'caring' by
> launching random rocket attacks on civilian areas, schools, blowing up buses
> etc.
>
> "MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
> news:Lcz8l.39753$4u2.31659@newsfe02.iad...
> > How moralistic...and those 400 missiles sent into Israel before the
> > response? And those suicide bombers???
> >
> > Mel
> > "The Chin." <snee@ze.net> wrote in message
> > news:ddbed$4962a527$40970a51$18951@EVERESTKC.NET...
> >>
> >> "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com> wrote in message
> >> news:gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org...
> >>>
> >>> "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>> news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> >>> > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
> >>> > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
> >>> > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
> >>> > deluded enough to believe in that:
> >>> >
> >>> > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
> >>> >
> >>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
> >>> >
> >>> > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
> >>> > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
> >>> > shot at. "
> >>>
> >>> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
> >> hidden
> >>> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
> >>> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
> >>> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
> >> civilian
> >>> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
> >> Jews
> >>> go away.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Yeah, they also dress up as woman and little children and emergency
> >> workers.
> >> They can't fool Israel, Israel saw all those kids with rifles too. And
> >> those
> >> women Israel killed were really Hamas-bots, kinda like Stepford wives
> >> y'know, except they talk back. And those emergency workers.....only God
> >> knows what they were up to....Oh waitaminute, Israel are GODS CHOSEN,
> >> they
> >> obviously can do no wrong.
> >>
> >> But seriously, Hamas does not hide ANYWHERE. They were elected to rule
> >> their
> >> land. This is why Israel bombs the hell out them because they are ALL
> >> Hamas
> >> as far as they are concerned.
> >> Genocide.
> >> I wonder if the Israelis will have to pay restitution to the Palestinians
> >> (who are genetically much closer to being actual Israeli's than any of
> >> the
> >> people in Israel)?
> >>
> >> me

Oh, poor Israel, with their 50+ Nukes, their $10 billion USD yearly
in ("defense") aid, and above all their
post-1948 stolen land...


 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 16:39:40
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 5, 7:25 pm, "The Chin." <s...@ze.net > wrote:
> "Neverchop" <neverc...@lotto.com> wrote in message
>
> news:gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Wayne" <waynet...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> > > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
> > > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
> > > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
> > > deluded enough to believe in that:
>
> > >http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>
> > >http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>
> > > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
> > > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
> > > shot at. "
>
> > Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
> hidden
> > in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
> > pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
> > They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
> civilian
> > buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
> Jews
> > go away.
>
> Yeah, they also dress up as woman and little children and emergency workers.
> They can't fool Israel, Israel saw all those kids with rifles too. And those
> women Israel killed were really Hamas-bots, kinda like Stepford wives
> y'know, except they talk back. And those emergency workers.....only God
> knows what they were up to....Oh waitaminute, Israel are GODS CHOSEN, they
> obviously can do no wrong.
>
> But seriously, Hamas does not hide ANYWHERE. They were elected to rule their
> land.

They were elected on a policy of war with Israel. They have the war
that they and their voters wanted. And that they provoked with rocket
attacks. That's what happens when you want a war and get one. You
believe in their justification for that war. But you want it to be a
one-way war, because they can't win a two-way war. Well, they aren't
fighting Quakers. And no one else is going to step in and help them
fight.

--
Will in New Haven


This is why Israel bombs the hell out them because they are ALL Hamas
> as far as they are concerned.
> Genocide.
> I wonder if the Israelis will have to pay restitution to the Palestinians
> (who are genetically much closer to being actual Israeli's than any of the
> people in Israel)?
>
> me



  
Date: 07 Jan 2009 22:36:22
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
Will in New Haven, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh,
1/5/2009 6:39 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness
loose on Usenet:

> They were elected on a policy of war with Israel. They have the war
> that they and their voters wanted. And that they provoked with rocket
> attacks. That's what happens when you want a war and get one. You
> believe in their justification for that war. But you want it to be a
> one-way war, because they can't win a two-way war. Well, they aren't
> fighting Quakers. And no one else is going to step in and help them
> fight.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven
>

That doesn't seem (to me) to be the point, Will.

Could I ask you a... well, it's a question that isn't exactly the
question being asked here, but I think it's something that needs to be
addressed, and I think you'll know the answer.

Gary, or any other RGP vets, also feel free:

Has there been, in the past (say... WWI - Vietnam), a general practice
of avoiding deliberate bombing of certain targets, like schools and
hospitals by most countries.

I know *we've* generally tried to hold ourselves to some such standard -
even avoiding, as much as possible, engagements in mosques and other
religious temples in Iraq - but was this a generally accepted practice
in the past by everyone?

If that is the case, have there been any notable exceptions during that
time period (WWI - Vietnam)?

TIA.

Cheers.



   
Date: 08 Jan 2009 09:29:34
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
"Kyle T. Jones"

> Has there been, in the past (say... WWI - Vietnam), a general practice of
> avoiding deliberate bombing of certain targets, like schools and hospitals
> by most countries.

Your question might be too general to have a "general practice" sort of
answer.

Many examples of deliberate bombing of certain targets of all sorts by all
countries (that might be of interest to you) can be generated. It depends
... is always the general answer to these sorts of general questions, in my
opinion.

I believe I remember that Eisenhower refused to bomb Paris during WWII ... I
know that there were "free fire" zones in Vietnam and there were other zones
where specific permission had to be obtained for any bombing of certain
targets ... in Korea, the "red cross" was supposed to protect both sides,
but I suspect that all sides at one time or the other may have used it as
cover for covert operations.

During the second war of the American Revolution, also called the war of
1812, it is my memory that Admiral Cockburn's march to Washington from
Annapolis was largely unopposed as Madison and Monroe were trying to be
field generals and the entire American resistance dissolved in the face of
the advancing redcoats; the only person hurt was an American officer who
fell off his horse and broke his leg ... Cockburn picked him up and carried
him into Washington in his surgery wagon ... Cockburn apparently burned the
few buildings down (including the white house, which he said he would have
spared if Dolly had remained in residence) ... he "won" that non-battle ...
some of his own troops injured themselves while they were destroying
gunpowder stores so Cockburn made a deal with the injured American officer
to look after the injured British troops and Cockburn would send a ship to
pick them up. Cockburn returned to Annapolis and sent a ship to pick up his
injured troops ... all quite gentlemanly behavior.

I am sure there are thousands of stories about good things and bad ... war
is hell. Collateral damage is often inevitable. There are many stories of
atrocities as well. Intentional rape and slaughter of known innocents by
individual combatants is not a myth ... but I do not think that is what you
are asking.

What is currently termed "terrorist war" does not fit any reasonable
historic mold.




   
Date: 07 Jan 2009 23:26:58
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire

"Kyle T. Jones" <KBfoMe@realdomain.net > wrote in message
news:gk3sbq$404$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
> Gary, or any other RGP vets, also feel free:
>
> Has there been, in the past (say... WWI - Vietnam), a general practice
> of avoiding deliberate bombing of certain targets, like schools and
> hospitals by most countries.

Lets see, I know, here's the deal. In the past, particularly when discussing
any modern advanced nation at war with any other more or less equally modern
advanced nation, and pretty much irrespective of the era, real militaries
have avoided using schools and hospitals as bases or camps, therefore their
is generally no reason to attack them. There are many exceptions to this in
civil war, guerilla war and apparently stateless terrorist war. I guess you
could pretty much say the same thing by discussing any non-muslim war with
respect to any muslim war. These people, quite simply, are animals that only
deserve to die. Apparently.

Then again we have been known to destroy whole cities in the past.

> I know *we've* generally tried to hold ourselves to some such standard -
> even avoiding, as much as possible, engagements in mosques and other
> religious temples in Iraq -

Which has always proven to be a tactical error.

> but was this a generally accepted practice
> in the past by everyone?

Hardly.

>
> If that is the case, have there been any notable exceptions during that
> time period (WWI - Vietnam)?
>

There probably is quite a bit of it going on within the dark continent. I
here the Tutsi were pretty mean to the Hutu recently. As for Nam - guerilla
war is tough but I know we destroyed many a temple over there. And rightly
so. The deal is that if you're going to hide in them most Armies will bomb
them. I doubt its as bad as Hollywood depicts in the movies.






 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 17:48:52
From: Neverchop
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire

"Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
> workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
> the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
> deluded enough to believe in that:
>
> http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>
> "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
> workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
> shot at. "

Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much hidden
in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in civilian
buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean Jews
go away.







  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 12:50:13
From: Divid Bulke
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
In article <gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org >, Neverchop
<neverchop@lotto.com > wrote:

> "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
> > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
> > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
> > deluded enough to believe in that:
> >
> > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
> >
> > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
> > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
> > shot at. "
>
> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much hidden
> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in civilian
> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean Jews
> go away.
>
>
>
>
>

I don't get it. Israel left Gaza, and built a wall between themselves
and Gaza to keep the people of Gaza out, and Hamas then feels the need
to rocket attack Israel to the tune of 4,000 rockets since then.

If I were Israel, I'd nuke the whole damned bunch and be done with it.

I think Gaza needs new leadership!


Divid


   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 18:45:16
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 6 2009 11:50 AM, Divid Bulke wrote:

> In article <gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org>, Neverchop
> <neverchop@lotto.com> wrote:
>
> > "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> > > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
> > > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
> > > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
> > > deluded enough to believe in that:
> > >
> > > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
> > >
> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
> > >
> > > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
> > > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
> > > shot at. "
> >
> > Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much hidden
> > in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
> > pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
> > They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in civilian
> > buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
Jews
> > go away.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> I don't get it. Israel left Gaza, and built a wall between themselves
> and Gaza to keep the people of Gaza out, and Hamas then feels the need
> to rocket attack Israel to the tune of 4,000 rockets since then.
>
> If I were Israel, I'd nuke the whole damned bunch and be done with it.
>
> I think Gaza needs new leadership!
>
>
> Divid

I think you need to stop lying. Israel signed a truce with the Gazans in
which Israel agreed to open the sealed off border crossings and stop
crippling the Gaza economy and attempting to starve their children in
exchange for Hamas halting rocket attacks. Hamas halted it's rocket
attacks but Israel continued it's rocket attacks and never opened the
border crossings as agreed for a full six months. After Israel recently
murdered six members of Hamas then Hamas refused to renew the whimsically
named, one-sided "truce" and resumed their rocket attacks in exchange for
Israeli attacks.

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Date: 08 Jan 2009 16:22:11
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
risky biz wrote:

> I think you need to stop lying. Israel signed a truce with the Gazans in
> which Israel agreed to open the sealed off border crossings and stop
> crippling the Gaza economy and attempting to starve their children in
> exchange for Hamas halting rocket attacks. Hamas halted it's rocket
> attacks

Where do you get your ridiculous propaganda? Radio Hamas?

> but Israel continued it's rocket attacks

More bullshit.


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Somewhere on the Range


     
Date: 08 Jan 2009 19:38:43
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 8 2009 4:22 PM, Joe Long wrote:

> risky biz wrote:
>
> > I think you need to stop lying. Israel signed a truce with the Gazans in
> > which Israel agreed to open the sealed off border crossings and stop
> > crippling the Gaza economy and attempting to starve their children in
> > exchange for Hamas halting rocket attacks. Hamas halted it's rocket
> > attacks
>
> Where do you get your ridiculous propaganda? Radio Hamas?
>
> > but Israel continued it's rocket attacks
>
> More bullshit.

You know, you really are just a completely fucking idiot. You're about a
hair's breadth away from getting killfiled on the basis of pure stupidity.
Get a clue, melonhead:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/07/AR2009010702645.html

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Date: 08 Jan 2009 23:26:51
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
risky biz wrote:
> On Jan 8 2009 4:22 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>
>> risky biz wrote:
>>
>>> I think you need to stop lying. Israel signed a truce with the Gazans in
>>> which Israel agreed to open the sealed off border crossings and stop
>>> crippling the Gaza economy and attempting to starve their children in
>>> exchange for Hamas halting rocket attacks. Hamas halted it's rocket
>>> attacks
>> Where do you get your ridiculous propaganda? Radio Hamas?
>>
>>> but Israel continued it's rocket attacks
>> More bullshit.
>
> You know, you really are just a completely fucking idiot. You're about a
> hair's breadth away from getting killfiled on the basis of pure stupidity.
> Get a clue, melonhead:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/07/AR2009010702645.html

OK, that wasn't Radio Hamas, but it was close. Jimmy Carter has been an
apologist for radical Palestinians for years. I think his failures as
President, and particularly his failure to broker peace in the Middle
East, addled his brain.


--
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Somewhere on the Range


       
Date: 08 Jan 2009 23:36:41
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 8 2009 11:26 PM, Joe Long wrote:

> risky biz wrote:
> > On Jan 8 2009 4:22 PM, Joe Long wrote:
> >
> >> risky biz wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think you need to stop lying. Israel signed a truce with the Gazans in
> >>> which Israel agreed to open the sealed off border crossings and stop
> >>> crippling the Gaza economy and attempting to starve their children in
> >>> exchange for Hamas halting rocket attacks. Hamas halted it's rocket
> >>> attacks
> >> Where do you get your ridiculous propaganda? Radio Hamas?
> >>
> >>> but Israel continued it's rocket attacks
> >> More bullshit.
> >
> > You know, you really are just a completely fucking idiot. You're about a
> > hair's breadth away from getting killfiled on the basis of pure stupidity.
> > Get a clue, melonhead:
> >
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/07/AR2009010702645.html
>
> OK, that wasn't Radio Hamas, but it was close. Jimmy Carter has been an
> apologist for radical Palestinians for years. I think his failures as
> President, and particularly his failure to broker peace in the Middle
> East, addled his brain.

He was the only President who ever did make progress toward peace there
you . . once again . . imbecile.

You're such a loser you didn't even read to the second part that is an
interview with Hamas. Stop behaving like a mental cripple.

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Date: 09 Jan 2009 20:16:57
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
risky biz wrote:
> On Jan 8 2009 11:26 PM, Joe Long wrote:

>> OK, that wasn't Radio Hamas, but it was close. Jimmy Carter has been an
>> apologist for radical Palestinians for years. I think his failures as
>> President, and particularly his failure to broker peace in the Middle
>> East, addled his brain.
>
> He was the only President who ever did make progress toward peace there
> you . . once again . . imbecile.
>
> You're such a loser you didn't even read to the second part that is an
> interview with Hamas. Stop behaving like a mental cripple.

Oh, so it WAS Radio Hamas? LOL.


--
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Somewhere on the Range


      
Date: 08 Jan 2009 22:04:17
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 19:38:43 -0800, "risky biz"
<risky-biz@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

>On Jan 8 2009 4:22 PM, Joe Long wrote:
>
>> risky biz wrote:
>>
>> > I think you need to stop lying. Israel signed a truce with the Gazans in
>> > which Israel agreed to open the sealed off border crossings and stop
>> > crippling the Gaza economy and attempting to starve their children in
>> > exchange for Hamas halting rocket attacks. Hamas halted it's rocket
>> > attacks
>>
>> Where do you get your ridiculous propaganda? Radio Hamas?
>>
>> > but Israel continued it's rocket attacks
>>
>> More bullshit.
>
>You know, you really are just a completely fucking idiot. You're about a
>hair's breadth away from getting killfiled on the basis of pure stupidity.
>Get a clue, melonhead:
>http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/07/AR2009010702645.html
>

An article written by a guy named Jimmie Carter.

People who have followed his travels, sucking up to Totalitarian
regimes all over the world, know whose side he comes down on.

'Nuff said.



    
Date: 06 Jan 2009 20:58:08
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:45:16 -0800, "risky biz"
<risky-biz@sbcglobal.net > wrote:

>On Jan 6 2009 11:50 AM, Divid Bulke wrote:
>
>> In article <gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org>, Neverchop
>> <neverchop@lotto.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> > > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
>> > > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
>> > > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
>> > > deluded enough to believe in that:
>> > >
>> > > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>> > >
>> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>> > >
>> > > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
>> > > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
>> > > shot at. "
>> >
>> > Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much hidden
>> > in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
>> > pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
>> > They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in civilian
>> > buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
>Jews
>> > go away.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I don't get it. Israel left Gaza, and built a wall between themselves
>> and Gaza to keep the people of Gaza out, and Hamas then feels the need
>> to rocket attack Israel to the tune of 4,000 rockets since then.
>>
>> If I were Israel, I'd nuke the whole damned bunch and be done with it.
>>
>> I think Gaza needs new leadership!
>>
>>
>> Divid
>
>I think you need to stop lying. Israel signed a truce with the Gazans in
>which Israel agreed to open the sealed off border crossings and stop
>crippling the Gaza economy and attempting to starve their children in
>exchange for Hamas halting rocket attacks. Hamas halted it's rocket
>attacks but Israel continued it's rocket attacks and never opened the
>border crossings as agreed for a full six months. After Israel recently
>murdered six members of Hamas then Hamas refused to renew the whimsically
>named, one-sided "truce" and resumed their rocket attacks in exchange for
>Israeli attacks.
>

I think you need to cite just exactly what time period it was that
Hamas halted its rocket attacks.

Oh, and while you're at it, also tell us exactly how many rocket
attack that Israel launched.

How about it?
Can you do it?

Or are you just going to bluster your way through it, like you always
do?



     
Date: 06 Jan 2009 22:14:33
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire

"FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com > wrote in message
news:k568m4dduancs1s0slpsi9kdqt8pkvohrk@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:45:16 -0800, "risky biz"
> <risky-biz@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 6 2009 11:50 AM, Divid Bulke wrote:
>>
>>> In article <gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org>, Neverchop
>>> <neverchop@lotto.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> > news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>> > > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
>>> > > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
>>> > > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
>>> > > deluded enough to believe in that:
>>> > >
>>> > > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>>> > >
>>> > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>>> > >
>>> > > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
>>> > > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
>>> > > shot at. "
>>> >
>>> > Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
>>> > hidden
>>> > in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag,
>>> > I
>>> > pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off
>>> > limits.
>>> > They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
>>> > civilian
>>> > buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the
>>> > mean
>>Jews
>>> > go away.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> I don't get it. Israel left Gaza, and built a wall between themselves
>>> and Gaza to keep the people of Gaza out, and Hamas then feels the need
>>> to rocket attack Israel to the tune of 4,000 rockets since then.
>>>
>>> If I were Israel, I'd nuke the whole damned bunch and be done with it.
>>>
>>> I think Gaza needs new leadership!
>>>
>>>
>>> Divid
>>
>>I think you need to stop lying. Israel signed a truce with the Gazans in
>>which Israel agreed to open the sealed off border crossings and stop
>>crippling the Gaza economy and attempting to starve their children in
>>exchange for Hamas halting rocket attacks. Hamas halted it's rocket
>>attacks but Israel continued it's rocket attacks and never opened the
>>border crossings as agreed for a full six months. After Israel recently
>>murdered six members of Hamas then Hamas refused to renew the whimsically
>>named, one-sided "truce" and resumed their rocket attacks in exchange for
>>Israeli attacks.
>>
>
> I think you need to cite just exactly what time period it was that
> Hamas halted its rocket attacks.
>
> Oh, and while you're at it, also tell us exactly how many rocket
> attack that Israel launched.
>
> How about it?
> Can you do it?
>
> Or are you just going to bluster your way through it, like you always
> do?
>
My money's on bluster.

Irish Mike




   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 15:38:48
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire

"Divid Bulke" <dbulke@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:060120091250134248%dbulke@hotmail.com...
> In article <gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org>, Neverchop
> <neverchop@lotto.com> wrote:
>
>> "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
>> > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
>> > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
>> > deluded enough to believe in that:
>> >
>> > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>> >
>> > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
>> > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
>> > shot at. "
>>
>> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
>> hidden
>> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
>> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
>> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
>> civilian
>> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
>> Jews
>> go away.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> I don't get it. Israel left Gaza, and built a wall between themselves
> and Gaza to keep the people of Gaza out, and Hamas then feels the need
> to rocket attack Israel to the tune of 4,000 rockets since then.
>
> If I were Israel, I'd nuke the whole damned bunch and be done with it.
>
> I think Gaza needs new leadership!
>
>
> Divid

Hamas needs war with Israel so they have some one to blame for their
incompetence, corruption and the general level of misery and suffering
they've inflicted on the Palestinian people. The war with the Jews helps
Hamas stay in power. When Clinton hosted the Camp David meetings in the
late 1990s, Israel offered Arafat peace and his own country. Arafat turned
it down and started blowing up Israeli women and kids instead. Why?
Because he was afraid he would lose some of his personal power it there
wasn't a war to fight with the Jews.

Irish Mike




  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 20:47:24
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 5 2009 4:48 PM, Neverchop wrote:

> "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
> > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
> > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
> > deluded enough to believe in that:
> >
> > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
> >
> > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
> > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
> > shot at. "
>
> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much hidden
> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in civilian
> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean Jews
> go away.

Another lower-than-snail-shit-on-the-bottom-of-the-ocean "friend of
Israel".

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 18:25:47
From: The Chin.
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire

"Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com > wrote in message
news:gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
> "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
> > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
> > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
> > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
> > deluded enough to believe in that:
> >
> > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
> >
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
> >
> > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
> > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
> > shot at. "
>
> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
hidden
> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
civilian
> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
Jews
> go away.
>

Yeah, they also dress up as woman and little children and emergency workers.
They can't fool Israel, Israel saw all those kids with rifles too. And those
women Israel killed were really Hamas-bots, kinda like Stepford wives
y'know, except they talk back. And those emergency workers.....only God
knows what they were up to....Oh waitaminute, Israel are GODS CHOSEN, they
obviously can do no wrong.

But seriously, Hamas does not hide ANYWHERE. They were elected to rule their
land. This is why Israel bombs the hell out them because they are ALL Hamas
as far as they are concerned.
Genocide.
I wonder if the Israelis will have to pay restitution to the Palestinians
(who are genetically much closer to being actual Israeli's than any of the
people in Israel)?

me




   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 08:33:25
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
"The Chin." <snee@ze.net > wrote in message
news:ddbed$4962a527$40970a51$18951@EVERESTKC.NET...
>
> "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com> wrote in message
> news:gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>
>> "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
>> > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
>> > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
>> > deluded enough to believe in that:
>> >
>> > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>> >
>> > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
>> > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
>> > shot at. "
>>
>> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
> hidden
>> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
>> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
>> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
> civilian
>> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
> Jews
>> go away.
>>
>
> Yeah, they also dress up as woman and little children and emergency
> workers.
> They can't fool Israel, Israel saw all those kids with rifles too. And
> those
> women Israel killed were really Hamas-bots, kinda like Stepford wives
> y'know, except they talk back. And those emergency workers.....only God
> knows what they were up to....Oh waitaminute, Israel are GODS CHOSEN, they
> obviously can do no wrong.
>
> But seriously, Hamas does not hide ANYWHERE. They were elected to rule
> their
> land. This is why Israel bombs the hell out them because they are ALL
> Hamas
> as far as they are concerned.
> Genocide.
> I wonder if the Israelis will have to pay restitution to the Palestinians
> (who are genetically much closer to being actual Israeli's than any of the
> people in Israel)?

are Hamas honestly so stupid that they think a few rockets are going to
destroy Israel? please somebody answer me this, what is the point of sending
the rockets?




    
Date: 06 Jan 2009 10:13:56
From: Dave Hazelwood
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:33:25 GMT, "Iceberg"
<big_bad_iceberg@moc.oohay > wrote:

>"The Chin." <snee@ze.net> wrote in message
>news:ddbed$4962a527$40970a51$18951@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>
>> "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com> wrote in message
>> news:gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>> "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>> > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
>>> > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
>>> > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
>>> > deluded enough to believe in that:
>>> >
>>> > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>>> >
>>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>>> >
>>> > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
>>> > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
>>> > shot at. "
>>>
>>> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
>> hidden
>>> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
>>> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
>>> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
>> civilian
>>> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
>> Jews
>>> go away.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, they also dress up as woman and little children and emergency
>> workers.
>> They can't fool Israel, Israel saw all those kids with rifles too. And
>> those
>> women Israel killed were really Hamas-bots, kinda like Stepford wives
>> y'know, except they talk back. And those emergency workers.....only God
>> knows what they were up to....Oh waitaminute, Israel are GODS CHOSEN, they
>> obviously can do no wrong.
>>
>> But seriously, Hamas does not hide ANYWHERE. They were elected to rule
>> their
>> land. This is why Israel bombs the hell out them because they are ALL
>> Hamas
>> as far as they are concerned.
>> Genocide.
>> I wonder if the Israelis will have to pay restitution to the Palestinians
>> (who are genetically much closer to being actual Israeli's than any of the
>> people in Israel)?
>
>are Hamas honestly so stupid that they think a few rockets are going to
>destroy Israel? please somebody answer me this, what is the point of sending
>the rockets?
>


what else can they do ? it's all they have.


     
Date: 06 Jan 2009 11:28:45
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
"Dave Hazelwood" <the_big_kahuna@mailcity.com > wrote in message
news:fmb6m49hqit1as33b3g9tqro5v6btl9f5i@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:33:25 GMT, "Iceberg"
> <big_bad_iceberg@moc.oohay> wrote:
>
>>"The Chin." <snee@ze.net> wrote in message
>>news:ddbed$4962a527$40970a51$18951@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>>
>>> "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>>>
>>>> "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>>> > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
>>>> > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
>>>> > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
>>>> > deluded enough to believe in that:
>>>> >
>>>> > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>>>> >
>>>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>>>> >
>>>> > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
>>>> > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
>>>> > shot at. "
>>>>
>>>> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
>>> hidden
>>>> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
>>>> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off
>>>> limits.
>>>> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
>>> civilian
>>>> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
>>> Jews
>>>> go away.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, they also dress up as woman and little children and emergency
>>> workers.
>>> They can't fool Israel, Israel saw all those kids with rifles too. And
>>> those
>>> women Israel killed were really Hamas-bots, kinda like Stepford wives
>>> y'know, except they talk back. And those emergency workers.....only God
>>> knows what they were up to....Oh waitaminute, Israel are GODS CHOSEN,
>>> they
>>> obviously can do no wrong.
>>>
>>> But seriously, Hamas does not hide ANYWHERE. They were elected to rule
>>> their
>>> land. This is why Israel bombs the hell out them because they are ALL
>>> Hamas
>>> as far as they are concerned.
>>> Genocide.
>>> I wonder if the Israelis will have to pay restitution to the
>>> Palestinians
>>> (who are genetically much closer to being actual Israeli's than any of
>>> the
>>> people in Israel)?
>>
>>are Hamas honestly so stupid that they think a few rockets are going to
>>destroy Israel? please somebody answer me this, what is the point of
>>sending
>>the rockets?
>>
> what else can they do ? it's all they have.

Negotiate, Surrender, Give In? The rocket launching just seems ridiculous
and pointless to me, unless they're actually trying to get their own
citizens bombed.




   
Date: 05 Jan 2009 22:21:24
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:25:47 -0600, "The Chin." <snee@ze.net > wrote:

>
>"Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com> wrote in message
>news:gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>
>> "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
>> > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
>> > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
>> > deluded enough to believe in that:
>> >
>> > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>> >
>> > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
>> > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
>> > shot at. "
>>
>> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
>hidden
>> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
>> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
>> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
>civilian
>> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
>Jews
>> go away.
>>
>
>Yeah, they also dress up as woman and little children and emergency workers.
>They can't fool Israel, Israel saw all those kids with rifles too. And those
>women Israel killed were really Hamas-bots, kinda like Stepford wives
>y'know, except they talk back. And those emergency workers.....only God
>knows what they were up to....Oh waitaminute, Israel are GODS CHOSEN, they
>obviously can do no wrong.
>
>But seriously, Hamas does not hide ANYWHERE. They were elected to rule their
>land. This is why Israel bombs the hell out them because they are ALL Hamas
>as far as they are concerned.

The Hamas leadership was certainly not hiding while their underlings
were sending some 7000 rockets across the border without any response.

You can bet your little booties that they are hiding now, after the
shit finally hit the fan.



>Genocide.
>I wonder if the Israelis will have to pay restitution to the Palestinians
>(who are genetically much closer to being actual Israeli's than any of the
>people in Israel)?
>
>me
>


    
Date: 06 Jan 2009 01:13:12
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire

"FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com > wrote in message
news:h5m5m4145najmm0konv6caffrsptm262bv@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:25:47 -0600, "The Chin." <snee@ze.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com> wrote in message
>>news:gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>> "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>> > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
>>> > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
>>> > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
>>> > deluded enough to believe in that:
>>> >
>>> > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>>> >
>>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>>> >
>>> > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
>>> > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
>>> > shot at. "
>>>
>>> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
>>hidden
>>> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
>>> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
>>> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
>>civilian
>>> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
>>Jews
>>> go away.
>>>
>>
>>Yeah, they also dress up as woman and little children and emergency
>>workers.
>>They can't fool Israel, Israel saw all those kids with rifles too. And
>>those
>>women Israel killed were really Hamas-bots, kinda like Stepford wives
>>y'know, except they talk back. And those emergency workers.....only God
>>knows what they were up to....Oh waitaminute, Israel are GODS CHOSEN, they
>>obviously can do no wrong.
>>
>>But seriously, Hamas does not hide ANYWHERE. They were elected to rule
>>their
>>land. This is why Israel bombs the hell out them because they are ALL
>>Hamas
>>as far as they are concerned.
>
> The Hamas leadership was certainly not hiding while their underlings
> were sending some 7000 rockets across the border without any response.
>
> You can bet your little booties that they are hiding now, after the
> shit finally hit the fan.

Hamas wants war with Israel for the same reason Arafat wanted war with
Israel and turned down the opportunity to have a Palestinian state in the
1990s at the Camp David meeting. They are afraid they will lose their power
without a war and an enemy (the Jews) to blame for all of the problems
resulting from their own incompetence and corruption. Israel pulled out of
Gaza and the Palestinians could have lived there in peace. Instead Hamas
set up rocket launchers in the middle of civilian neighborhoods and fired
thousands of rockets in to Israel. The amazing thing is how long it took
Israel to finally retaliate.

Irish Mike




   
Date: 05 Jan 2009 21:19:24
From: MZB
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
How moralistic...and those 400 missiles sent into Israel before the
response? And those suicide bombers???

Mel
"The Chin." <snee@ze.net > wrote in message
news:ddbed$4962a527$40970a51$18951@EVERESTKC.NET...
>
> "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com> wrote in message
> news:gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>
>> "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>> > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
>> > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
>> > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
>> > deluded enough to believe in that:
>> >
>> > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>> >
>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>> >
>> > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
>> > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
>> > shot at. "
>>
>> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
> hidden
>> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
>> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
>> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
> civilian
>> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
> Jews
>> go away.
>>
>
> Yeah, they also dress up as woman and little children and emergency
> workers.
> They can't fool Israel, Israel saw all those kids with rifles too. And
> those
> women Israel killed were really Hamas-bots, kinda like Stepford wives
> y'know, except they talk back. And those emergency workers.....only God
> knows what they were up to....Oh waitaminute, Israel are GODS CHOSEN, they
> obviously can do no wrong.
>
> But seriously, Hamas does not hide ANYWHERE. They were elected to rule
> their
> land. This is why Israel bombs the hell out them because they are ALL
> Hamas
> as far as they are concerned.
> Genocide.
> I wonder if the Israelis will have to pay restitution to the Palestinians
> (who are genetically much closer to being actual Israeli's than any of the
> people in Israel)?
>
> me
>
>




    
Date: 06 Jan 2009 08:33:28
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
yeah I have to say, I suppose Hamas are 'moralistic' and 'caring' by
launching random rocket attacks on civilian areas, schools, blowing up buses
etc.

"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net > wrote in message
news:Lcz8l.39753$4u2.31659@newsfe02.iad...
> How moralistic...and those 400 missiles sent into Israel before the
> response? And those suicide bombers???
>
> Mel
> "The Chin." <snee@ze.net> wrote in message
> news:ddbed$4962a527$40970a51$18951@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>
>> "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com> wrote in message
>> news:gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>>
>>> "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>> > This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
>>> > workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
>>> > the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
>>> > deluded enough to believe in that:
>>> >
>>> > http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>>> >
>>> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>>> >
>>> > "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
>>> > workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
>>> > shot at. "
>>>
>>> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
>> hidden
>>> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
>>> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
>>> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
>> civilian
>>> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
>> Jews
>>> go away.
>>>
>>
>> Yeah, they also dress up as woman and little children and emergency
>> workers.
>> They can't fool Israel, Israel saw all those kids with rifles too. And
>> those
>> women Israel killed were really Hamas-bots, kinda like Stepford wives
>> y'know, except they talk back. And those emergency workers.....only God
>> knows what they were up to....Oh waitaminute, Israel are GODS CHOSEN,
>> they
>> obviously can do no wrong.
>>
>> But seriously, Hamas does not hide ANYWHERE. They were elected to rule
>> their
>> land. This is why Israel bombs the hell out them because they are ALL
>> Hamas
>> as far as they are concerned.
>> Genocide.
>> I wonder if the Israelis will have to pay restitution to the Palestinians
>> (who are genetically much closer to being actual Israeli's than any of
>> the
>> people in Israel)?
>>
>> me
>>
>>
>
>




     
Date: 06 Jan 2009 11:20:05
From: Shevek
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
Iceberg escribió:
> yeah I have to say, I suppose Hamas are 'moralistic' and 'caring' by
> launching random rocket attacks on civilian areas, schools, blowing up buses
> etc.
>

So you agree that Israel is exactly on the same plane as Hamas, right?
And that both use terror and indiscriminate violence against civilian
population, right?

> "MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net> wrote in message
> news:Lcz8l.39753$4u2.31659@newsfe02.iad...
>> How moralistic...and those 400 missiles sent into Israel before the
>> response? And those suicide bombers???
>>
>> Mel
>> "The Chin." <snee@ze.net> wrote in message
>> news:ddbed$4962a527$40970a51$18951@EVERESTKC.NET...
>>> "Neverchop" <neverchop@lotto.com> wrote in message
>>> news:gju67l$4jp$1@news.motzarella.org...
>>>> "Wayne" <waynetv50@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:07aa8f40-eaa9-499d-ac4f-a483731f124f@o40g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> This is the "morality" of Israel: bombing hospitals, killing aid
>>>>> workers, attacking ambulances, etc. The final nail in the coffin of
>>>>> the old Zionist myth of "purity of arms", if there was anyone still
>>>>> deluded enough to believe in that:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://imeu.net/news/article0015296.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7812286.stm
>>>>>
>>>>> "Dr Essi said many families were in need of ambulances, but medical
>>>>> workers were struggling to reach casualties because they were being
>>>>> shot at. "
>>>> Hamas hides in Hospitals. Their entire CCC capability is pretty much
>>> hidden
>>>> in hospitals with their commanders disguised as doctors. So douchbag, I
>>>> pretty much understand why they bomb what would otherwise be off limits.
>>>> They are fighting terrorist filth who hide behind civilians and in
>>> civilian
>>>> buildings. Sieg heil asshole. Now go hide under your bed until the mean
>>> Jews
>>>> go away.
>>>>
>>> Yeah, they also dress up as woman and little children and emergency
>>> workers.
>>> They can't fool Israel, Israel saw all those kids with rifles too. And
>>> those
>>> women Israel killed were really Hamas-bots, kinda like Stepford wives
>>> y'know, except they talk back. And those emergency workers.....only God
>>> knows what they were up to....Oh waitaminute, Israel are GODS CHOSEN,
>>> they
>>> obviously can do no wrong.
>>>
>>> But seriously, Hamas does not hide ANYWHERE. They were elected to rule
>>> their
>>> land. This is why Israel bombs the hell out them because they are ALL
>>> Hamas
>>> as far as they are concerned.
>>> Genocide.
>>> I wonder if the Israelis will have to pay restitution to the Palestinians
>>> (who are genetically much closer to being actual Israeli's than any of
>>> the
>>> people in Israel)?
>>>
>>> me
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


--
Shevek


      
Date: 06 Jan 2009 11:39:21
From: Iceberg
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
"Shevek" <shevek99@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:6sgpigF5vvb8U1@mid.individual.net...
> Iceberg escribió:
>> yeah I have to say, I suppose Hamas are 'moralistic' and 'caring' by
>> launching random rocket attacks on civilian areas, schools, blowing up
>> buses etc.
>>
>
> So you agree that Israel is exactly on the same plane as Hamas, right? And
> that both use terror and indiscriminate violence against civilian
> population, right?

Hamas launch the rockets completely randomly, Israel use planned attacks and
say they are targetting terrorists, tragically civilians get killed/injured
too. You're trying to make out Israel war planners look at a Palestinian map
and say "look there's a hospital full of babies, let's aim directly there
for no reason". I'm no fan of Israel, but Hamas just seem to be a bunch of
stupid troublemakers to me, the Palestinians would do a lot better without
them.




       
Date: 06 Jan 2009 12:54:23
From: Shevek
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
Iceberg escribió:
> "Shevek" <shevek99@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:6sgpigF5vvb8U1@mid.individual.net...
>> Iceberg escribi�:
>>> yeah I have to say, I suppose Hamas are 'moralistic' and 'caring' by
>>> launching random rocket attacks on civilian areas, schools, blowing up
>>> buses etc.
>>>
>> So you agree that Israel is exactly on the same plane as Hamas, right? And
>> that both use terror and indiscriminate violence against civilian
>> population, right?
>
> Hamas launch the rockets completely randomly, Israel use planned attacks and
> say they are targetting terrorists, tragically civilians get killed/injured
> too.

90% of the Palestinians victims are civilians, and 30% are under 17.
That doesn't say much of Israeli's aim, does it?

Israel bombs hospitals, schools, residential areas, mosques... That
sounds a broad generalisation of "military targets".

Besides, Israel isn't targetting "terrorists". They are targetting (if
they are in fact) "Hamas", that is the democratically elected government
in Gaza (as in Lebanon they were targetting Hezbola, using the same
blanket "terrorist", when in fact they are an army that defeated the IDF
using "conventional" means).

"Terror" is only a military tactic used by both Hamas and Israel. If
Israel were targetting "terrorists" they should start shooting
themselves (perhaps they are, as they haver killed three of their own
soldiers...)

> You're trying to make out Israel war planners look at a Palestinian map
> and say "look there's a hospital full of babies, let's aim directly there
> for no reason".

Oh, of course they have a reason: They are using the terror tactics to
make the civilian population to ask for a rendition, and to punish the
Palestinians for voting Hamas or for simply being in the way. You only
have to read this newsgroup to see how many people consider all
Palestinians deserving of execution.

> I'm no fan of Israel, but Hamas just seem to be a bunch of
> stupid troublemakers to me, the Palestinians would do a lot better without
> them.

Yeah. It would be much more comfortable for Israel if the Palestinians
simply behave as told, and know their place. I'm sure many whites in
South Africa thought the same of Mandela and the ANC.
--
Shevek


    
Date: 05 Jan 2009 20:53:54
From: risky biz
Subject: Re: Gaza hospitals under fire
On Jan 5 2009 7:19 PM, MZB wrote:

> How moralistic...and those 400 missiles sent into Israel before the
> response? And those suicide bombers???
>
> Mel

That was about 50 - 60 years after the jewish settlers drove the
Palestinians out of their own country by means of violent rapine and
murder with America's help. And after about 50 - 60 years of ever
increasing violence against Palestinians by Israel. You're an absolute
phony.

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