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Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:39:17
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Forget Morphy! How bad was this call?
Morphy worries about whether or not quads should call against an open
ended straight flush draw. Here's one from today. Down to the bubble in
a DoN and this clown calls my bet that puts him all in with a pair of
threes.

PokerStars Game #24195308716: Tournament #135934435, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em
No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/01/23 13:13:17 ET
Table '135934435 1' 10-max Seat #10 is the button
Seat 3: Mankan708 (2020 in chips)
Seat 4: Raiders Rule (5440 in chips)
Seat 5: Jeromen (1115 in chips)
Seat 7: tangur1 (3615 in chips)
Seat 9: amoroso2007 (1430 in chips)
Seat 10: inge35 (1380 in chips)
Mankan708: posts the ante 20
Raiders Rule: posts the ante 20
Jeromen: posts the ante 20
tangur1: posts the ante 20
amoroso2007: posts the ante 20
inge35: posts the ante 20
Mankan708: posts small blind 100
Raiders Rule: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Raiders Rule [Jh 2h]
Jeromen: folds
tangur1: folds
amoroso2007: calls 200
inge35: folds
Mankan708: calls 100
Raiders Rule: checks
*** FLOP *** [2d 3h 4h]
Mankan708: checks
Raiders Rule: bets 1850
amoroso2007: folds
Mankan708: calls 1800 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (50) returned to Raiders Rule
*** TURN *** [2d 3h 4h] [5d]
*** RIVER *** [2d 3h 4h 5d] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Mankan708: shows [9s 3s] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
Raiders Rule: shows [Jh 2h] (a flush, Jack high)
Raiders Rule collected 4320 from pot

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Date: 23 Jan 2009 11:44:06
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: Forget Morphy! How bad was this call?
On Jan 23 2009 2:39 PM, Raider Fan wrote:

> Morphy worries about whether or not quads should call against an open
> ended straight flush draw. Here's one from today. Down to the bubble in
> a DoN and this clown calls my bet that puts him all in with a pair of
> threes.
>
> PokerStars Game #24195308716: Tournament #135934435, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em
> No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/01/23 13:13:17 ET
> Table '135934435 1' 10-max Seat #10 is the button
> Seat 3: Mankan708 (2020 in chips)
> Seat 4: Raiders Rule (5440 in chips)
> Seat 5: Jeromen (1115 in chips)
> Seat 7: tangur1 (3615 in chips)
> Seat 9: amoroso2007 (1430 in chips)
> Seat 10: inge35 (1380 in chips)
> Mankan708: posts the ante 20
> Raiders Rule: posts the ante 20
> Jeromen: posts the ante 20
> tangur1: posts the ante 20
> amoroso2007: posts the ante 20
> inge35: posts the ante 20
> Mankan708: posts small blind 100
> Raiders Rule: posts big blind 200
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to Raiders Rule [Jh 2h]
> Jeromen: folds
> tangur1: folds
> amoroso2007: calls 200
> inge35: folds
> Mankan708: calls 100
> Raiders Rule: checks
> *** FLOP *** [2d 3h 4h]
> Mankan708: checks
> Raiders Rule: bets 1850
> amoroso2007: folds
> Mankan708: calls 1800 and is all-in
> Uncalled bet (50) returned to Raiders Rule
> *** TURN *** [2d 3h 4h] [5d]
> *** RIVER *** [2d 3h 4h 5d] [6h]
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> Mankan708: shows [9s 3s] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
> Raiders Rule: shows [Jh 2h] (a flush, Jack high)
> Raiders Rule collected 4320 from pot

Well he was winning when he made the call.

Chris

"NO! I want this shit to STOP! Right NOW! Nobody takes me serious
anymore." - Paul
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Date: 23 Jan 2009 15:56:05
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Forget Morphy! How bad was this call?
On Jan 23 2009 1:44 PM, charrison100 wrote:

> Well he was winning when he made the call.

Uhh, no he wasn't...

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=5954374
pokenum -h 9s 3s - jh 2h -- 2d 3h 4h
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 2d 4h 3h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
9s 3s 461 46.57 511 51.62 18 1.82 0.475
Jh 2h 511 51.62 461 46.57 18 1.82 0.525

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Date: 23 Jan 2009 16:24:08
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: Forget Morphy! How bad was this call?
On Jan 23 2009 6:56 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 23 2009 1:44 PM, charrison100 wrote:
>
> > Well he was winning when he made the call.
>
> Uhh, no he wasn't...
>
> http://twodimes.net/h/?z=5954374
> pokenum -h 9s 3s - jh 2h -- 2d 3h 4h
> Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 2d 4h 3h
> cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
> 9s 3s 461 46.57 511 51.62 18 1.82 0.475
> Jh 2h 511 51.62 461 46.57 18 1.82 0.525
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

But he didn't know RR hand. I think it was a poor call with middle pair no
draw.

Chris

"NO! I want this shit to STOP! Right NOW! Nobody takes me serious
anymore." - Paul
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Date: 23 Jan 2009 16:41:51
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Forget Morphy! How bad was this call?
On Jan 23 2009 7:24 PM, charrison100 wrote:

> On Jan 23 2009 6:56 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
> > On Jan 23 2009 1:44 PM, charrison100 wrote:
> >
> > > Well he was winning when he made the call.
> >
> > Uhh, no he wasn't...
> >
> > http://twodimes.net/h/?z=5954374
> > pokenum -h 9s 3s - jh 2h -- 2d 3h 4h
> > Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 2d 4h 3h
> > cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
> > 9s 3s 461 46.57 511 51.62 18 1.82 0.475
> > Jh 2h 511 51.62 461 46.57 18 1.82 0.525
> >
> > ---
> > Morphy
> > xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> > http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> >
> > "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
> >
> > "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> > obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
> But he didn't know RR hand. I think it was a poor call with middle pair no
> draw.
>
> Chris
>
> "NO! I want this shit to STOP! Right NOW! Nobody takes me serious
> anymore." - Paul
> Popinjay, 01/16/2009

Can you find any hand RF could have had which makes his call correct?

Fell
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Date: 23 Jan 2009 20:20:56
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: Forget Morphy! How bad was this call?
> Can you find any hand RF could have had which makes his call correct?

Ah 5h
Kh 5h
Qh 5h


Dean

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Date: 24 Jan 2009 04:27:49
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: Forget Morphy! How bad was this call?
On Jan 23 2009 10:20 PM, MrBookworm wrote:

> > Can you find any hand RF could have had which makes his call correct?
>
> Ah 5h
> Kh 5h
> Qh 5h
>
>
> Dean

He shouldn't even pay the extra T100 to see the flop with 93s in that
position. He only needs one more person to drop out. He had three others
covered, and the blinds were getting higher. He'd seen me bullying the
smaller stacks.

He couldn't have called his tourney life on a pair of 3's if he would have
folded preflop.

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Date: 23 Jan 2009 21:47:09
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Forget Morphy! How bad was this call?
On Jan 23 2009 11:20 PM, MrBookworm wrote:

> > Can you find any hand RF could have had which makes his call correct?
>
> Ah 5h
> Kh 5h
> Qh 5h
>
>
> Dean
>
> "First of all, I cannot see Bookworm's post in my newsreader. Probably
> just as well, he annoys the fuck out of me anyway." PP - Dec 29, 2008

eh?
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Date: 23 Jan 2009 18:05:59
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Forget Morphy! How bad was this call?
On Jan 23 2009 6:41 PM, FellKnight wrote:

> Can you find any hand RF could have had which makes his call correct?

If he had two of these cards maybe?

http://www.freedigitalphotos.net/image/s_credit-cards.jpg

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Date: 23 Jan 2009 15:41:19
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Forget Morphy! How bad was this call?
On Jan 23 2009 2:44 PM, charrison100 wrote:

> On Jan 23 2009 2:39 PM, Raider Fan wrote:
>
> > Morphy worries about whether or not quads should call against an open
> > ended straight flush draw. Here's one from today. Down to the bubble in
> > a DoN and this clown calls my bet that puts him all in with a pair of
> > threes.
> >
> > PokerStars Game #24195308716: Tournament #135934435, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em
> > No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/01/23 13:13:17 ET
> > Table '135934435 1' 10-max Seat #10 is the button
> > Seat 3: Mankan708 (2020 in chips)
> > Seat 4: Raiders Rule (5440 in chips)
> > Seat 5: Jeromen (1115 in chips)
> > Seat 7: tangur1 (3615 in chips)
> > Seat 9: amoroso2007 (1430 in chips)
> > Seat 10: inge35 (1380 in chips)
> > Mankan708: posts the ante 20
> > Raiders Rule: posts the ante 20
> > Jeromen: posts the ante 20
> > tangur1: posts the ante 20
> > amoroso2007: posts the ante 20
> > inge35: posts the ante 20
> > Mankan708: posts small blind 100
> > Raiders Rule: posts big blind 200
> > *** HOLE CARDS ***
> > Dealt to Raiders Rule [Jh 2h]
> > Jeromen: folds
> > tangur1: folds
> > amoroso2007: calls 200
> > inge35: folds
> > Mankan708: calls 100
> > Raiders Rule: checks
> > *** FLOP *** [2d 3h 4h]
> > Mankan708: checks
> > Raiders Rule: bets 1850
> > amoroso2007: folds
> > Mankan708: calls 1800 and is all-in
> > Uncalled bet (50) returned to Raiders Rule
> > *** TURN *** [2d 3h 4h] [5d]
> > *** RIVER *** [2d 3h 4h 5d] [6h]
> > *** SHOW DOWN ***
> > Mankan708: shows [9s 3s] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
> > Raiders Rule: shows [Jh 2h] (a flush, Jack high)
> > Raiders Rule collected 4320 from pot
>
> Well he was winning when he made the call.
>
> Chris

Doesn't mean it was correct, he should fold 65o here on the flop against
Raider's hand.

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Date: 23 Jan 2009 16:23:29
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: Forget Morphy! How bad was this call?
On Jan 23 2009 6:41 PM, FellKnight wrote:

> On Jan 23 2009 2:44 PM, charrison100 wrote:
>
> > On Jan 23 2009 2:39 PM, Raider Fan wrote:
> >
> > > Morphy worries about whether or not quads should call against an open
> > > ended straight flush draw. Here's one from today. Down to the bubble in
> > > a DoN and this clown calls my bet that puts him all in with a pair of
> > > threes.
> > >
> > > PokerStars Game #24195308716: Tournament #135934435, $1.00+$0.10 Hold'em
> > > No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2009/01/23 13:13:17 ET
> > > Table '135934435 1' 10-max Seat #10 is the button
> > > Seat 3: Mankan708 (2020 in chips)
> > > Seat 4: Raiders Rule (5440 in chips)
> > > Seat 5: Jeromen (1115 in chips)
> > > Seat 7: tangur1 (3615 in chips)
> > > Seat 9: amoroso2007 (1430 in chips)
> > > Seat 10: inge35 (1380 in chips)
> > > Mankan708: posts the ante 20
> > > Raiders Rule: posts the ante 20
> > > Jeromen: posts the ante 20
> > > tangur1: posts the ante 20
> > > amoroso2007: posts the ante 20
> > > inge35: posts the ante 20
> > > Mankan708: posts small blind 100
> > > Raiders Rule: posts big blind 200
> > > *** HOLE CARDS ***
> > > Dealt to Raiders Rule [Jh 2h]
> > > Jeromen: folds
> > > tangur1: folds
> > > amoroso2007: calls 200
> > > inge35: folds
> > > Mankan708: calls 100
> > > Raiders Rule: checks
> > > *** FLOP *** [2d 3h 4h]
> > > Mankan708: checks
> > > Raiders Rule: bets 1850
> > > amoroso2007: folds
> > > Mankan708: calls 1800 and is all-in
> > > Uncalled bet (50) returned to Raiders Rule
> > > *** TURN *** [2d 3h 4h] [5d]
> > > *** RIVER *** [2d 3h 4h 5d] [6h]
> > > *** SHOW DOWN ***
> > > Mankan708: shows [9s 3s] (a straight, Deuce to Six)
> > > Raiders Rule: shows [Jh 2h] (a flush, Jack high)
> > > Raiders Rule collected 4320 from pot
> >
> > Well he was winning when he made the call.
> >
> > Chris
>
> Doesn't mean it was correct, he should fold 65o here on the flop against
> Raider's hand.
>
> Fell
> --
> Be Loud. Be Proud. Be Considerate!

But he didn't know RR hand. I think it was a poor call with middle pair no
draw.

Chris

"NO! I want this shit to STOP! Right NOW! Nobody takes me serious
anymore." - Paul
Popinjay, 01/16/2009

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