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Date: 03 Feb 2009 11:00:17
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Evil Person Gets Put Away for 5 Years
http://www.rgj.com/article/20090203/NEWS18/90203021&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

I know I'm a lot safer now. Thank God we live in society where we lock
these scumbags up. He should receive a life sentence and then given the
electric chair right before he dies of natural causes!!!!

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 17:58:47
From: NG-USER-777
Subject: Re: Evil Person Gets Put Away for 5 Years
Jason Pawloski wrote:
> http://www.rgj.com/article/20090203/NEWS18/90203021&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews
>
> I know I'm a lot safer now. Thank God we live in society where we lock
> these scumbags up. He should receive a life sentence and then given the
> electric chair right before he dies of natural causes!!!!

Yet Obama wants to empty Gitmo.


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 14:03:43
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Evil Person Gets Put Away for 5 Years
On Feb 3 2009 1:00 PM, Jason Pawloski wrote:

>
http://www.rgj.com/article/20090203/NEWS18/90203021&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews
>
> I know I'm a lot safer now. Thank God we live in society where we lock
> these scumbags up. He should receive a life sentence and then given the
> electric chair right before he dies of natural causes!!!!
>
> --
> "Actually, I will read Jason's posts too. He's smart also." - Paul
> Popinjay, 10/21/2007 (http://tinyurl.com/4bggyp)

I don't know about evil, but this guy must be the dumbest motherfucker on
the planet. The feds made it VERY clear when various states passed
decriminalization or "medical" pot laws that those local/state laws did
not change federal law. To subsequently break federal law, do so VERY
publicly, and then plead guilty to it (as opposed to say challenging the
federal law as an invalid use of the commerce clause or something) is the
height of stupidity. It's the worst possible play given the situation
because it's 100% guaranteed you will lose. You'd be far smarter to just
deal pot on the street corner.

I don't know if it's sound national policy to put drooling morons in jail,
but let's not kid ourselves - that's exactly why this guy is headed to
prison.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 20:12:12
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Evil Person Gets Put Away for 5 Years
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 14:03:43 -0800, "Wayne Vinson"
<a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>I don't know about evil, but this guy must be the dumbest motherfucker on
>the planet. The feds made it VERY clear when various states passed
>decriminalization or "medical" pot laws that those local/state laws did
>not change federal law. To subsequently break federal law, do so VERY
>publicly, and then plead guilty to it (as opposed to say challenging the
>federal law as an invalid use of the commerce clause or something) is the
>height of stupidity. It's the worst possible play given the situation
>because it's 100% guaranteed you will lose. You'd be far smarter to just
>deal pot on the street corner.

I'd agree with you as to the guy's stupidity IF he pled guilty in a
way that didn't allow him to contest the constitutionality of the law.
(I think federal laws against medical marijuana are probably
violations of Tenth Amendment-protected state sovereignty when states
clearly enact legislation allowing it.)

He also might have ended up in a situation where his case suddenly
collapsed around him, he ran out of money, or whatever, and pleading
was better than what he'd otherwise get.

But until I've seen the papers filed by his lawyers, I don't know
whether he was stupid. He might have reserved the right to a
constitutional challenge. If so, that would be cheaper than losing a
case, running out of money, and then trying to launch a constitutional
challenge with no money.


   
Date: 03 Feb 2009 20:11:33
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Evil Person Gets Put Away for 5 Years
On Feb 3 2009 7:12 PM, A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:

> I'd agree with you as to the guy's stupidity IF he pled guilty in a
> way that didn't allow him to contest the constitutionality of the law.
> (I think federal laws against medical marijuana are probably
> violations of Tenth Amendment-protected state sovereignty when states
> clearly enact legislation allowing it.)
>
> He also might have ended up in a situation where his case suddenly
> collapsed around him, he ran out of money, or whatever, and pleading
> was better than what he'd otherwise get.
>
> But until I've seen the papers filed by his lawyers, I don't know
> whether he was stupid. He might have reserved the right to a
> constitutional challenge. If so, that would be cheaper than losing a
> case, running out of money, and then trying to launch a constitutional
> challenge with no money.

I agree there's some chance the federal law could be beaten if he went
that route.

However I believe all plea agreements effectively forfeit your right to
appeal. Or at the very least the first step of the appeal is trying to
convince some higher court to vacate the plea deal, which is typically a
non-starter and if successful puts you back in the same hot water you were
in before the plea.

Just plain dumb no matter how you look at it.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 23:53:08
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Evil Person Gets Put Away for 5 Years
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:11:33 -0800, "Wayne Vinson"
<a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>However I believe all plea agreements effectively forfeit your right to
>appeal. Or at the very least the first step of the appeal is trying to
>convince some higher court to vacate the plea deal, which is typically a
>non-starter and if successful puts you back in the same hot water you were
>in before the plea.

Not true. There are plea deals where you cop to the facts which would
result in a conviction under the law, but reserve the right to appeal
on the basis that the law itself is unconstitutional. I believe
there's a name for that kind of plea, but I can't think of it at the
moment.

The purpose of such a plea is to save the state and the defendant time
in arguing about the facts of the case, since everyone is agreed on
those, and get right to appealing, presumably on the basis that the
case would end up in appeals court very soon anyway. It saves
everyone time and money and cuts to the chase in a court whose opinion
actually matters. This serves judicial economy by saving scarce court
resources.


     
Date: 04 Feb 2009 18:41:23
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Evil Person Gets Put Away for 5 Years
"A Man Beaten by Jacks"
>
>>However I believe all plea agreements effectively forfeit your right to
>>appeal. Or at the very least the first step of the appeal is trying to
>>convince some higher court to vacate the plea deal, which is typically a
>>non-starter and if successful puts you back in the same hot water you were
>>in before the plea.
>
> Not true. There are plea deals where you cop to the facts which would
> result in a conviction under the law, but reserve the right to appeal
> on the basis that the law itself is unconstitutional. I believe
> there's a name for that kind of plea, but I can't think of it at the
> moment.

Some states allow a conditional plea ... some do not.




     
Date: 04 Feb 2009 09:49:16
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Evil Person Gets Put Away for 5 Years
A Man Beaten by Jacks, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh,
2/3/2009 10:53 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness
loose on Usenet:
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:11:33 -0800, "Wayne Vinson"
> <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
>> However I believe all plea agreements effectively forfeit your right to
>> appeal. Or at the very least the first step of the appeal is trying to
>> convince some higher court to vacate the plea deal, which is typically a
>> non-starter and if successful puts you back in the same hot water you were
>> in before the plea.
>
> Not true. There are plea deals where you cop to the facts which would
> result in a conviction under the law, but reserve the right to appeal
> on the basis that the law itself is unconstitutional. I believe
> there's a name for that kind of plea, but I can't think of it at the
> moment.
>

"Defendant nullification". <stupid smiley goes here >

> The purpose of such a plea is to save the state and the defendant time
> in arguing about the facts of the case, since everyone is agreed on
> those, and get right to appealing, presumably on the basis that the
> case would end up in appeals court very soon anyway. It saves
> everyone time and money and cuts to the chase in a court whose opinion
> actually matters. This serves judicial economy by saving scarce court
> resources.


 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 15:05:18
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Evil Person Gets Put Away for 5 Years
On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:00:17 -0800, "Jason Pawloski"
<a6794a4@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>http://www.rgj.com/article/20090203/NEWS18/90203021&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews

>I know I'm a lot safer now. Thank God we live in society where we lock
>these scumbags up. He should receive a life sentence and then given the
>electric chair right before he dies of natural causes!!!!

Life in the electric chair!


  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 14:41:48
From: Robert Ladd
Subject: Re: Evil Person Gets Put Away for 5 Years

"A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nobody@fool.foo > wrote in message
news:kr8ho41tvr8r2vopl9vjha9g6nfl0a70a4@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2009 11:00:17 -0800, "Jason Pawloski"
> <a6794a4@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
>>http://www.rgj.com/article/20090203/NEWS18/90203021&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews
>
>>I know I'm a lot safer now. Thank God we live in society where we lock
>>these scumbags up. He should receive a life sentence and then given the
>>electric chair right before he dies of natural causes!!!!
>
> Life in the electric chair!

Oh, now that's clever. Think about it.

Robert Ladd




 
Date: 03 Feb 2009 13:54:13
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Evil Person Gets Put Away for 5 Years
"Jason Pawloski"

> http://www.rgj.com/article/20090203/NEWS18/90203021&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews
>
> I know I'm a lot safer now. Thank God we live in society where we lock
> these scumbags up. He should receive a life sentence and then given the
> electric chair right before he dies of natural causes!!!!

Sarcasm does not work well in this medium.




  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 12:10:18
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: Evil Person Gets Put Away for 5 Years
On Feb 3 2009 12:54 PM, da pickle wrote:

> "Jason Pawloski"
>
> >
http://www.rgj.com/article/20090203/NEWS18/90203021&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews
> >
> > I know I'm a lot safer now. Thank God we live in society where we lock
> > these scumbags up. He should receive a life sentence and then given the
> > electric chair right before he dies of natural causes!!!!
>
> Sarcasm does not work well in this medium.

I refuse to admit anyone actually exists who thinks that throwing people
like this in jail is a good idea, so I sort of assume everyone will know
it's sarcasm.

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Popinjay, 10/21/2007 (http://tinyurl.com/4bggyp)

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Date: 03 Feb 2009 14:47:27
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Evil Person Gets Put Away for 5 Years

"Jason Pawloski" <a6794a4@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:1rgm56xi6n.ln2@recgroups.com...
> http://www.rgj.com/article/20090203/NEWS18/90203021&OAS_sitepage=news.rgj.com%2Fbreakingnews
>
> I know I'm a lot safer now. Thank God we live in society where we lock
> these scumbags up. He should receive a life sentence and then given the
> electric chair right before he dies of natural causes!!!!

When I read "evil person" and "scumbags" I though some one had finally sent
Barney Frank and Chris Dodd to prison.

Irish Mike





  
Date: 03 Feb 2009 12:23:55
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Evil Person Gets Put Away for 5 Years
On Feb 3, 11:47=A0am, "Irish Reich" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:


> When I read "evil person" and "scumbags" I though some one had finally se=
nt
> Barney Frank and Chris Dodd to prison.




That's because you're a fucking idiot.