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Date: 17 Jan 2009 12:11:18
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Dumbest things in poker
If you play much poker, there's one thing you can bank on. You will see
people do, and say, really dumb things.
Now some people list their "pet peeves" in poker games but this is not that
kind of list. If it "peeves" you, it upsets or angers you. None of the
things on my list upset me, I just think they're dumb. Here's mine - I'd be
interested in reading yours if you care to share:

1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot. Winner
survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One players always
wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you knock me out of
this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or take a bunch of my
money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when the guy they wished
the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant about how stupid the guy
plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can you get? It's not good
sportsmanship - it's just dumb.

2. "Poor loser". When did the silly, childish rants of ego-maniacs like
Phil Helmuth, Hevad Khan and Eric Molina become acceptable? What is the
point of attacking and insulting your opponent after he beats you? Do you
think he's going to feel bad? Give you your money back? The tournament
director is going to give you more chips and let you keep playing? Good
sportsmanship is saying nothing, offering to shake your opponent's hand and
walking away with your head up - and your mouth shut.

3. "Lousy winner" Gloating, showing off or insulting your opponent when you
win. What ever happened to the quiet, gracious winner? You beat the man,
you took his money and you might have knocked him out of the tournament.
Why isn't that enough? Why jump around and start screaming like some
half-assed cheer leader on speed? You won because your flush card hit on
the river. You didn't sink a 50 foot putt at the U.S. Open or win the
Olympic 100 yard dash. Show some class and "act like you've been there
before". Offer to shake your opponent's hand, then sit back down with your
head up - and your mouth shut.

4. "The weak nerves trot". When did poker players start jumping up from the
table and trotting around the room when they went all-in? Maybe I'm old
fashioned but I always thought a good poker player should be able to stay
calm under pressure. To have the ability to sit in your seat and watch the
board all the way to the river card. You only get up when the hand is over.
You either get up to shake your opponents hand and walk away or to shake
your opponents hand as he walks away. One of my goals in a poker game is to
show no emotion at all - win or lose. And I greatly admire the players I
see who do that. It might not make good TV entertainment but, to me, it's
one of the traits of an excellent player.

Irish Mike






 
Date: 18 Jan 2009 12:17:15
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
The new poker phrase, "NICE HAND"? I never heard this before the
scooters started playing. A guy hits runner runner for a about a
1000-1 and he has a nice hand? PLEASE. A guy suckers out on the river
and wins a pot, being a 50-1 dog? Nice hand? Are you crazy? I never
heard nice hand until scooters started playing. I heard, "take it",
"best hand" and about everything else, but "nice hand" was not an
expression I ever heard until the TV scoots started playing. It sure
is a nice hand when a guy hits runner runner to to beat your 4 of a
kind. Nice hand? The guys an idiot and you say NICE HAND. You say,
take it, you say best hand, you keep quiet. Saying nice hand makes you
a MO -ron.







On Jan 17, 9:11=EF=BF=BDam, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> If you play much poker, there's one thing you can bank on. =EF=BF=BDYou w=
ill see
> people do, and say, really dumb things.
> Now some people list their "pet peeves" in poker games but this is not th=
at
> kind of list. =EF=BF=BDIf it "peeves" you, it upsets or angers you. =EF=
=BF=BDNone of the
> things on my list upset me, I just think they're dumb. Here's mine - I'd =
be
> interested in reading yours if you care to share:
>
> 1. "Good luck". =EF=BF=BDTwo players are all-in, heads-up for a monster p=
ot. =EF=BF=BDWinner
> survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. =EF=BF=BDOne play=
ers always
> wishes his opponent, "good luck". =EF=BF=BDWhat? =EF=BF=BDAs in "I hope y=
ou knock me out of
> this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or take a bunch of my
> money"? =EF=BF=BD =EF=BF=BDThen, for some of the really dumb ones, when t=
he guy they wished
> the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant about how stupid the g=
uy
> plays. =EF=BF=BDI mean, just how dumb and insincere can you get? =EF=BF=
=BDIt's not good
> sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>
> 2. "Poor loser". =EF=BF=BDWhen did the silly, childish rants of ego-mania=
cs like
> Phil Helmuth, Hevad Khan and Eric Molina become acceptable? =EF=BF=BDWhat=
is the
> point of attacking and insulting your opponent after he beats you? =EF=BF=
=BDDo you
> think he's going to feel bad? =EF=BF=BDGive you your money back? =EF=BF=
=BDThe tournament
> director is going to give you more chips and let you keep playing? =EF=BF=
=BDGood
> sportsmanship is saying nothing, offering to shake your opponent's hand a=
nd
> walking away with your head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 3. "Lousy winner" =EF=BF=BDGloating, showing off or insulting your oppone=
nt when you
> win. =EF=BF=BDWhat ever happened to the quiet, gracious winner? =EF=BF=BD=
You beat the man,
> you took his money and you might have knocked him out of the tournament.
> Why isn't that enough? =EF=BF=BDWhy jump around and start screaming like =
some
> half-assed cheer leader on speed? =EF=BF=BDYou won because your flush car=
d hit on
> the river. =EF=BF=BDYou didn't sink a 50 foot putt at the U.S. Open or wi=
n the
> Olympic 100 yard dash. =EF=BF=BDShow some class and "act like you've been=
there
> before". =EF=BF=BDOffer to shake your opponent's hand, then sit back down=
with your
> head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 4. "The weak nerves trot". =EF=BF=BDWhen did poker players start jumping =
up from the
> table and trotting around the room when they went all-in? =EF=BF=BDMaybe =
I'm old
> fashioned but I always thought a good poker player should be able to stay
> calm under pressure. =EF=BF=BDTo have the ability to sit in your seat and=
watch the
> board all the way to the river card. =EF=BF=BDYou only get up when the ha=
nd is over.
> You either get up to shake your opponents hand and walk away or to shake
> your opponents hand as he walks away. =EF=BF=BDOne of my goals in a poker=
game is to
> show no emotion at all - win or lose. =EF=BF=BDAnd I greatly admire the p=
layers I
> see who do that. =EF=BF=BDIt might not make good TV entertainment but, to=
me, it's
> one of the traits of an excellent player.
>
> Irish Mike



  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 13:41:32
From:
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

Or you'll hear "Nice Bet", "Good Bet", "Good Hand".
Yes, I believe poker can be/is a gentlemen's game, but at the same
time it's not meant to be a pretty game. It is EXTREMELY disingenuous
once some jackass takes you for 3/4 of your stack on a 2 outter on the
river and the first thing you say is "Nice Hand"! Usually the first
and only phrase that comes out is "You gotta be fucking kidding me?!"
But after a couple minutes I'll say to myself "those chips will come
back this way", especially if they're lost to a bad player.


On Jan 18, 2:17=A0pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com >
wrote:
> The new poker phrase, "NICE HAND"? I never heard this before the
> scooters started playing. A guy hits runner runner for a about a
> 1000-1 and he has a nice hand? PLEASE. A guy suckers out on the river
> and wins a pot, being a 50-1 dog? Nice hand? Are you crazy? I never
> heard nice hand until scooters started playing. I heard, "take it",
> "best hand" and about everything else, but "nice hand" was not an
> expression I ever heard until the TV scoots started playing. It sure
> is a nice hand when a guy hits runner runner to to beat your 4 of a
> kind. Nice hand? The guys an idiot and you say NICE HAND. You say,
> take it, you say best hand, you keep quiet. Saying nice hand makes you
> a MO -ron.


  
Date: 18 Jan 2009 17:22:10
From: MZB
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
Russ:

I think the logic behind it is to be nice to the morons. You want these
suckout idiots to stay at your table.

I personally would have to resist the temptation to utter a few choice
non-complimentary phrases. But I can usually keep quiet.

Mel
<RussGeorgiev@aol.com > wrote in message
news:7cca5a60-e00f-412d-9626-88ac5b1b1ff4@w24g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
The new poker phrase, "NICE HAND"? I never heard this before the
scooters started playing. A guy hits runner runner for a about a
1000-1 and he has a nice hand? PLEASE. A guy suckers out on the river
and wins a pot, being a 50-1 dog? Nice hand? Are you crazy? I never
heard nice hand until scooters started playing. I heard, "take it",
"best hand" and about everything else, but "nice hand" was not an
expression I ever heard until the TV scoots started playing. It sure
is a nice hand when a guy hits runner runner to to beat your 4 of a
kind. Nice hand? The guys an idiot and you say NICE HAND. You say,
take it, you say best hand, you keep quiet. Saying nice hand makes you
a MO -ron.







On Jan 17, 9:11?am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> If you play much poker, there's one thing you can bank on. ?You will see
> people do, and say, really dumb things.
> Now some people list their "pet peeves" in poker games but this is not
> that
> kind of list. ?If it "peeves" you, it upsets or angers you. ?None of the
> things on my list upset me, I just think they're dumb. Here's mine - I'd
> be
> interested in reading yours if you care to share:
>
> 1. "Good luck". ?Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot.
> ?Winner
> survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. ?One players
> always
> wishes his opponent, "good luck". ?What? ?As in "I hope you knock me out
> of
> this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or take a bunch of my
> money"? ? ?Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when the guy they
> wished
> the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant about how stupid the
> guy
> plays. ?I mean, just how dumb and insincere can you get? ?It's not good
> sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>
> 2. "Poor loser". ?When did the silly, childish rants of ego-maniacs like
> Phil Helmuth, Hevad Khan and Eric Molina become acceptable? ?What is the
> point of attacking and insulting your opponent after he beats you? ?Do you
> think he's going to feel bad? ?Give you your money back? ?The tournament
> director is going to give you more chips and let you keep playing? ?Good
> sportsmanship is saying nothing, offering to shake your opponent's hand
> and
> walking away with your head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 3. "Lousy winner" ?Gloating, showing off or insulting your opponent when
> you
> win. ?What ever happened to the quiet, gracious winner? ?You beat the man,
> you took his money and you might have knocked him out of the tournament.
> Why isn't that enough? ?Why jump around and start screaming like some
> half-assed cheer leader on speed? ?You won because your flush card hit on
> the river. ?You didn't sink a 50 foot putt at the U.S. Open or win the
> Olympic 100 yard dash. ?Show some class and "act like you've been there
> before". ?Offer to shake your opponent's hand, then sit back down with
> your
> head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 4. "The weak nerves trot". ?When did poker players start jumping up from
> the
> table and trotting around the room when they went all-in? ?Maybe I'm old
> fashioned but I always thought a good poker player should be able to stay
> calm under pressure. ?To have the ability to sit in your seat and watch
> the
> board all the way to the river card. ?You only get up when the hand is
> over.
> You either get up to shake your opponents hand and walk away or to shake
> your opponents hand as he walks away. ?One of my goals in a poker game is
> to
> show no emotion at all - win or lose. ?And I greatly admire the players I
> see who do that. ?It might not make good TV entertainment but, to me, it's
> one of the traits of an excellent player.
>
> Irish Mike




 
Date: 17 Jan 2009 22:53:25
From: lvdlrs
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
Not calling in the small blind in limit holdem when you're getting
ridiculous pot odds. I once saw a guy getting 23 to 1 who folded for a
measly $5 more in a 15-30 game with a 10 -15 blind structure. I don't
want to be results-orientated but yeah he would have made quads.

Gary (...) Philips

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Date: 18 Jan 2009 16:09:23
From: poker widow
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 18 2009 1:53 AM, lvdlrs wrote:

> Not calling in the small blind in limit holdem when you're getting
> ridiculous pot odds. I once saw a guy getting 23 to 1 who folded for a
> measly $5 more in a 15-30 game with a 10 -15 blind structure. I don't
> want to be results-orientated but yeah he would have made quads.
>
> Gary (...) Philips

hey Gary! what up? your friend from vegas here. don't want to say cause
doggystyle will know it's me... haha. m give me an email address to write
to you.
your clue is
we worked the shoe together, and i was working w/ dave lamb while you were
in tunica doing the same thing i was doing. what are you doing now? and i
hung out w/ K hudson

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Date: 25 Jan 2009 08:05:07
From: lvdlrs
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 18 2009 7:09 PM, poker widow wrote:

> hey Gary! what up? your friend from vegas here. don't want to say cause
> doggystyle will know it's me... haha. m give me an email address to write
> to you.
> your clue is
> we worked the shoe together, and i was working w/ dave lamb while you were
> in tunica doing the same thing i was doing. what are you doing now? and i
> hung out w/ K hudson

I guess doggy and I both know who you are. I can be reached at lvdlrs at
q dot com.

Gary (...) Philips

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Date: 25 Jan 2009 10:57:03
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 25 2009 10:05 AM, lvdlrs wrote:

> On Jan 18 2009 7:09 PM, poker widow wrote:
>
> > hey Gary! what up? your friend from vegas here. don't want to say cause
> > doggystyle will know it's me... haha. m give me an email address to write
> > to you.
> > your clue is
> > we worked the shoe together, and i was working w/ dave lamb while you were
> > in tunica doing the same thing i was doing. what are you doing now? and i
> > hung out w/ K hudson
>
> I guess doggy and I both know who you are. I can be reached at lvdlrs at
> q dot com.
>
> Gary (...) Philips

she thinks she is 'sneakying" back in .


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Date: 25 Jan 2009 05:00:17
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 18 2009 6:09 PM, poker widow wrote:

> On Jan 18 2009 1:53 AM, lvdlrs wrote:
>
> > Not calling in the small blind in limit holdem when you're getting
> > ridiculous pot odds. I once saw a guy getting 23 to 1 who folded for a
> > measly $5 more in a 15-30 game with a 10 -15 blind structure. I don't
> > want to be results-orientated but yeah he would have made quads.
> >
> > Gary (...) Philips
>
> hey Gary! what up? your friend from vegas here. don't want to say cause
> doggystyle will know it's me... haha. m give me an email address to write
> to you.
> your clue is
> we worked the shoe together, and i was working w/ dave lamb while you were
> in tunica doing the same thing i was doing. what are you doing now? and i
> hung out w/ K hudson


I already know who it is , and I was just kidding about the "doggystyle"
thingy last year

Poetic license !!

Say hi to Dave for me !!

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Date: 18 Jan 2009 12:08:23
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

"lvdlrs" <a5bfe91@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:580b46xmn1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Not calling in the small blind in limit holdem when you're getting
> ridiculous pot odds. I once saw a guy getting 23 to 1 who folded for a
> measly $5 more in a 15-30 game with a 10 -15 blind structure. I don't
> want to be results-orientated but yeah he would have made quads.
>
> Gary (...) Philips

I'll play 7-2o in that spot, especially if I have a read that the BB isn't
going to excersize his option. Ya never know what the flop will bring, and
in some 3-6 chip games (whether $3-$6 or $15-$30) if you have 7 limpers you
MUST call the 1/3 of the blind.

--
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Date: 20 Jan 2009 08:14:00
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
> I'll play 7-2o in that spot, especially if I have a read that the BB isn't
> going to excersize his option. Ya never know what the flop will bring, and
> in some 3-6 chip games (whether $3-$6 or $15-$30) if you have 7 limpers you
> MUST call the 1/3 of the blind.
>
> --
> Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles

Shit the games I play I will complete my SB if there are 3-4 limpers. It
is worth it.

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nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
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Date: 25 Jan 2009 04:55:14
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 20 2009 10:14 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > I'll play 7-2o in that spot, especially if I have a read that the BB isn't
> > going to excersize his option. Ya never know what the flop will bring,
and
> > in some 3-6 chip games (whether $3-$6 or $15-$30) if you have 7 limpers
you
> > MUST call the 1/3 of the blind.
> >
> > --
> > Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles
>
> Shit the games I play I will complete my SB if there are 3-4 limpers. It
> is worth it.

Which leads to a myriad of posts that start with .. "I had been playing
all day and I was 280 stuck.....
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
> BOOM byae
> John


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Date: 20 Jan 2009 09:21:20
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 20 2009 11:14 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > I'll play 7-2o in that spot, especially if I have a read that the BB isn't
> > going to excersize his option. Ya never know what the flop will bring,
and
> > in some 3-6 chip games (whether $3-$6 or $15-$30) if you have 7 limpers
you
> > MUST call the 1/3 of the blind.
> >
> > --
> > Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles
>
> Shit the games I play I will complete my SB if there are 3-4 limpers. It
> is worth it.

No it isn't, not in your games.

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Date: 18 Jan 2009 08:51:17
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

"lvdlrs" <a5bfe91@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:580b46xmn1.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Not calling in the small blind in limit holdem when you're getting
> ridiculous pot odds. I once saw a guy getting 23 to 1 who folded for a
> measly $5 more in a 15-30 game with a 10 -15 blind structure. I don't
> want to be results-orientated but yeah he would have made quads.
>
> Gary (...) Philips

Good point, particularly in a $10 - $15 blind structure.

Irish Mike




  
Date: 18 Jan 2009 02:29:08
From: RazzO
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
Yea.


On Jan 17 2009 10:53 PM, lvdlrs wrote:

> Not calling in the small blind in limit holdem when you're getting
> ridiculous pot odds. I once saw a guy getting 23 to 1 who folded for a
> measly $5 more in a 15-30 game with a 10 -15 blind structure. I don't
> want to be results-orientated but yeah he would have made quads.
>
> Gary (...) Philips


RazzO
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Date: 17 Jan 2009 20:10:58
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:11:18 -0500, "Irish Mike"
<mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote:

>1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot. Winner
>survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One players always
>wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you knock me out of
>this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or take a bunch of my
>money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when the guy they wished
>the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant about how stupid the guy
>plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can you get? It's not good
>sportsmanship - it's just dumb.

Nobody has yet mentioned my favorite:

"Sorry." You suck out against someone, are you *really* sorry? I
sure as hell am not. I'm glad I didn't lose the pot.


  
Date: 18 Jan 2009 06:05:51
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

"Pepe Papon" <seth.at.rowtown.dot.net@earthlink.invalid > wrote in message
news:9sa5n41sp0rgajk78jgv2t9j5anl72e3bu@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:11:18 -0500, "Irish Mike"
> <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>>1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot.
>>Winner
>>survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One players
>>always
>>wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you knock me out
>>of
>>this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or take a bunch of my
>>money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when the guy they
>>wished
>>the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant about how stupid the
>>guy
>>plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can you get? It's not good
>>sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>
> Nobody has yet mentioned my favorite:
>
> "Sorry." You suck out against someone, are you *really* sorry?

Yes, I am.
On those extremely rare occasions where I make a horrible read and get it in
bad and suck out, I don't deserve the pot.




   
Date: 18 Jan 2009 12:44:22
From: MZB
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
Well, if you are TRULY sorry, give it back.

Mel
"Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net > wrote in message
news:3Fzcl.344$Aw2.170@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>
> "Pepe Papon" <seth.at.rowtown.dot.net@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
> news:9sa5n41sp0rgajk78jgv2t9j5anl72e3bu@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:11:18 -0500, "Irish Mike"
>> <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>
>>>1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot.
>>>Winner
>>>survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One players
>>>always
>>>wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you knock me out
>>>of
>>>this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or take a bunch of my
>>>money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when the guy they
>>>wished
>>>the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant about how stupid the
>>>guy
>>>plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can you get? It's not good
>>>sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>>
>> Nobody has yet mentioned my favorite:
>>
>> "Sorry." You suck out against someone, are you *really* sorry?
>
> Yes, I am.
> On those extremely rare occasions where I make a horrible read and get it
> in bad and suck out, I don't deserve the pot.
>




    
Date: 21 Jan 2009 04:32:51
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

"MZB" <moo@noway.prudigy.net > wrote in message
news:VTJcl.91688$3_4.22860@newsfe10.iad...
> Well, if you are TRULY sorry, give it back.
In a tournament, that's not allowed.

>
> Mel
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldinyyz@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:3Fzcl.344$Aw2.170@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
>>
>> "Pepe Papon" <seth.at.rowtown.dot.net@earthlink.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:9sa5n41sp0rgajk78jgv2t9j5anl72e3bu@4ax.com...
>>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:11:18 -0500, "Irish Mike"
>>> <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot.
>>>>Winner
>>>>survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One players
>>>>always
>>>>wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you knock me out
>>>>of
>>>>this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or take a bunch of
>>>>my
>>>>money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when the guy they
>>>>wished
>>>>the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant about how stupid the
>>>>guy
>>>>plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can you get? It's not good
>>>>sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>>>
>>> Nobody has yet mentioned my favorite:
>>>
>>> "Sorry." You suck out against someone, are you *really* sorry?
>>
>> Yes, I am.
>> On those extremely rare occasions where I make a horrible read and get it
>> in bad and suck out, I don't deserve the pot.
>>
>
>




  
Date: 18 Jan 2009 00:23:25
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:10:58 -0800, Pepe Papon
<seth.at.rowtown.dot.net@earthlink.invalid > wrote:

>On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 12:11:18 -0500, "Irish Mike"
><mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote:

>>1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot. Winner
>>survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One players always
>>wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you knock me out of
>>this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or take a bunch of my
>>money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when the guy they wished
>>the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant about how stupid the guy
>>plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can you get? It's not good
>>sportsmanship - it's just dumb.

>Nobody has yet mentioned my favorite:

>"Sorry." You suck out against someone, are you *really* sorry? I
>sure as hell am not. I'm glad I didn't lose the pot.

I disagree with about all this shit. No, you're not really sorry, but
it isn't dumb to say you are. Just like you aren't really sorry, in
the sense of feeling actual sorrow, when you stumble into some guy
coming around a corner. But you say it for the sake of courtesy,
because you'd rather not be a dick after you collided with someone,
and for that matter, because whoever the fuck you walked into, even if
they look like a dweeb and not like a bad motherfucker, could be some
psycho looking for an excuse to go Bernie Goetz on someone.

So you say sorry. And maybe you actually are.

Similarly, what the fuck is the wrong with wishing good luck to an
opponent? Does it cost you a fucking penny? Nope. Does it make you
less lucky? Nope. It's just a courtesy, an act of friendliness that
costs you nothing. Do you really mean it? Well, no, not really. You
hope you win.

I'll agree with IM on one thing, though. After wishing your opponent
luck, if your opponent then gets lucky and you berate them, you are a
true fucking retard. I'd agree with IM that the people who do that
are among the lowest of dumbshits. Do not wish your opponent luck if
you are then going to be a disgraceful piece of churlish shit if your
opponent actually has the luck you just wished them.


   
Date: 17 Jan 2009 21:33:39
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
"A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nobody@fool.foo > wrote in message
news:qse5n4duh8jnrgl8s8m7403hbf0k8epb1j@4ax.com...

<... >

> So you say sorry. And maybe you actually are.

I'd rather hear that than "That's poker."

That one really makes my butt itch.

Jim




    
Date: 18 Jan 2009 17:25:25
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:33:39 -0800, "Clave"
<ClaviusNoSpamDammit@cablespeed.com > wrote:

>"A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nobody@fool.foo> wrote in message
>news:qse5n4duh8jnrgl8s8m7403hbf0k8epb1j@4ax.com...
>
><...>
>
>> So you say sorry. And maybe you actually are.
>
>I'd rather hear that than "That's poker."
>
>That one really makes my butt itch.

Too much information.


 
Date: 17 Jan 2009 22:10:47
From: Stephen Jacobs
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:6jocl.17972$Ws1.5633@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
> If you play much poker, there's one thing you can bank on. You will see
> people do, and say, really dumb things.
> Now some people list their "pet peeves" in poker games but this is not
> that kind of list. If it "peeves" you, it upsets or angers you. None of
> the things on my list upset me, I just think they're dumb. Here's mine -
> I'd be interested in reading yours if you care to share:
>
> 1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot.
> Winner survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One
> players always wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you
> knock me out of this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or
> take a bunch of my money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when
> the guy they wished the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant
> about how stupid the guy plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can
> you get? It's not good sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>

This is reasonable if, and only if, the player wishing the other good luck
has genuinely adopted Mike Caro's attitude to tournament play--It's just a
job. You make correct decisions for $1000 an hour (that's a composite of
some seriously-intended numbers I've collected from top pros). Caro claims
that whenever he gets into a cards-up confrontation, he would genuinely
prefer it if his opponent won THIS time.

Anyone who wants to put Mike Caro on a personal "dumbest things in poker"
list can probably get lots of people to take either side of the issue.

I consider over-use of hand nicknames seriously dumb. Pocket aces, for
instance, are rockets once a session, American Airlines maybe once every
other session and weapons of mass destroction once a year, tops. The rest
of the time, they're aces.




 
Date: 17 Jan 2009 15:47:17
From: Arlo-Payne
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 17 2009 10:11 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> If you play much poker, there's one thing you can bank on. You will see
> people do, and say, really dumb things.
> Now some people list their "pet peeves" in poker games but this is not that
> kind of list. If it "peeves" you, it upsets or angers you. None of the
> things on my list upset me, I just think they're dumb. Here's mine - I'd be
> interested in reading yours if you care to share:
>
> 1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot. Winner
> survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One players always
> wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you knock me out of
> this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or take a bunch of my
> money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when the guy they wished
> the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant about how stupid the guy
> plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can you get? It's not good
> sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>
> 2. "Poor loser". When did the silly, childish rants of ego-maniacs like
> Phil Helmuth, Hevad Khan and Eric Molina become acceptable? What is the
> point of attacking and insulting your opponent after he beats you? Do you
> think he's going to feel bad? Give you your money back? The tournament
> director is going to give you more chips and let you keep playing? Good
> sportsmanship is saying nothing, offering to shake your opponent's hand and
> walking away with your head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 3. "Lousy winner" Gloating, showing off or insulting your opponent when you
> win. What ever happened to the quiet, gracious winner? You beat the man,
> you took his money and you might have knocked him out of the tournament.
> Why isn't that enough? Why jump around and start screaming like some
> half-assed cheer leader on speed? You won because your flush card hit on
> the river. You didn't sink a 50 foot putt at the U.S. Open or win the
> Olympic 100 yard dash. Show some class and "act like you've been there
> before". Offer to shake your opponent's hand, then sit back down with your
> head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 4. "The weak nerves trot". When did poker players start jumping up from the
> table and trotting around the room when they went all-in? Maybe I'm old
> fashioned but I always thought a good poker player should be able to stay
> calm under pressure. To have the ability to sit in your seat and watch the
> board all the way to the river card. You only get up when the hand is over.
> You either get up to shake your opponents hand and walk away or to shake
> your opponents hand as he walks away. One of my goals in a poker game is to
> show no emotion at all - win or lose. And I greatly admire the players I
> see who do that. It might not make good TV entertainment but, to me, it's
> one of the traits of an excellent player.
>
> Irish Mike

I am giving strong consideration to stopping Phils bullshit outburst
during this years WSOP. If Harrahs will not keep him controlled perhaps a
TRO will. If I decide to try and get one I will be asking others to join
in in name only I will cover all costs

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Date: 21 Jan 2009 23:46:53
From: pausem
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 21, 6:57=A0am, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo > wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:44:48 -0800 (PST),pausem
>
> <paulsem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Jan 18, 8:00=A0pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:22:25 -0800, "Arlo-Payne"
> >> <arlo_pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> >Well if you can not understand why one should fold AA if the conditio=
ns
> >> >call for it then you really need to improve your game.
> >> If your answer is "preflop in a cash game" ever, you're wrong. Period.
> >You have As Ac in the BB against the following hands who are all all
> >in and each has accidentally flashed you their cards.
>
> I believe we mentioned, at some point, that we were playing poker.
> That generally does not involve every player at the table flashing you
> their cards.

I wasn't talking generally.

You said there was NEVER a reason to fold in a cash game. PERIOD.

All I did was give one example where you should.


   
Date: 22 Jan 2009 09:03:42
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Wed, 21 Jan 2009 23:46:53 -0800 (PST), pausem
<paulsemple@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 21, 6:57 am, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo> wrote:
>> On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:44:48 -0800 (PST),pausem
>>
>> <paulsem...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Jan 18, 8:00 pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo> wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:22:25 -0800, "Arlo-Payne"
>> >> <arlo_pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >Well if you can not understand why one should fold AA if the conditions
>> >> >call for it then you really need to improve your game.
>> >> If your answer is "preflop in a cash game" ever, you're wrong. Period.
>> >You have As Ac in the BB against the following hands who are all all
>> >in and each has accidentally flashed you their cards.
>>
>> I believe we mentioned, at some point, that we were playing poker.
>> That generally does not involve every player at the table flashing you
>> their cards.
>
>I wasn't talking generally.
>
>You said there was NEVER a reason to fold in a cash game. PERIOD.
>
>All I did was give one example where you should.

Too bad it would never occur in reality.

And of course, if you know every card in the deck, you should always
fold when your opponent is going to suck out on you, too.


  
Date: 20 Jan 2009 21:44:48
From: pausem
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 18, 8:00=A0pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo > wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:22:25 -0800, "Arlo-Payne"
>
> <arlo_pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >Well if you can not understand why one should fold AA if the conditions
> >call for it then you really need to improve your game.
>
> If your answer is "preflop in a cash game" ever, you're wrong. Period.

You have As Ac in the BB against the following hands who are all all
in and each has accidentally flashed you their cards.

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3D5936630
pokenum -h as ac - ah ad - ks kc - qs qc - js jc - ts tc - 5s
5c - 4s 4c - 3s 3c - 2s 2c
Holdem Hi: 201376 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 0 0.00 195662 97.16 5714 2.84 0.013
Ad Ah 14810 7.35 180852 89.81 5714 2.84 0.087
Ks Kc 44478 22.09 156496 77.71 402 0.20 0.221
Qs Qc 34858 17.31 166116 82.49 402 0.20 0.173
Js Jc 28490 14.15 172484 85.65 402 0.20 0.142
Ts Tc 27046 13.43 173928 86.37 402 0.20 0.135
5s 5c 15882 7.89 185092 91.91 402 0.20 0.079
4s 4c 13206 6.56 187768 93.24 402 0.20 0.066
3s 3c 9886 4.91 191088 94.89 402 0.20 0.049
2s 2c 7006 3.48 193968 96.32 402 0.20 0.035


   
Date: 21 Jan 2009 01:57:25
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:44:48 -0800 (PST), pausem
<paulsemple@gmail.com > wrote:

>On Jan 18, 8:00 pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo> wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:22:25 -0800, "Arlo-Payne"

>> <arlo_pa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Well if you can not understand why one should fold AA if the conditions
>> >call for it then you really need to improve your game.

>> If your answer is "preflop in a cash game" ever, you're wrong. Period.

>You have As Ac in the BB against the following hands who are all all
>in and each has accidentally flashed you their cards.

I believe we mentioned, at some point, that we were playing poker.
That generally does not involve every player at the table flashing you
their cards.


  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 17:59:37
From: CheckRazor
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
Nice posts, Irish Mike and Arlo. I know I've given both of you shit
from time to time, but whenever you guys post on poker, I tend to
listen.

Good job.


   
Date: 17 Jan 2009 20:10:28
From: Arlo-Payne
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 17 2009 6:59 PM, CheckRazor wrote:

> Nice posts, Irish Mike and Arlo. I know I've given both of you shit
> from time to time, but whenever you guys post on poker, I tend to
> listen.
>
> Good job.
I would post more poker information if I felt amyone really cared. It
seems all I get back is smartass replies from those that really don't know
anything but feel they are the greatest.
Nice to hear at least someone emjoys a fact now and then.

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Date: 18 Jan 2009 00:11:10
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

"Arlo-Payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:kmma46xl01.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 17 2009 6:59 PM, CheckRazor wrote:
>
>> Nice posts, Irish Mike and Arlo. I know I've given both of you shit
>> from time to time, but whenever you guys post on poker, I tend to
>> listen.
>>
>> Good job.
> I would post more poker information if I felt amyone really cared. It
> seems all I get back is smartass replies from those that really don't know
> anything but feel they are the greatest.
> Nice to hear at least someone emjoys a fact now and then.

It's why I vote for you in every election Arlo.

Irish Mike

Vote early, vote often, vote Arlo





    
Date: 18 Jan 2009 00:11:26
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:10:28 -0800, "Arlo-Payne"
<arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote:

>I would post more poker information if I felt amyone really cared. It
>seems all I get back is smartass replies from those that really don't know
>anything but feel they are the greatest.
>Nice to hear at least someone emjoys a fact now and then.

Well, if you'd post shit other than what a great idea it is to fold
aces preflop in a cash game, I doubt you'd get smartass replies. And
if that kind of retarded bullshit is the best you have to offer, well
what the motherfucking fuck but smartass replies do you deserve for
crap like that?

Try posting something intelligent. Posting retarded shit, as you have
lately, just gets the kind of replies you've gotten.

Sorry I have no better advice.


     
Date: 18 Jan 2009 09:22:25
From: Arlo-Payne
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 17 2009 10:11 PM, A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:10:28 -0800, "Arlo-Payne"
> <arlo_payne@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I would post more poker information if I felt amyone really cared. It
> >seems all I get back is smartass replies from those that really don't know
> >anything but feel they are the greatest.
> >Nice to hear at least someone emjoys a fact now and then.
>
> Well, if you'd post shit other than what a great idea it is to fold
> aces preflop in a cash game, I doubt you'd get smartass replies. And
> if that kind of retarded bullshit is the best you have to offer, well
> what the motherfucking fuck but smartass replies do you deserve for
> crap like that?
>
> Try posting something intelligent. Posting retarded shit, as you have
> lately, just gets the kind of replies you've gotten.
>
> Sorry I have no better advice.

Well if you can not understand why one should fold AA if the conditions
call for it then you really need to improve your game.

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Date: 18 Jan 2009 15:00:41
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Sun, 18 Jan 2009 09:22:25 -0800, "Arlo-Payne"
<arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote:

>Well if you can not understand why one should fold AA if the conditions
>call for it then you really need to improve your game.

If your answer is "preflop in a cash game" ever, you're wrong. Period.


  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 19:01:30
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:47:17 -0800, "Arlo-Payne"
<arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote:

>I am giving strong consideration to stopping Phils bullshit outburst
>during this years WSOP. If Harrahs will not keep him controlled perhaps a
>TRO will. If I decide to try and get one I will be asking others to join
>in in name only I will cover all costs

What law do you think is violated by Phil Hellmuth being a dick? Just
wondering. Sounds like that would be a prime example of frivolous
litigation.


   
Date: 17 Jan 2009 16:27:29
From: Arlo-Payne
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 17 2009 5:01 PM, A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 15:47:17 -0800, "Arlo-Payne"
> <arlo_payne@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I am giving strong consideration to stopping Phils bullshit outburst
> >during this years WSOP. If Harrahs will not keep him controlled perhaps a
> >TRO will. If I decide to try and get one I will be asking others to join
> >in in name only I will cover all costs
>
> What law do you think is violated by Phil Hellmuth being a dick? Just
> wondering. Sounds like that would be a prime example of frivolous
> litigation.

A huge list which I don't feel like writing out now. Just start thinking
around the world of slander if it is on TV, Combine that with loss of
income and all direct and indirect legs of that.

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Date: 17 Jan 2009 15:44:13
From: Arlo-Payne
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
If I may I would like to repost something I wrote in 2005.

A Poker Gentleman

Over the long haul, with luck we learn there is more to the game than most
ever consider. A huge factor to consider is a simple one. Just how to
have people you dominate during the game continue to give you their money
day after day? In most games you have a set pool of regular players
without whom the game would dry up and die. This fact carries more weight
as the limits increase. You must take care of the games you take money
out of on a regular basis. In return for the money you win during your
play you must give something back. The key question here is just want are
you giving back to those that are not capable of winning over time but yet
return time and time again. You really do want those that you are taking
money from to enjoy the time they spend with you. First it will make the
time you spend at the tables more enjoyable but more important you are
giving back something in return which will keep the game alive over time.

At first you may just consider your actions as an act to keep the money
feeders happy. Over time you will see how much you have gained beyond
your winnings. You also will find you are growing wiser and develop a
better understanding of why a person makes the plays they do which will of
course increase your overall profits.

The basic bottom line is a simple one. You want people to want to play
with you. However it does go way beyond that basic reason. Over time you
will find those that can help you will want to help you when you need it.
You also will find your self worth expands as you understand the true
moral worth of your actions in general. Clearly I could point out many
factors to keep in mind but for today I wish to direct your thinking
towards becoming a Poker Gentleman

Identifying a Poker Gentleman?
It is almost a definition of a Poker Gentleman to say he is one who never
inflicts pain. A Poker Gentleman is mainly focused in removing funds from
others with no need or desire to harm or cause distress.
He does this by merely removing the obstacles which hinder the free and
unembarrassed action of those about him. He will concur with the choices
rather than take the initiative to direct or change the manner in which
his opponent views his play.

A Poker Gentleman gives forth benefits to those supplying him winnings
equal to that a fire bringing warmth on a cold night or the joy of a
beloved dogs greeting after a day of rejection.

A true Poker Gentleman avoids whatever may cause resentment. He shows
concern and understanding of the opinions and feelings of those around
him. He puts forth a great effort to make all feel at home, respected,
and welcome.
You will find a Poker Gentleman is always aware of those around him beyond
his present table. He will take time to remember and speak briefly to
even those which are not in his game in a pleasant manner. He will avoid
topics which may offend or bring stress to others. In conversation he
will not be overbearing or boring.

The poker Gentleman will be humble when discussing himself and would never
defend himself with a short off color verbal attack. He will not take the
lead role in gossip or slander. When put to the test he will offer the
best light possible on a given problem to help reduce the concern and
mental stress the subject may be injecting into the game.

A true Poker Gentleman would never belittle another player at the table.
By doing so would only cause a reducing effect on his income in the
future. You will not find him taking unfair advantage of others for he
knows it is best to treat your opponents as if they are your future
friends.

A poker Gentleman has too much intellect to be effected by insults. He is
fully aware those that try to use insults as a tool have a very empty
toolbox.

Overall you will find the games which are well cared for by the Poker
Gentlemen of the world will greatly outlast the other games we see come
and go from place to place. Remember you want people to want to play with
you.

AP
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Date: 17 Jan 2009 15:10:59
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 17 2009 11:11 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> If you play much poker, there's one thing you can bank on. You will see
> people do, and say, really dumb things.
> Now some people list their "pet peeves" in poker games but this is not that
> kind of list. If it "peeves" you, it upsets or angers you. None of the
> things on my list upset me, I just think they're dumb. Here's mine - I'd be
> interested in reading yours if you care to share:
>
> 1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot. Winner
> survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One players always
> wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you knock me out of
> this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or take a bunch of my
> money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when the guy they wished
> the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant about how stupid the guy
> plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can you get? It's not good
> sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>
> 2. "Poor loser". When did the silly, childish rants of ego-maniacs like
> Phil Helmuth, Hevad Khan and Eric Molina become acceptable? What is the
> point of attacking and insulting your opponent after he beats you? Do you
> think he's going to feel bad? Give you your money back? The tournament
> director is going to give you more chips and let you keep playing? Good
> sportsmanship is saying nothing, offering to shake your opponent's hand and
> walking away with your head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 3. "Lousy winner" Gloating, showing off or insulting your opponent when you
> win. What ever happened to the quiet, gracious winner? You beat the man,
> you took his money and you might have knocked him out of the tournament.
> Why isn't that enough? Why jump around and start screaming like some
> half-assed cheer leader on speed? You won because your flush card hit on
> the river. You didn't sink a 50 foot putt at the U.S. Open or win the
> Olympic 100 yard dash. Show some class and "act like you've been there
> before". Offer to shake your opponent's hand, then sit back down with your
> head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 4. "The weak nerves trot". When did poker players start jumping up from the
> table and trotting around the room when they went all-in? Maybe I'm old
> fashioned but I always thought a good poker player should be able to stay
> calm under pressure. To have the ability to sit in your seat and watch the
> board all the way to the river card. You only get up when the hand is over.
> You either get up to shake your opponents hand and walk away or to shake
> your opponents hand as he walks away. One of my goals in a poker game is to
> show no emotion at all - win or lose. And I greatly admire the players I
> see who do that. It might not make good TV entertainment but, to me, it's
> one of the traits of an excellent player.
>
> Irish Mike

saying "im sorry " . anyone who beats someone and says they are sorry
should immediately be spit upon !! and or slapped like a bitch !!


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Date: 17 Jan 2009 15:24:11
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
It's a good list Irish Mike for a regular game. TV is another world.
Another dumb thing you could add is when players show others their
cards. That's dumb and really annoying!


   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 08:10:11
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
> It's a good list Irish Mike for a regular game. TV is another world.
> Another dumb thing you could add is when players show others their
> cards. That's dumb and really annoying!

Depends on the game. This past Saturday I sat to the left of a guy who
showed his hand every time people folded to his raise. He didn't need to
EVERYONE knew he was strong, but he felt like re enforcing this every
chance he got.

Nice old bird for sure. I felt a little bad for him because a woman about
15 years his senior sat to MY left who was well made up and this guy was a
bachelor and didn't mind saying it, but by his flirting with the older
woman I could hear the yearning in his voice for lost chances at
relationships.

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Date: 28 Jan 2009 08:36:07
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 20 2009 10:10 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > It's a good list Irish Mike for a regular game. TV is another world.
> > Another dumb thing you could add is when players show others their
> > cards. That's dumb and really annoying!
>
> Depends on the game. This past Saturday I sat to the left of a guy who
> showed his hand every time people folded to his raise. He didn't need to
> EVERYONE knew he was strong, but he felt like re enforcing this every
> chance he got.
>
> Nice old bird for sure. I felt a little bad for him because a woman about
> 15 years his senior sat to MY left who was well made up and this guy was a
> bachelor and didn't mind saying it, but by his flirting with the older
> woman I could hear the yearning in his voice for lost chances at
> relationships.
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
> BOOM byae
> John

HMM ! Older guy with money , still chasing new pussy , and can afford to
play poker

VS

Moron about to spend 25000 on a wedding and eliminate all chances for any
new pussy

WHO IS THE MORON AGAIN ?


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Date: 17 Jan 2009 15:08:59
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 17 2009 11:11 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> If you play much poker, there's one thing you can bank on. You will see
> people do, and say, really dumb things.
> Now some people list their "pet peeves" in poker games but this is not that
> kind of list. If it "peeves" you, it upsets or angers you. None of the
> things on my list upset me, I just think they're dumb. Here's mine - I'd be
> interested in reading yours if you care to share:
>
> 1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot. Winner
> survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One players always
> wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you knock me out of
> this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or take a bunch of my
> money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when the guy they wished
> the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant about how stupid the guy
> plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can you get? It's not good
> sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>
> 2. "Poor loser". When did the silly, childish rants of ego-maniacs like
> Phil Helmuth, Hevad Khan and Eric Molina become acceptable? What is the
> point of attacking and insulting your opponent after he beats you? Do you
> think he's going to feel bad? Give you your money back? The tournament
> director is going to give you more chips and let you keep playing? Good
> sportsmanship is saying nothing, offering to shake your opponent's hand and
> walking away with your head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 3. "Lousy winner" Gloating, showing off or insulting your opponent when you
> win. What ever happened to the quiet, gracious winner? You beat the man,
> you took his money and you might have knocked him out of the tournament.
> Why isn't that enough? Why jump around and start screaming like some
> half-assed cheer leader on speed? You won because your flush card hit on
> the river. You didn't sink a 50 foot putt at the U.S. Open or win the
> Olympic 100 yard dash. Show some class and "act like you've been there
> before". Offer to shake your opponent's hand, then sit back down with your
> head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 4. "The weak nerves trot". When did poker players start jumping up from the
> table and trotting around the room when they went all-in? Maybe I'm old
> fashioned but I always thought a good poker player should be able to stay
> calm under pressure. To have the ability to sit in your seat and watch the
> board all the way to the river card. You only get up when the hand is over.
> You either get up to shake your opponents hand and walk away or to shake
> your opponents hand as he walks away. One of my goals in a poker game is to
> show no emotion at all - win or lose. And I greatly admire the players I
> see who do that. It might not make good TV entertainment but, to me, it's
> one of the traits of an excellent player.
>
> Irish Mike

2 WORDS SUM IT UP TELE VISION

all TVSM noob shit !! all lame all the time


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Date: 17 Jan 2009 15:57:24
From: Robert Ladd
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:6jocl.17972$Ws1.5633@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
> If you play much poker, there's one thing you can bank on. You will see
> people do, and say, really dumb things.
> Now some people list their "pet peeves" in poker games but this is not
> that kind of list. If it "peeves" you, it upsets or angers you. None of
> the things on my list upset me, I just think they're dumb. Here's mine -
> I'd be interested in reading yours if you care to share:
>
> 1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot.
> Winner survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One
> players always wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you
> knock me out of this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or
> take a bunch of my money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when
> the guy they wished the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant
> about how stupid the guy plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can
> you get? It's not good sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>

It's more a nervous gesture. People say "Thanks" to cops when they receive
a speeding ticket. Unless they are thanking the cop for not looking in
their trunk, I doubt they are being gracious to the cop.

Then again, maybe it's "Good luck in trying to keep from peeing your pants
when you see my 8-3o bury your AA".

Robert Ladd




  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 20:38:18
From: Stephen Jacobs
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

"Robert Ladd" <rladd5@cox.net > wrote in message
news:gktnog$10e$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
.......... People say "Thanks" to cops when they receive
> a speeding ticket. Unless they are thanking the cop for not looking in
> their trunk, I doubt they are being gracious to the cop.
>

Then again, I once thanked a cop who had just given me a speeding ticket and
meant it REAL sincerely. Between when he pulled me over and when he gave me
the ticket we had a nice discussion of a few things (I'm not being sarcastic
there, really), he decided he liked me but there was no way he could NOT
give me the ticket because of administrative issues (this was an unashamed
municipal income speed trap)--so he told me how to beat the ticket without
hurting his record or mine.




   
Date: 20 Jan 2009 08:06:04
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
> so he told me how to beat the ticket without
> hurting his record or mine.

Do share.

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Date: 20 Jan 2009 12:42:14
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

"John_Brian_K" <a7ecb57@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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>> so he told me how to beat the ticket without
>> hurting his record or mine.
>
> Do share.

Does it involve your bending over and grabbing your ankles?

Irish Mike




   
Date: 18 Jan 2009 00:09:35
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 20:38:18 -0500, "Stephen Jacobs"
<jacosa@comcast.net > wrote:

>"Robert Ladd" <rladd5@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:gktnog$10e$1@news.motzarella.org...

>.......... People say "Thanks" to cops when they receive
>> a speeding ticket. Unless they are thanking the cop for not looking in
>> their trunk, I doubt they are being gracious to the cop.

>Then again, I once thanked a cop who had just given me a speeding ticket and
>meant it REAL sincerely. Between when he pulled me over and when he gave me
>the ticket we had a nice discussion of a few things (I'm not being sarcastic
>there, really), he decided he liked me but there was no way he could NOT
>give me the ticket because of administrative issues (this was an unashamed
>municipal income speed trap)--so he told me how to beat the ticket without
>hurting his record or mine.

I have had a similar experience and while I am no great fan of cops in
general, I am always grateful when someone who is supposed to be a
professional does their job professionally. I have had one ticket
where the cop acted graciously and professionally, got it all done
quickly and with a minimum of fuss, and I thanked them for *that*. Not
for giving me a ticket.

There is absolutely zero point to hassling a cop who is giving you a
ticket. If they're wrong to do it, you challenge it in court, not
while they are giving you a ticket. If they're right, it's your
fault, and you have no business griping.

In the case in point, the cop gave me a lesser ticket than the actual
running of a red light I had done, and instead gave me a 0 point
ticket in light of my otherwise exemplary driving record. What do you
say but thanks for that? Jesus fuck people.


 
Date: 17 Jan 2009 14:21:57
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 17, 9:11=A0am, "Irish Reich" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:


> 1. "Good luck".... =A0



Mike is uncomfortable with simple gestures of fellowship and
sportsmanship.
They confuse and anger him.



  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 15:42:21
From: IHeartWuzzy
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 17 2009 5:21 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:

> On Jan 17, 9:11 am, "Irish Reich" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>
> > 1. "Good luck"....  
>
>
>
> Mike is uncomfortable with simple gestures of fellowship and
> sportsmanship.
> They confuse and anger him.

That's cuz Mike is an alc ...ah, um... well, you know...
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Date: 17 Jan 2009 15:23:30
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 17 2009 5:21 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:

> On Jan 17, 9:11 am, "Irish Reich" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
>
> > 1. "Good luck"....  
>
>
>
> Mike is uncomfortable with simple gestures of fellowship and
> sportsmanship.
> They confuse and anger him.
lol

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Date: 17 Jan 2009 15:49:58
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:6jocl.17972$Ws1.5633@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
> If you play much poker, there's one thing you can bank on. You will see
> people do, and say, really dumb things.
> Now some people list their "pet peeves" in poker games but this is not
> that kind of list. If it "peeves" you, it upsets or angers you. None of
> the things on my list upset me, I just think they're dumb. Here's mine -
> I'd be interested in reading yours if you care to share:
>
> 1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot.
> Winner survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One
> players always wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you
> knock me out of this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or
> take a bunch of my money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when
> the guy they wished the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant
> about how stupid the guy plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can
> you get? It's not good sportsmanship - it's just dumb.


This one is borderline for me. I think it's pretty much understood that no
one actually means an expression of "good luck" to the other player and that
it's just an expression of sportsmanship or an acknowledgement that both
players have a lot at risk. Personally, I don't say it and don't think
"good luck" should be said for the reasons you've listed, but it doesn't
really bother me when others do it.

Although, if someone says it to me in that spot, I typically will
reciprocate with a "good luck to you" just for the sake of sportsmanship and
to be friendly (after all, it doesn't matter to the cards what we actually
say).



> 2. "Poor loser". When did the silly, childish rants of ego-maniacs like
> Phil Helmuth, Hevad Khan and Eric Molina become acceptable? What is the
> point of attacking and insulting your opponent after he beats you? Do you
> think he's going to feel bad? Give you your money back? The tournament
> director is going to give you more chips and let you keep playing? Good
> sportsmanship is saying nothing, offering to shake your opponent's hand
> and walking away with your head up - and your mouth shut.


TJ said it best in one of his books and it's the advice I've always
followed. When you get knocked out or take a bad beat, no one gives a shit
(well, that's actually not quite true since they *do* care but about their
chances of winning the tournmament, not about your misfortune). Whining
about it at the table does not accomplish any positive thing. Your
opponents are glad that you have been knocked out (or crippled) and showing
them that you are upset helps them, not you.

I remember one hand I played at The Orleans a few years ago in one of the
Orleans Open tournaments. We were down to just a few tables and I was
short. Went all-in with 88 and was called by QQ who was also short. The
flop had an 8 and I didn't say anything. Just sat there. The guy with QQ
immediately went into lamenting about his bad luck. The turn was a Q, which
shut him up. I still didn't say anything, but I remember the stares from
the other players who were all expecting a reaction from me. I did not give
them one.

The river was a blank and I just asked the QQ player for a quick count to
see if he had me covered. He did. I said "nice hand" and left.



> 3. "Lousy winner" Gloating, showing off or insulting your opponent when
> you win. What ever happened to the quiet, gracious winner? You beat the
> man, you took his money and you might have knocked him out of the
> tournament. Why isn't that enough? Why jump around and start screaming
> like some half-assed cheer leader on speed? You won because your flush
> card hit on the river. You didn't sink a 50 foot putt at the U.S. Open or
> win the Olympic 100 yard dash. Show some class and "act like you've been
> there before". Offer to shake your opponent's hand, then sit back down
> with your head up - and your mouth shut.


I don't even offer a handshake (whether I win or lose), but will shake if
the guy I just busted offers his. Personally, I don't like even shaking
hands now, but I regard refusing a handshake as a personal insult. If I
refuse to shake it's because I intend to insult the person who offered.



> 4. "The weak nerves trot". When did poker players start jumping up from
> the table and trotting around the room when they went all-in? Maybe I'm
> old fashioned but I always thought a good poker player should be able to
> stay calm under pressure. To have the ability to sit in your seat and
> watch the board all the way to the river card. You only get up when the
> hand is over. You either get up to shake your opponents hand and walk away
> or to shake your opponents hand as he walks away. One of my goals in a
> poker game is to show no emotion at all - win or lose. And I greatly
> admire the players I see who do that. It might not make good TV
> entertainment but, to me, it's one of the traits of an excellent player.


I agree with you on this, too. I never get up and pace when I have to make
a decision (although I have never had to make a decision at the final table
of a huge buy-in event, so I guess I can't say that I would never do it in
that spot).

I don't like seeing it on TV because there is always the chance that the
player pacing will get assistance from someone in the stands, like the time
that idiot Tiffany something did it when she was thinking about a hand she
was invovled in with Sheiky. Sheiky did the right thing and objected to her
going and discussing the hand with others. Better to just sit where you're
at, think the hand through, and make a decision.




  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 23:06:55
From: funky cold medina
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 17, 1:49=A0pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net > wrote:
> "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message

>
> I remember one hand I played at The Orleans a few years ago in one of the
> Orleans Open tournaments. =A0We were down to just a few tables and I was
> short. =A0Went all-in with 88 and was called by QQ who was also short. =
=A0The
> flop had an 8 and I didn't say anything. =A0Just sat there. =A0The guy wi=
th QQ
> immediately went into lamenting about his bad luck. =A0The turn was a Q, =
which
> shut him up. =A0I still didn't say anything, but I remember the stares fr=
om
> the other players who were all expecting a reaction from me. =A0I did not=
give
> them one.
>
> The river was a blank and I just asked the QQ player for a quick count to
> see if he had me covered. =A0He did. =A0I said "nice hand" and left.
>

Couple weeks ago I was at Commerce at the 100 NL table. Guy sitting
to my right was on big-time tilt. He had aces about 10 minutes after
sitting down - ended up losing his stack to someone who called his
large pre-flop reraise with 5-7 suited and drew out to a straight.
Just cursing and muttering under his breath about what an idiot the
person was for 15 minutes straight.

So -- he's bought in again. A few hands go buy and I'm on the button
- he's in the CO. A few limpers - he raises up to $18.

The guy in the BB - same guy that just took his stack - has been a
maniac. I'm glad he's at the table for sheer entertainment, I get the
impression that he's got money to burn and doesn't give a f***.

Anyway - the BB looks at his cards - doesn't hesitate - and goes all-
in. Angry guy to my right thinks for a moment, curses, and calls.
Turns over AhKh. The BB has 9c10c. Two 10s on the flop.

Holy shit this guy to my right just goes off. He loses it, stands up,
starts fumbling for his car keys and is just miserable. I actually
feel bad for him.

He hits runner-runner hearts for the flush (and win), but doesn't
notice - has his coat on, chair pushed in, ready to walk. To top it
off, the dealer starts pushing the pot to the wrong guy - the BB.
Nobody is paying attention.

I stopped the dealer and said - hey, this guy won. Other people start
to back me up. Now, the BB guy starts going off saying the other guy
mucked (he didn't, his cards were face up). They had to call the
floorman over. Angry guy to my right got his pot.

I got a couple free beers from angry guy, so hey. And that's the
moral. Free beer.



   
Date: 18 Jan 2009 02:02:56
From: Travel A
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
If it's a broad about, say, 23 with a body like Kelly Ripa and wearing
with one of those black, open-back dresses with the top of her ass
showing and huge tits, you'll probably want to say "sorry about that"
when you suck-out on her.

In fact, you could throw that in. Say: "sorry for the suck-out", and
when you say the words "suck-out", look at her significantly. (but don't
over do it; ya know, don't pause before saying "suck-out", or whip your
dick out or anything, it'll be too obvious)



  
Date: 17 Jan 2009 23:08:43
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

"James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net > wrote in message
news:coscl.48517$Jy.7416@newsfe06.iad...
>
> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:6jocl.17972$Ws1.5633@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> If you play much poker, there's one thing you can bank on. You will see
>> people do, and say, really dumb things.
>> Now some people list their "pet peeves" in poker games but this is not
>> that kind of list. If it "peeves" you, it upsets or angers you. None of
>> the things on my list upset me, I just think they're dumb. Here's mine -
>> I'd be interested in reading yours if you care to share:
>>
>> 1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot.
>> Winner survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One
>> players always wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope
>> you knock me out of this tournament I've been busting my ass to win
>> and/or take a bunch of my money"? Then, for some of the really dumb
>> ones, when the guy they wished the good luck to does beat them, they go
>> on a rant about how stupid the guy plays. I mean, just how dumb and
>> insincere can you get? It's not good sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>
>
> This one is borderline for me. I think it's pretty much understood that
> no one actually means an expression of "good luck" to the other player and
> that it's just an expression of sportsmanship or an acknowledgement that
> both players have a lot at risk. Personally, I don't say it and don't
> think "good luck" should be said for the reasons you've listed, but it
> doesn't really bother me when others do it.
>
> Although, if someone says it to me in that spot, I typically will
> reciprocate with a "good luck to you" just for the sake of sportsmanship
> and to be friendly (after all, it doesn't matter to the cards what we
> actually say).
>
>
>
>> 2. "Poor loser". When did the silly, childish rants of ego-maniacs like
>> Phil Helmuth, Hevad Khan and Eric Molina become acceptable? What is the
>> point of attacking and insulting your opponent after he beats you? Do
>> you think he's going to feel bad? Give you your money back? The
>> tournament director is going to give you more chips and let you keep
>> playing? Good sportsmanship is saying nothing, offering to shake your
>> opponent's hand and walking away with your head up - and your mouth shut.
>
>
> TJ said it best in one of his books and it's the advice I've always
> followed. When you get knocked out or take a bad beat, no one gives a
> shit (well, that's actually not quite true since they *do* care but about
> their chances of winning the tournmament, not about your misfortune).
> Whining about it at the table does not accomplish any positive thing.
> Your opponents are glad that you have been knocked out (or crippled) and
> showing them that you are upset helps them, not you.
>
> I remember one hand I played at The Orleans a few years ago in one of the
> Orleans Open tournaments. We were down to just a few tables and I was
> short. Went all-in with 88 and was called by QQ who was also short. The
> flop had an 8 and I didn't say anything. Just sat there. The guy with QQ
> immediately went into lamenting about his bad luck. The turn was a Q,
> which shut him up. I still didn't say anything, but I remember the stares
> from the other players who were all expecting a reaction from me. I did
> not give them one.
>
> The river was a blank and I just asked the QQ player for a quick count to
> see if he had me covered. He did. I said "nice hand" and left.
>
>
>
>> 3. "Lousy winner" Gloating, showing off or insulting your opponent when
>> you win. What ever happened to the quiet, gracious winner? You beat the
>> man, you took his money and you might have knocked him out of the
>> tournament. Why isn't that enough? Why jump around and start screaming
>> like some half-assed cheer leader on speed? You won because your flush
>> card hit on the river. You didn't sink a 50 foot putt at the U.S. Open
>> or win the Olympic 100 yard dash. Show some class and "act like you've
>> been there before". Offer to shake your opponent's hand, then sit back
>> down with your head up - and your mouth shut.
>
>
> I don't even offer a handshake (whether I win or lose), but will shake if
> the guy I just busted offers his. Personally, I don't like even shaking
> hands now, but I regard refusing a handshake as a personal insult. If I
> refuse to shake it's because I intend to insult the person who offered.
>
>
>
>> 4. "The weak nerves trot". When did poker players start jumping up from
>> the table and trotting around the room when they went all-in? Maybe I'm
>> old fashioned but I always thought a good poker player should be able to
>> stay calm under pressure. To have the ability to sit in your seat and
>> watch the board all the way to the river card. You only get up when the
>> hand is over. You either get up to shake your opponents hand and walk
>> away or to shake your opponents hand as he walks away. One of my goals
>> in a poker game is to show no emotion at all - win or lose. And I
>> greatly admire the players I see who do that. It might not make good TV
>> entertainment but, to me, it's one of the traits of an excellent player.
>
>
> I agree with you on this, too. I never get up and pace when I have to
> make a decision (although I have never had to make a decision at the final
> table of a huge buy-in event, so I guess I can't say that I would never do
> it in that spot).
>
> I don't like seeing it on TV because there is always the chance that the
> player pacing will get assistance from someone in the stands, like the
> time that idiot Tiffany something did it when she was thinking about a
> hand she was invovled in with Sheiky. Sheiky did the right thing and
> objected to her going and discussing the hand with others. Better to just
> sit where you're at, think the hand through, and make a decision.

Yes, Tiffany Williams and this was a particularly blatant example. I would
have liked to see her opponent call the floor man and request that her had
be declared dead. She left the table and actually discussed her hand with
some one in the stands before acting. If her hand had been declared dead,
it would have definitely discouraged other players from doing this in the
future.

Irish Mike




   
Date: 18 Jan 2009 11:51:14
From: DaVoice
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote
> Yes, Tiffany Williams and this was a particularly blatant example. I
> would have liked to see her opponent call the floor man and request that
> her had be declared dead. She left the table and actually discussed her
> hand with some one in the stands before acting. If her hand had been
> declared dead, it would have definitely discouraged other players from
> doing this in the future.
>
> Irish Mike

IIRC Tiffany was the only woman left in the tournament and this was Johnny
Grooms first MAJOR tourney. Those of us that were there couldn't believe it
when we saw it, and I still don't know who made the decision NOT to make a
decision. It was a very strange situation, but that year ESPN was calling
more shots than they should have, such as WHO they wanted at their "feature"
tables, how long it took between action and flop, flop and turn, turn and
river. You could hear them cueing Grooms, it was really sad that TV played
such a big role in that tourney that year.

John? I know you still read RGP, any thoughts on this?

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Date: 18 Jan 2009 14:02:52
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

"DaVoice" <davoicergp@cox.net > wrote in message
news:UKLcl.90903$4M4.59242@newsfe02.iad...
>
> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote
>> Yes, Tiffany Williams and this was a particularly blatant example. I
>> would have liked to see her opponent call the floor man and request that
>> her had be declared dead. She left the table and actually discussed her
>> hand with some one in the stands before acting. If her hand had been
>> declared dead, it would have definitely discouraged other players from
>> doing this in the future.
>>
>> Irish Mike
>
> IIRC Tiffany was the only woman left in the tournament and this was Johnny
> Grooms first MAJOR tourney. Those of us that were there couldn't believe
> it when we saw it, and I still don't know who made the decision NOT to
> make a decision. It was a very strange situation, but that year ESPN was
> calling more shots than they should have, such as WHO they wanted at their
> "feature" tables, how long it took between action and flop, flop and turn,
> turn and river. You could hear them cueing Grooms, it was really sad that
> TV played such a big role in that tourney that year.
>
> John? I know you still read RGP, any thoughts on this?
>
> --
> Rick "ADB DaVoice" Charles




Thing is, she was so clueless it appeared that she really didn't know what
she was doing was a problem. Sometimes TV can teach, too. I would have
loved to have seen a warning by the TD to her explaining that if she sought
advice on the play of the hand it would be declared dead.




 
Date: 17 Jan 2009 13:09:12
From:
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 17, 11:11=A0am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> If you play much poker, there's one thing you can bank on. =A0You will se=
e
> people do, and say, really dumb things.
> Now some people list their "pet peeves" in poker games but this is not th=
at
> kind of list. =A0If it "peeves" you, it upsets or angers you. =A0None of =
the
> things on my list upset me, I just think they're dumb. Here's mine - I'd =
be
> interested in reading yours if you care to share:
>
> 1. "Good luck". =A0Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot. =
=A0Winner
> survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. =A0One players al=
ways
> wishes his opponent, "good luck". =A0What? =A0As in "I hope you knock me =
out of
> this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or take a bunch of my
> money"? =A0 =A0Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when the guy they =
wished
> the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant about how stupid the g=
uy
> plays. =A0I mean, just how dumb and insincere can you get? =A0It's not go=
od
> sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>
> 2. "Poor loser". =A0When did the silly, childish rants of ego-maniacs lik=
e
> Phil Helmuth, Hevad Khan and Eric Molina become acceptable? =A0What is th=
e
> point of attacking and insulting your opponent after he beats you? =A0Do =
you
> think he's going to feel bad? =A0Give you your money back? =A0The tournam=
ent
> director is going to give you more chips and let you keep playing? =A0Goo=
d
> sportsmanship is saying nothing, offering to shake your opponent's hand a=
nd
> walking away with your head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 3. "Lousy winner" =A0Gloating, showing off or insulting your opponent whe=
n you
> win. =A0What ever happened to the quiet, gracious winner? =A0You beat the=
man,
> you took his money and you might have knocked him out of the tournament.
> Why isn't that enough? =A0Why jump around and start screaming like some
> half-assed cheer leader on speed? =A0You won because your flush card hit =
on
> the river. =A0You didn't sink a 50 foot putt at the U.S. Open or win the
> Olympic 100 yard dash. =A0Show some class and "act like you've been there
> before". =A0Offer to shake your opponent's hand, then sit back down with =
your
> head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 4. "The weak nerves trot". =A0When did poker players start jumping up fro=
m the
> table and trotting around the room when they went all-in? =A0Maybe I'm ol=
d
> fashioned but I always thought a good poker player should be able to stay
> calm under pressure. =A0To have the ability to sit in your seat and watch=
the
> board all the way to the river card. =A0You only get up when the hand is =
over.
> You either get up to shake your opponents hand and walk away or to shake
> your opponents hand as he walks away. =A0One of my goals in a poker game =
is to
> show no emotion at all - win or lose. =A0And I greatly admire the players=
I
> see who do that. =A0It might not make good TV entertainment but, to me, i=
t's
> one of the traits of an excellent player.
>
> Irish Mike

Idiots who fold KK pre to a single small reraise when they have
implied odds to set mine, then gloat about it.


 
Date: 17 Jan 2009 14:59:32
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker

"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:6jocl.17972$Ws1.5633@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
> If you play much poker, there's one thing you can bank on. You will see
> people do, and say, really dumb things.
> Now some people list their "pet peeves" in poker games but this is not
> that kind of list. If it "peeves" you, it upsets or angers you. None of
> the things on my list upset me, I just think they're dumb. Here's mine -
> I'd be interested in reading yours if you care to share:
>
> 1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot.
> Winner survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One
> players always wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you
> knock me out of this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or
> take a bunch of my money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when
> the guy they wished the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant
> about how stupid the guy plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can
> you get? It's not good sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>
> 2. "Poor loser". When did the silly, childish rants of ego-maniacs like
> Phil Helmuth, Hevad Khan and Eric Molina become acceptable? What is the
> point of attacking and insulting your opponent after he beats you? Do you
> think he's going to feel bad? Give you your money back? The tournament
> director is going to give you more chips and let you keep playing? Good
> sportsmanship is saying nothing, offering to shake your opponent's hand
> and walking away with your head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 3. "Lousy winner" Gloating, showing off or insulting your opponent when
> you win. What ever happened to the quiet, gracious winner? You beat the
> man, you took his money and you might have knocked him out of the
> tournament. Why isn't that enough? Why jump around and start screaming
> like some half-assed cheer leader on speed? You won because your flush
> card hit on the river. You didn't sink a 50 foot putt at the U.S. Open or
> win the Olympic 100 yard dash. Show some class and "act like you've been
> there before". Offer to shake your opponent's hand, then sit back down
> with your head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 4. "The weak nerves trot". When did poker players start jumping up from
> the table and trotting around the room when they went all-in? Maybe I'm
> old fashioned but I always thought a good poker player should be able to
> stay calm under pressure. To have the ability to sit in your seat and
> watch the board all the way to the river card. You only get up when the
> hand is over. You either get up to shake your opponents hand and walk away
> or to shake your opponents hand as he walks away. One of my goals in a
> poker game is to show no emotion at all - win or lose. And I greatly
> admire the players I see who do that. It might not make good TV
> entertainment but, to me, it's one of the traits of an excellent player.
>
> Irish Mike


#3 is MY personal #1




 
Date: 17 Jan 2009 15:56:54
From: MZB
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
Classy post, Mike

Mel
"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:6jocl.17972$Ws1.5633@nlpi064.nbdc.sbc.com...
> If you play much poker, there's one thing you can bank on. You will see
> people do, and say, really dumb things.
> Now some people list their "pet peeves" in poker games but this is not
> that kind of list. If it "peeves" you, it upsets or angers you. None of
> the things on my list upset me, I just think they're dumb. Here's mine -
> I'd be interested in reading yours if you care to share:
>
> 1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot.
> Winner survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One
> players always wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you
> knock me out of this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or
> take a bunch of my money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when
> the guy they wished the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant
> about how stupid the guy plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can
> you get? It's not good sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>
> 2. "Poor loser". When did the silly, childish rants of ego-maniacs like
> Phil Helmuth, Hevad Khan and Eric Molina become acceptable? What is the
> point of attacking and insulting your opponent after he beats you? Do you
> think he's going to feel bad? Give you your money back? The tournament
> director is going to give you more chips and let you keep playing? Good
> sportsmanship is saying nothing, offering to shake your opponent's hand
> and walking away with your head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 3. "Lousy winner" Gloating, showing off or insulting your opponent when
> you win. What ever happened to the quiet, gracious winner? You beat the
> man, you took his money and you might have knocked him out of the
> tournament. Why isn't that enough? Why jump around and start screaming
> like some half-assed cheer leader on speed? You won because your flush
> card hit on the river. You didn't sink a 50 foot putt at the U.S. Open or
> win the Olympic 100 yard dash. Show some class and "act like you've been
> there before". Offer to shake your opponent's hand, then sit back down
> with your head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 4. "The weak nerves trot". When did poker players start jumping up from
> the table and trotting around the room when they went all-in? Maybe I'm
> old fashioned but I always thought a good poker player should be able to
> stay calm under pressure. To have the ability to sit in your seat and
> watch the board all the way to the river card. You only get up when the
> hand is over. You either get up to shake your opponents hand and walk away
> or to shake your opponents hand as he walks away. One of my goals in a
> poker game is to show no emotion at all - win or lose. And I greatly
> admire the players I see who do that. It might not make good TV
> entertainment but, to me, it's one of the traits of an excellent player.
>
> Irish Mike
>
>




 
Date: 17 Jan 2009 10:49:43
From: bgadams
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 17 2009 1:11 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> If you play much poker, there's one thing you can bank on. You will see
> people do, and say, really dumb things.
> Now some people list their "pet peeves" in poker games but this is not that
> kind of list. If it "peeves" you, it upsets or angers you. None of the
> things on my list upset me, I just think they're dumb. Here's mine - I'd be
> interested in reading yours if you care to share:
>
> 1. "Good luck". Two players are all-in, heads-up for a monster pot. Winner
> survives in the tournament and/or wins a pile of money. One players always
> wishes his opponent, "good luck". What? As in "I hope you knock me out of
> this tournament I've been busting my ass to win and/or take a bunch of my
> money"? Then, for some of the really dumb ones, when the guy they wished
> the good luck to does beat them, they go on a rant about how stupid the guy
> plays. I mean, just how dumb and insincere can you get? It's not good
> sportsmanship - it's just dumb.
>
> 2. "Poor loser". When did the silly, childish rants of ego-maniacs like
> Phil Helmuth, Hevad Khan and Eric Molina become acceptable? What is the
> point of attacking and insulting your opponent after he beats you? Do you
> think he's going to feel bad? Give you your money back? The tournament
> director is going to give you more chips and let you keep playing? Good
> sportsmanship is saying nothing, offering to shake your opponent's hand and
> walking away with your head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 3. "Lousy winner" Gloating, showing off or insulting your opponent when you
> win. What ever happened to the quiet, gracious winner? You beat the man,
> you took his money and you might have knocked him out of the tournament.
> Why isn't that enough? Why jump around and start screaming like some
> half-assed cheer leader on speed? You won because your flush card hit on
> the river. You didn't sink a 50 foot putt at the U.S. Open or win the
> Olympic 100 yard dash. Show some class and "act like you've been there
> before". Offer to shake your opponent's hand, then sit back down with your
> head up - and your mouth shut.
>
> 4. "The weak nerves trot". When did poker players start jumping up from the
> table and trotting around the room when they went all-in? Maybe I'm old
> fashioned but I always thought a good poker player should be able to stay
> calm under pressure. To have the ability to sit in your seat and watch the
> board all the way to the river card. You only get up when the hand is over.
> You either get up to shake your opponents hand and walk away or to shake
> your opponents hand as he walks away. One of my goals in a poker game is to
> show no emotion at all - win or lose. And I greatly admire the players I
> see who do that. It might not make good TV entertainment but, to me, it's
> one of the traits of an excellent player.
>
> Irish Mike

How about "All In For Peanuts". As I read your post, I'm playing a
10/.20 NLHE and some idiot throws in his entire stack of $15 to steal the
blinds.

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Date: 17 Jan 2009 14:08:06
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:49:43 -0800, "bgadams" <bob@bgadams.com > wrote:

>How about "All In For Peanuts". As I read your post, I'm playing a
>10/.20 NLHE and some idiot throws in his entire stack of $15 to steal the
>blinds.

Depends on the game whether this is a profitable play. IMO it is
rarely optimal, even against morons, but there are (or at least used
to be) games where you could shove like this and get calls from all
kinds of ridiculous shit, sometimes even 2-3 calls. Haven't seen that
kind of game since Party was closed to American players, though.

But on Party, when I first started "playing poker," but before I
actually knew how to, I just cleared ridiculous bonuses by massively
multitabling, folding anything except aces and kings, and jamming
those, and turned more profit than I should have with such an idiot
strategy. Eventually I added set mining. Used to be you could make
$20+/hr just multitabling $25NL on Party, clearing a bonus, playing
mindless robot strategy, not even paying attention and doing other
stuff at the same time. (PLO8 was great for similarly mindless
strategies at the time.)

Eventually it got boring, the games got tougher, and I decided it was
probably a good idea to learn how to play poker if I was going to, you
know, play poker.

I seriously doubt "All In For Peanuts" is worth a shit on any site
that exists these days. There was at least a time, though, when it
was actually not unprofitable to pull shit like that.

Ah, for the days you could win at poker without even knowing how to
play. We will never see them again. At least not unless China
legalizes online poker.


   
Date: 24 Jan 2009 07:42:01
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 17 2009 1:08 PM, A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:49:43 -0800, "bgadams" <bob@bgadams.com> wrote:
>
> >How about "All In For Peanuts". As I read your post, I'm playing a
> >10/.20 NLHE and some idiot throws in his entire stack of $15 to steal the
> >blinds.
>
> Depends on the game whether this is a profitable play. IMO it is
> rarely optimal, even against morons, but there are (or at least used
> to be) games where you could shove like this and get calls from all
> kinds of ridiculous shit, sometimes even 2-3 calls. Haven't seen that
> kind of game since Party was closed to American players, though.
>
> But on Party, when I first started "playing poker," but before I
> actually knew how to, I just cleared ridiculous bonuses by massively
> multitabling, folding anything except aces and kings, and jamming
> those, and turned more profit than I should have with such an idiot
> strategy. Eventually I added set mining. Used to be you could make
> $20+/hr just multitabling $25NL on Party, clearing a bonus, playing
> mindless robot strategy, not even paying attention and doing other
> stuff at the same time. (PLO8 was great for similarly mindless
> strategies at the time.)

FINALLY ..WE AGREE on something .. I played 3 of the PLO8 at a time , and
played AA little like it was 4 aces . and just let nature take its course.

There was no need to get 'tricky" or try to outplay anyone .. just keep
shoving with reasonable hands , and they paid off like slot machines

If you lost a 25 cap buy in .. just reload and keep firing

When they lowered the blinds on the 25 cap games .. it greatly affected
the win amounts
>
> Eventually it got boring, the games got tougher, and I decided it was
> probably a good idea to learn how to play poker if I was going to, you
> know, play poker.
>
> I seriously doubt "All In For Peanuts" is worth a shit on any site
> that exists these days. There was at least a time, though, when it
> was actually not unprofitable to pull shit like that.
>
> Ah, for the days you could win at poker without even knowing how to
> play. We will never see them again. At least not unless China
> legalizes online poker.


Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
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Date: 20 Jan 2009 07:58:13
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
> But on Party, when I first started "playing poker,"

THIS makes sense. How long ago was that? I figured you for a 50+er.

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Date: 17 Jan 2009 11:56:39
From: bgadams
Subject: Re: Dumbest things in poker
On Jan 17 2009 3:08 PM, A Man Beaten by Jacks wrote:

> On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 10:49:43 -0800, "bgadams" <bob@bgadams.com> wrote:
>
> >How about "All In For Peanuts". As I read your post, I'm playing a
> >10/.20 NLHE and some idiot throws in his entire stack of $15 to steal the
> >blinds.
>
> Depends on the game whether this is a profitable play. IMO it is
> rarely optimal, even against morons, but there are (or at least used
> to be) games where you could shove like this and get calls from all
> kinds of ridiculous shit, sometimes even 2-3 calls. Haven't seen that
> kind of game since Party was closed to American players, though.
>
> But on Party, when I first started "playing poker," but before I
> actually knew how to, I just cleared ridiculous bonuses by massively
> multitabling, folding anything except aces and kings, and jamming
> those, and turned more profit than I should have with such an idiot
> strategy. Eventually I added set mining. Used to be you could make
> $20+/hr just multitabling $25NL on Party, clearing a bonus, playing
> mindless robot strategy, not even paying attention and doing other
> stuff at the same time. (PLO8 was great for similarly mindless
> strategies at the time.)
>
> Eventually it got boring, the games got tougher, and I decided it was
> probably a good idea to learn how to play poker if I was going to, you
> know, play poker.
>
> I seriously doubt "All In For Peanuts" is worth a shit on any site
> that exists these days. There was at least a time, though, when it
> was actually not unprofitable to pull shit like that.
>
> Ah, for the days you could win at poker without even knowing how to
> play. We will never see them again. At least not unless China
> legalizes online poker.

Interesting. This was at Cake, which often reminds me of Party especially
at the .10/.20 levels.

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