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Date: 15 Dec 2008 06:41:00
From: Lute
Subject: Do TV Cash Poker Players Use their own money?
Do TV Cash Poker Players Use their own money?

I was watching cash poker on TV the other night, and I noticed a few
things that don't seem right.

1. The players seemed a whole lot looser than players I have watched
in big cash games in casinos.

2. Table selection was horrible. All the players were well known
pros :)

So it seems to me that these payers must be getting paid to play
(that's obvious, why else would they show their hole cards to the
world?). But how much? Is any of the money on the table their own?

If anyone knows, or can support a theory, I'd like to hear it.

Thanks.




 
Date: 15 Dec 2008 10:25:33
From: phlash74
Subject: Re: Do TV Cash Poker Players Use their own money?
On Dec 15, 6:41=A0am, Lute <lutelat...@msn.com > wrote:
> Do TV Cash Poker Players Use their own money?
>
> I was watching cash poker on TV the other night, and I noticed a few
> things that don't seem right.
>
> 1. =A0The players seemed a whole lot looser than players I have watched
> in big cash games in casinos.
>
> 2. =A0Table selection was horrible. =A0All the players were well known
> pros :)
>
> So it seems to me that these payers must be getting paid to play
> (that's obvious, why else would they show their hole cards to the
> world?). =A0But how much? =A0Is any of the money on the table their own?
>
> If anyone knows, or can support a theory, I'd like to hear it.
>
> Thanks.


The players on HSP do receive an appearance fee, although nowhere near
enough to cover their buy-in. Most of the players, especially in the
bigger buy-in game ($500K) are backed and/or trading percentages with
other players, hence the constant attempts to lower variance by
running it twice and taking money out of the pot. And some of the
players (Sammy, Eli, and Jamie Gold especially) are playing way too
loose because they're action junkies. The other players are actually
practicing good table selection, since many of these "well known pros"
are terrible cash game players. However, the good players are playing
loose preflop, and tight aggressive postflop, which is actually pretty
sound deep stack big bet poker strategy. I haven't seen many examples
of the good players putting in large portions of their stack postflop
without a big hand or draw.

Michael


 
Date: 15 Dec 2008 09:41:57
From: Wayne Vinson
Subject: Re: Do TV Cash Poker Players Use their own money?
On Dec 15 2008 8:41 AM, Lute wrote:

> Do TV Cash Poker Players Use their own money?
>
> I was watching cash poker on TV the other night, and I noticed a few
> things that don't seem right.
>
> 1. The players seemed a whole lot looser than players I have watched
> in big cash games in casinos.
>
> 2. Table selection was horrible. All the players were well known
> pros :)
>
> So it seems to me that these payers must be getting paid to play
> (that's obvious, why else would they show their hole cards to the
> world?). But how much? Is any of the money on the table their own?
>
> If anyone knows, or can support a theory, I'd like to hear it.
>
> Thanks.

If you're talking about High Stakes Poker, yes, it's mostly their own
money. The loose play early in the hands is a function of the deep stacks
and the way the show is edited.

The table selection may not be as bad as you think. While the show has
had some very competent NL players on it (Doyle, Barry, Tod, Chip etc.)
it's also had some huge donkeys. Any cash game involving Phil Helmuth is
likely a good game.

If you're talking about some other show, I can't help you.

Wayne Vinson
http://cardsharp.org/beginner-mistakes-giving-up-won-money-for-no-good-reason/
Wayne (dot) Vinson (at) gmail (dot) com

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Date: 15 Dec 2008 18:21:53
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Do TV Cash Poker Players Use their own money?
"Wayne Vinson" <a7a88fc@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:5ghi16xinu.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 15 2008 8:41 AM, Lute wrote:
>
>> Do TV Cash Poker Players Use their own money?
>>
>> I was watching cash poker on TV the other night, and I noticed a few
>> things that don't seem right.
>>
>> 1. The players seemed a whole lot looser than players I have watched
>> in big cash games in casinos.
>>
>> 2. Table selection was horrible. All the players were well known
>> pros :)
>>
>> So it seems to me that these payers must be getting paid to play
>> (that's obvious, why else would they show their hole cards to the
>> world?). But how much? Is any of the money on the table their own?
>>
>> If anyone knows, or can support a theory, I'd like to hear it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>
> If you're talking about High Stakes Poker, yes, it's mostly their own
> money. The loose play early in the hands is a function of the deep stacks
> and the way the show is edited.
>
> The table selection may not be as bad as you think. While the show has
> had some very competent NL players on it (Doyle, Barry, Tod, Chip etc.)
> it's also had some huge donkeys. Any cash game involving Phil Helmuth is
> likely a good game.

Jamie Gold was a riot.

Last night they re-ran the end-of-season show for whatever year they had the
$500k buy-in (I hadn't seen it before) and they gave out awards -- Gold got
one for missing the most value bets. It was funnier than I'm making it
sound.

Matusow's a lot of fun too.

Jim




 
Date: 15 Dec 2008 08:03:27
From: number6
Subject: Re: Do TV Cash Poker Players Use their own money?
On Dec 15, 10:01=A0am, "charrison100" <a11f...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
beat them and head down to the casino to play the "pro"
>
> Game selection is a none issue. If you want to be on TV and you want the
> sponsorship money then you play with whomever the producers sit down in
> front of you. I am sure Hellmuth would play a chimp on TV is they paid hi=
s
> appearance fee.

Yeah ... but any self respecting chimp would hold out for a lot of
money to put up with Helmuth ...


 
Date: 15 Dec 2008 07:01:26
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: Do TV Cash Poker Players Use their own money?
On Dec 15 2008 9:41 AM, Lute wrote:

> Do TV Cash Poker Players Use their own money?
>
> I was watching cash poker on TV the other night, and I noticed a few
> things that don't seem right.
>
> 1. The players seemed a whole lot looser than players I have watched
> in big cash games in casinos.
>
> 2. Table selection was horrible. All the players were well known
> pros :)
>
> So it seems to me that these payers must be getting paid to play
> (that's obvious, why else would they show their hole cards to the
> world?). But how much? Is any of the money on the table their own?
>
> If anyone knows, or can support a theory, I'd like to hear it.
>
> Thanks.

I heard that most of the cash is what they are paid in appearance fees.
Since this is the case I suspect they are playing freeroll style. The
craftier ones may be doing this to get the guys watching at home to say
they can beat them and head down to the casino to play the "pro"

Game selection is a none issue. If you want to be on TV and you want the
sponsorship money then you play with whomever the producers sit down in
front of you. I am sure Hellmuth would play a chimp on TV is they paid his
appearance fee.

Chris

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Date: 15 Dec 2008 07:25:57
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Do TV Cash Poker Players Use their own money?
> I am sure Hellmuth would play a chimp on TV is they paid his
> appearance fee.
>
> Chris

I would pay money to see that! Watch as the monkey goes all in and hits
on the river with some stupid hand. All the while Hellmuth is berating
the money while it has one of those stupid monkey grins on its face!

Classic.

lol

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Date: 15 Dec 2008 07:38:00
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: Do TV Cash Poker Players Use their own money?
On Dec 15 2008 10:25 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > I am sure Hellmuth would play a chimp on TV is they paid his
> > appearance fee.
> >
> > Chris
>
> I would pay money to see that! Watch as the monkey goes all in and hits
> on the river with some stupid hand. All the while Hellmuth is berating
> the money while it has one of those stupid monkey grins on its face!
>
> Classic.
>
> lol
>
> ========================================
> You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
> nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
> ========
> BOOM byae
> John

One of these

http://www.ooze.com/finger/assets/images/monkey.jpg

Chris

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