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Date: 05 Jan 2009 06:46:01
From: smk17
Subject: Did I play this really wrong??
24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.

After 90 minutes I'm up to 16000 (blinds are now 500-1000) I'm in
middle position and the person before me raises to 2000. I look down
and see AA. I re-raise to 4000. My thinking was to either win the pot
then and there or just get more chips in there.

everyone folds, she calls 2000.

Flop is K97 rainbow. Cool I think...

She bets 6000.

Crap!! I think, she's been playing crap all night. making very loose
calls. She may have AK, KQ, heck even K3 suited....

I go all in. 12000

She calls with her pocket 9's

turn 7, river 3, full boat

Let me know how much of a donkey I am. From now on, when I see AA, I'm
all in preflop. She would have called any re-raise I made preflop, I'm
99% sure of that.







 
Date: 11 Jan 2009 17:50:49
From:
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
From a tournament point of view it was a bad call.
you played this so wrong in so many ways I shouldn't
waste my time.

On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 06:46:01 -0800 (PST), smk17 <smk17@cornell.edu >
wrote:

>24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.
>
>After 90 minutes I'm up to 16000 (blinds are now 500-1000) I'm in
>middle position and the person before me raises to 2000. I look down
>and see AA. I re-raise to 4000. My thinking was to either win the pot
>then and there or just get more chips in there.

a 2x raise is going to take down the pot ?
try 4x next time
if you get calls assume they have good cards and not necessarily
broadway's factor in pairs

>
>everyone folds, she calls 2000.
>
>Flop is K97 rainbow. Cool I think...
>
>She bets 6000.

3x bet villain has something.

>
>Crap!! I think, she's been playing crap all night. making very loose
>calls. She may have AK, KQ, heck even K3 suited....

making very loose calls and your attributing villain with AK ?
loose players generally do not know about fancy play or how to fold.
why are you equating loose cards with loose bets?
they only know cards and some crazy method they use for odds.
your the same skill level as villain. you just think your better cause
your reading RPG and other stuff. reading does not equate to
experience.

I was thinking 97, T8 or at best K9.
villain KNOWS you have at least cowboys

a re-raise isn't going to come out unless them are beat.
if villain is a really loose player the re-raise on a possible
straight with two runners to come is possible but this is a fancy
play normally seen by more advanced players or donkeys who
don't know how to back out. either way you want it to happen
a re-raise with a just single pair is also a fancy play.

Villain was sure she had the nuts and told you so.
you just decided to ignore it cause you had the mythical Ace's
bummer it wasn't Kings.
you've seen the TV ad's knowing when to fold is the mark
of a pro.

Rule number One. EVERY lose is YOUR fault!
Figure out why and you'll get better.

SnG or tournament wise FORGET the percent of stack vs blind shit.
specially on a table of donkeys.
treat that stack like it's your life cause it really is.

I can't believe some of the answers given to this question.
you guy's deliberately giving out bad advice or your so bad
yourselves you don't realize you are?

>
>I go all in. 12000
>
>She calls with her pocket 9's
>
>turn 7, river 3, full boat
>
>Let me know how much of a donkey I am. From now on, when I see AA, I'm
>all in preflop. She would have called any re-raise I made preflop, I'm
>99% sure of that.
>
>


  
Date: 11 Jan 2009 16:12:53
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 11 2009 5:50 PM, AJ wrote:

> Rule number One. EVERY lose is YOUR fault!
> Figure out why and you'll get better.

Where the hell do you people come from?

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Date: 12 Jan 2009 17:03:22
From:
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
Now this I find Interesting. I posted an introduction
per net protocol a few months ago.

So it's true. The bad answers are coming
from bad players.

Morphy skips over many lines of poker logic
I gave the guy and keys on the one method
that taught me how to think like that.

It's a rule I made after reading many poker
books and articles that were trying to teach
me. At the very least it forces me to do an
analysis of the hand that took me out.

Watch your back dude. Us young guns
are coming and we've been trained daily
in the best possible environment, the Bars.
Sound familiar? what other pro's got their
training the same way?

Please next time show me your skills
not your personality.

AJ

On Sun, 11 Jan 2009 16:12:53 -0800, "XaQ Morphy"
<a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>On Jan 11 2009 5:50 PM, AJ wrote:
>
>> Rule number One. EVERY lose is YOUR fault!
>> Figure out why and you'll get better.
>
>Where the hell do you people come from?
>
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 15:13:43
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 12 2009 5:03 PM, AJ wrote:

> Now this I find Interesting. I posted an introduction
> per net protocol a few months ago.
>
> So it's true. The bad answers are coming
> from bad players.
>
> Morphy skips over many lines of poker logic
> I gave the guy and keys on the one method
> that taught me how to think like that.
>
> It's a rule I made after reading many poker
> books and articles that were trying to teach
> me. At the very least it forces me to do an
> analysis of the hand that took me out.
>
> Watch your back dude. Us young guns
> are coming and we've been trained daily
> in the best possible environment, the Bars.
> Sound familiar? what other pro's got their
> training the same way?
>
> Please next time show me your skills
> not your personality.

Ok dipshit, here we go. First of all, your quote:

> >> Rule number One. EVERY lose is YOUR fault!
> >> Figure out why and you'll get better.

I'll assume you meant "EVERY loss", so we won't get get on that.

OK Sparky McSparksalot, here's a situation for you:

NLHE SNG, you and your opponent each have 1500 chips, blinds 25/50 and
there are 6 players left. You have AA and raise to 150. It folds to the
BB who re-raises to 450. You move in, he calls with KK. Board is 2386K
and you lose.

Is that your fault?

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Date: 11 Jan 2009 16:23:31
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 11 2009 4:12 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 11 2009 5:50 PM, AJ wrote:
>
> > Rule number One. EVERY lose is YOUR fault!
> > Figure out why and you'll get better.
>
> Where the hell do you people come from?

Doggy has been telling all his friends down at the vfw to start posting on
rgp.

>
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Date: 06 Jan 2009 13:43:15
From: Old Wolf
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 7, 2:15=A0am, "charrison100" <a11f...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 6 2009 1:24 AM, Lab Rat wrote:
> > BB 1000, raise to 2000, reraise to 4000. How is this a min-raise?
>
> When I typed it I thought that the blinds were 1000-2000. As you point ou=
t
> I was wrong.
>
> She min raised.

That's a bit of a 'tell', from weak players, if a fish
minraises preflop (especially if someone else has
already raised) then I put them on "probably AA"
pending further information.

Of course, this isn't a dead giveaway, there are
fish that will minraise from any position with any
"good" hand (e.g. minraise AQo in the SB after
six limpers), but you can categorise fish gobblers
pretty quickly since they hardly ever fold the hand
before showdown :)


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 04:14:13
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5, 11:57=A0pm, joeturn <joeturn2...@yahoo.com > wrote:
> All wrong pocket aces should never bet just call preflop!
> Never go all in at any time unless you have the nutts or the desire to
> loose!
> You want to trap the crowd , if there is a big bet to call after the
> flop you must assume someone has a minimum of two pair and fold!!
> The king on the flop and a bet to call ,got you to thinking AK then
> you could call a resonable bet! Soo if you get jacked again on the
> turn you must assume your aces are no longer any good and baill saving
> your stack for a different challenge!! The Race is over ,no shame in
> selling out you will get to return the favor if you have chips left!!

Ahh I see your mistake was, assuming he had AK when the King flopped!!
This was your mistake. If there are only two unseen aces you should
not have assumed he/she had one and a bet would indicate another king
was no threat!
Pocket aces are over rated ,they are actually no better than pocket
douces preflop! They can win you the blinds if your bet is large
enough to run every one out or cost you an arm and a leg if your short
stacked .The caller will assume your desperate and keep you honest!
Its best to slow play every hand till the river then push if your
locked with more than three people at the table. If theres only three
players left at the table then you can push or buy at will if you know
the players!!

Im talking live game at a casino where card sharps are less often
found! The casino will put one in on you, if your have them at bay!!
Never play online as everyone there has an extra deck up there sleeve!!


 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 20:57:02
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??


All wrong pocket aces should never bet just call preflop!
Never go all in at any time unless you have the nutts or the desire to
loose!
You want to trap the crowd , if there is a big bet to call after the
flop you must assume someone has a minimum of two pair and fold!!
The king on the flop and a bet to call ,got you to thinking AK then
you could call a resonable bet! Soo if you get jacked again on the
turn you must assume your aces are no longer any good and baill saving
your stack for a different challenge!! The Race is over ,no shame in
selling out you will get to return the favor if you have chips left!!


 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 17:13:19
From: Old Wolf
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 6, 4:09=A0am, "charrison100" <a11f...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 5 2009 9:46 AM, smk17 wrote:
>
> > 24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.
>
> > After 90 minutes I'm up to 16000 =A0(blinds are now 500-1000) =A0I'm in
> > middle position and the person before me raises to 2000. I look down
> > and see AA. I re-raise to 4000. My thinking was to either win the pot
> > then and there or just get more chips in there.
>
> With only a min raise I am surprised she did not reraise you.
>
> Make it more here 8000 still has you in decent shape. All in given the
> blinds may not have been bad but you would not expect a caller.

I think the min raise is fine. It might prompt a reraise,
as you say. It gets more money in the pot and
encourages people to call. If people are going to call
off their whole stack if they flop one pair then you
don't want to chase them off!


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 16:24:01
From: Lab Rat
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??

"Old Wolf" <oldwolf@inspire.net.nz > wrote in message
news:42b11c9b-aa78-4fa9-932e-1f665b4dd6ca@g3g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 6, 4:09 am, "charrison100" <a11f...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 5 2009 9:46 AM, smk17 wrote:
>
> > 24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.
>
> > After 90 minutes I'm up to 16000 (blinds are now 500-1000) I'm in
> > middle position and the person before me raises to 2000. I look down
> > and see AA. I re-raise to 4000. My thinking was to either win the pot
> > then and there or just get more chips in there.
>
> With only a min raise I am surprised she did not reraise you.
>
> Make it more here 8000 still has you in decent shape. All in given the
> blinds may not have been bad but you would not expect a caller.

I think the min raise is fine. It might prompt a reraise,
as you say. It gets more money in the pot and
encourages people to call. If people are going to call
off their whole stack if they flop one pair then you
don't want to chase them off!

--------------------------------------------------------

BB 1000, raise to 2000, reraise to 4000. How is this a min-raise?




   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 05:15:09
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 6 2009 1:24 AM, Lab Rat wrote:

> "Old Wolf" <oldwolf@inspire.net.nz> wrote in message
> news:42b11c9b-aa78-4fa9-932e-1f665b4dd6ca@g3g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 6, 4:09 am, "charrison100" <a11f...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Jan 5 2009 9:46 AM, smk17 wrote:
> >
> > > 24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.
> >
> > > After 90 minutes I'm up to 16000 (blinds are now 500-1000) I'm in
> > > middle position and the person before me raises to 2000. I look down
> > > and see AA. I re-raise to 4000. My thinking was to either win the pot
> > > then and there or just get more chips in there.
> >
> > With only a min raise I am surprised she did not reraise you.
> >
> > Make it more here 8000 still has you in decent shape. All in given the
> > blinds may not have been bad but you would not expect a caller.
>
> I think the min raise is fine. It might prompt a reraise,
> as you say. It gets more money in the pot and
> encourages people to call. If people are going to call
> off their whole stack if they flop one pair then you
> don't want to chase them off!
>
> --------------------------------------------------------
>
> BB 1000, raise to 2000, reraise to 4000. How is this a min-raise?

When I typed it I thought that the blinds were 1000-2000. As you point out
I was wrong.

She min raised.

Chris

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 10:59:19
From: smk17
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5, 2:00=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 5 2009 8:46 AM, smk17 wrote:
>
> > 24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.
>
> Ok.
>
> > She bets 6000.
>
> She? =A0Is she a man?
>
> > Let me know how much of a donkey I am. From now on, when I see AA, I'm
> > all in preflop. She would have called any re-raise I made preflop, I'm
> > 99% sure of that.
>
> The only thing I do differently is just shove preflop. =A0You're only
> looking for a way to play it differently because you lost. =A0If she turn=
s
> over KJ there and you win the pot you never even think about posting it.
>
> The other thing is that you are re-raising to get called, not to get her
> to fold. =A0You put your chips in the pot with the best hand, you don't w=
ant
> something like 99 to fold there. =A0Many people will look back on it and =
say
> "if I would have jammed she would have folded", but that is pretty bad,
> results oriented thinking. =A0Try to stay away from this sort of thing.
>
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Very good point. Thanks

She was a she....

24 person tourney, lol


 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 11:00:15
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5 2009 8:46 AM, smk17 wrote:

> 24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.

Ok.

> She bets 6000.

She? Is she a man?

> Let me know how much of a donkey I am. From now on, when I see AA, I'm
> all in preflop. She would have called any re-raise I made preflop, I'm
> 99% sure of that.

The only thing I do differently is just shove preflop. You're only
looking for a way to play it differently because you lost. If she turns
over KJ there and you win the pot you never even think about posting it.

The other thing is that you are re-raising to get called, not to get her
to fold. You put your chips in the pot with the best hand, you don't want
something like 99 to fold there. Many people will look back on it and say
"if I would have jammed she would have folded", but that is pretty bad,
results oriented thinking. Try to stay away from this sort of thing.

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 10:41:47
From: smk17
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5, 1:00=A0pm, Beatsy <steve_be...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On 5 Jan, 14:46, smk17 <sm...@cornell.edu> wrote:
>

The 6000 raise was very unusual, and it wasn't on the river, it was
right after the flop. Definitely one of her biggest bets of the night.
She always min-raised. But, well, I thought that SHE thought she had
the goods. Like a pair of Kings. Did not put her on trips. I think she
played it better than I'm giving her credit for. My min-raise preflop
was the error. I didn't get enough info from her with her 2000 call.
She may have folded if I went all in preflop. Maybe, ...that's a tough
call. But if I raised her first raise to 6000, I believe she would
have called the other 4000. But if I pushed in 16000....

Two hands before mine she called an all-in with Ac 5s. Board was three
clubs 9,8,5. All in guy flopped a 10 high flush, pushed all in and she
called with her pair of 5's and a nut flush draw, she hit the club on
the turn.

She was sitting very pretty after taking me out.

By the way, what is UL and GG?







> > 24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.
>
> > After 90 minutes I'm up to 16000 =A0(blinds are now 500-1000) =A0I'm in
> > middle position and the person before me raises to 2000. I look down
> > and see AA. I re-raise to 4000. My thinking was to either win the pot
> > then and there or just get more chips in there.
>
> > everyone folds, she calls 2000.
>
> > Flop is K97 rainbow. Cool I think...
>
> > She bets 6000.
>
> > Crap!! I think, she's been playing crap all night. making very loose
> > calls. She may have AK, KQ, heck even K3 suited....
>
> > I go all in. 12000
>
> > She calls with her pocket 9's
>
> > turn 7, river 3, full boat
>
> > Let me know how much of a donkey I am. From now on, when I see AA, I'm
> > all in preflop. She would have called any re-raise I made preflop, I'm
> > 99% sure of that.
>
> Was the 6000 raise on the river "typical" or unusual? You said she
> called with crap a lot; but did she only raise with the goods?
>
> But I guess you'd have spotted that and had a different subject line
> (and outcome ;-)
>
> Looks like 'ul, gg' to me.



  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 11:07:42
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5 2009 12:41 PM, smk17 wrote:

> By the way, what is UL and GG?

UL = unlucky
GG = good game
by the way = BTW

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 11:12:44
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5 2009 2:07 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 5 2009 12:41 PM, smk17 wrote:
>
> > By the way, what is UL and GG?
>
> UL = unlucky
> GG = good game
> by the way = BTW
>
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eh, I was close.

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 18:24:15
From: JB
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
ROFLMFAO

"MMelia" <a4f63df@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:cm2a36x1j9.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 5 2009 2:07 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
>> On Jan 5 2009 12:41 PM, smk17 wrote:
>>
>> > By the way, what is UL and GG?
>>
>> UL = unlucky
>> GG = good game
>> by the way = BTW
>>
>> ---
>> Morphy
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>> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>> "SHUT UP IDIOT" --The Great Patholio
>
> eh, I was close.
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Date: 05 Jan 2009 15:47:52
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
Ya, I know. I need to shut up. This is what happens when I get bored. :P

On Jan 5 2009 6:24 PM, JB wrote:

> ROFLMFAO
>
> "MMelia" <a4f63df@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:cm2a36x1j9.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 5 2009 2:07 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
> >
> >> On Jan 5 2009 12:41 PM, smk17 wrote:
> >>
> >> > By the way, what is UL and GG?
> >>
> >> UL = unlucky
> >> GG = good game
> >> by the way = BTW
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Morphy
> >> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> >> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> >> "SHUT UP IDIOT" --The Great Patholio
> >
> > eh, I was close.
> >

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 16:16:06
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5 2009 5:47 PM, MMelia wrote:

> Ya, I know. I need to shut up. This is what happens when I get bored. :P

Me too. gg, wp, nh, ul. Want to try to get even tomorrow?

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 16:56:44
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5 2009 7:16 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 5 2009 5:47 PM, MMelia wrote:
>
> > Ya, I know. I need to shut up. This is what happens when I get bored. :P
>
> Me too. gg, wp, nh, ul. Want to try to get even tomorrow?
>
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I have to lick my wounds first. But maybe. :)

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 10:59:12
From: MMelia
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5 2009 1:41 PM, smk17 wrote:

> On Jan 5, 1:00pm, Beatsy <steve_be...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 5 Jan, 14:46, smk17 <sm...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> >
>
> The 6000 raise was very unusual, and it wasn't on the river, it was
> right after the flop. Definitely one of her biggest bets of the night.
> She always min-raised. But, well, I thought that SHE thought she had
> the goods. Like a pair of Kings. Did not put her on trips. I think she
> played it better than I'm giving her credit for. My min-raise preflop
> was the error. I didn't get enough info from her with her 2000 call.
> She may have folded if I went all in preflop. Maybe, ...that's a tough
> call. But if I raised her first raise to 6000, I believe she would
> have called the other 4000. But if I pushed in 16000....
>
> Two hands before mine she called an all-in with Ac 5s. Board was three
> clubs 9,8,5. All in guy flopped a 10 high flush, pushed all in and she
> called with her pair of 5's and a nut flush draw, she hit the club on
> the turn.
>
> She was sitting very pretty after taking me out.
>
> By the way, what is UL and GG?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > > 24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.
> >
> > > After 90 minutes I'm up to 16000 (blinds are now 500-1000) I'm in
> > > middle position and the person before me raises to 2000. I look down
> > > and see AA. I re-raise to 4000. My thinking was to either win the pot
> > > then and there or just get more chips in there.
> >
> > > everyone folds, she calls 2000.
> >
> > > Flop is K97 rainbow. Cool I think...
> >
> > > She bets 6000.
> >
> > > Crap!! I think, she's been playing crap all night. making very loose
> > > calls. She may have AK, KQ, heck even K3 suited....
> >
> > > I go all in. 12000
> >
> > > She calls with her pocket 9's
> >
> > > turn 7, river 3, full boat
> >
> > > Let me know how much of a donkey I am. From now on, when I see AA, I'm
> > > all in preflop. She would have called any re-raise I made preflop, I'm
> > > 99% sure of that.
> >
> > Was the 6000 raise on the river "typical" or unusual? You said she
> > called with crap a lot; but did she only raise with the goods?
> >
> > But I guess you'd have spotted that and had a different subject line
> > (and outcome ;-)
> >
> > Looks like 'ul, gg' to me.

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 10:00:02
From: Beatsy
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On 5 Jan, 14:46, smk17 <sm...@cornell.edu > wrote:
> 24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.
>
> After 90 minutes I'm up to 16000 =A0(blinds are now 500-1000) =A0I'm in
> middle position and the person before me raises to 2000. I look down
> and see AA. I re-raise to 4000. My thinking was to either win the pot
> then and there or just get more chips in there.
>
> everyone folds, she calls 2000.
>
> Flop is K97 rainbow. Cool I think...
>
> She bets 6000.
>
> Crap!! I think, she's been playing crap all night. making very loose
> calls. She may have AK, KQ, heck even K3 suited....
>
> I go all in. 12000
>
> She calls with her pocket 9's
>
> turn 7, river 3, full boat
>
> Let me know how much of a donkey I am. From now on, when I see AA, I'm
> all in preflop. She would have called any re-raise I made preflop, I'm
> 99% sure of that.

Was the 6000 raise on the river "typical" or unusual? You said she
called with crap a lot; but did she only raise with the goods?

But I guess you'd have spotted that and had a different subject line
(and outcome ;-)

Looks like 'ul, gg' to me.


 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 08:08:34
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5, 6:46=A0am, smk17 <sm...@cornell.edu > wrote:
> 24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.
>
> After 90 minutes I'm up to 16000 =A0(blinds are now 500-1000) =A0I'm in
> middle position and the person before me raises to 2000. I look down
> and see AA. I re-raise to 4000. My thinking was to either win the pot
> then and there or just get more chips in there.
>
> everyone folds, she calls 2000.
>
> Flop is K97 rainbow. Cool I think...
>
> She bets 6000.
>
> Crap!! I think, she's been playing crap all night. making very loose
> calls. She may have AK, KQ, heck even K3 suited....
>
> I go all in. 12000
>
> She calls with her pocket 9's
>
> turn 7, river 3, full boat
>
> Let me know how much of a donkey I am. From now on, when I see AA, I'm
> all in preflop. She would have called any re-raise I made preflop, I'm
> 99% sure of that.


Even if you jam she probably calls so GG. Sniffing sets is impossible
to do with Donkeys. They play AK like KKK or 999. If you are married
to a hand like AA it is better to jam pre flop so when she hits a set
it is a suckout. If not you are the donkey for not folding to a set.





 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 07:26:15
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5, 10:26=A0am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 5 2009 9:03 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 5, 9:46=A0am, smk17 <sm...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> > > 24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.
>
> > > After 90 minutes I'm up to 16000 =A0(blinds are now 500-1000) =A0I'm =
in
> > > middle position and the person before me raises to 2000. I look down
> > > and see AA. I re-raise to 4000. My thinking was to either win the pot
> > > then and there or just get more chips in there.
>
> > With sixteen big blinds, you don't have room to play poker here. After
> > putting in twenty-five percent of your stack, you are never going to
> > be in a spot to fold correctly. Move IN.
>
> > > everyone folds, she calls 2000.
>
> > > Flop is K97 rainbow. Cool I think...
>
> > Why? All flops are equally dangerous, really, when it is a set you
> > fear. Not that I would play it any differently than you did.
>
> > > She bets 6000.
>
> > > Crap!! I think, she's been playing crap all night. making very loose
> > > calls. She may have AK, KQ, heck even K3 suited....
>
> > > I go all in. 12000
>
> > > She calls with her pocket 9's
>
> > > turn 7, river 3, full boat
>
> > > Let me know how much of a donkey I am. From now on, when I see AA, I'=
m
> > > all in preflop. She would have called any re-raise I made preflop, I'=
m
> > > 99% sure of that.
>
> RIDICULOUS STATEMENT .. 25 % is poyt committed? =A0STUPID

Getting down to twelve big blinds and folding is what is stupid. With
a bigger stack, twenty-five percent wouldn't be pot-committed but we
aren't talking about a bigger stack. The guy has sixteen big blinds at
the start of this hand, which is bad. Getting down to twelve would be
tragic.

>
>
>
> > That last bit is an _excuse_ If she would have called any re-raise,
> > you should have raised all-in.
>
> NOW HOW WOULD HE KNOW THAT PREFLOP ?

Of course he couldn't. However, that whine is very common when an
opponent doesn't fold to a min raise or when someone doesn't even
raise and ends up losing his stack.

Why are you so fucking stupid?

--
Will in New Haven


> Not because you want to prevent a bad-
>
> > beat but because you want to have all the chips in the middle the vast
> > majority of the time, when you win the hand. If the stacks were
> > bigger, your raise is still awfully small. Because you want to win
> > more with your Aces, not because you want to avoid having someone out-
> > flop you. Try to make a re-raise that will let you move all-in on the
> > flop without over-betting the pot all that much. If your stacks are
> > too small to do that, just move in. If they are too large to do that,
> > raise to more like triple her original raise and play it out from
> > there.
>
> > --
> > Will in New Haven
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities=
.
> Voltaire
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Date: 05 Jan 2009 07:03:56
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5, 9:46=A0am, smk17 <sm...@cornell.edu > wrote:
> 24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.
>
> After 90 minutes I'm up to 16000 =A0(blinds are now 500-1000) =A0I'm in
> middle position and the person before me raises to 2000. I look down
> and see AA. I re-raise to 4000. My thinking was to either win the pot
> then and there or just get more chips in there.

With sixteen big blinds, you don't have room to play poker here. After
putting in twenty-five percent of your stack, you are never going to
be in a spot to fold correctly. Move IN.

>
> everyone folds, she calls 2000.
>
> Flop is K97 rainbow. Cool I think...

Why? All flops are equally dangerous, really, when it is a set you
fear. Not that I would play it any differently than you did.

>
> She bets 6000.
>
> Crap!! I think, she's been playing crap all night. making very loose
> calls. She may have AK, KQ, heck even K3 suited....
>
> I go all in. 12000
>
> She calls with her pocket 9's
>
> turn 7, river 3, full boat
>
> Let me know how much of a donkey I am. From now on, when I see AA, I'm
> all in preflop. She would have called any re-raise I made preflop, I'm
> 99% sure of that.


That last bit is an _excuse_ If she would have called any re-raise,
you should have raised all-in. Not because you want to prevent a bad-
beat but because you want to have all the chips in the middle the vast
majority of the time, when you win the hand. If the stacks were
bigger, your raise is still awfully small. Because you want to win
more with your Aces, not because you want to avoid having someone out-
flop you. Try to make a re-raise that will let you move all-in on the
flop without over-betting the pot all that much. If your stacks are
too small to do that, just move in. If they are too large to do that,
raise to more like triple her original raise and play it out from
there.

--
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Date: 05 Jan 2009 07:26:37
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5 2009 9:03 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> On Jan 5, 9:46am, smk17 <sm...@cornell.edu> wrote:
> > 24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.
> >
> > After 90 minutes I'm up to 16000 (blinds are now 500-1000) I'm in
> > middle position and the person before me raises to 2000. I look down
> > and see AA. I re-raise to 4000. My thinking was to either win the pot
> > then and there or just get more chips in there.
>
> With sixteen big blinds, you don't have room to play poker here. After
> putting in twenty-five percent of your stack, you are never going to
> be in a spot to fold correctly. Move IN.
>
> >
> > everyone folds, she calls 2000.
> >
> > Flop is K97 rainbow. Cool I think...
>
> Why? All flops are equally dangerous, really, when it is a set you
> fear. Not that I would play it any differently than you did.
>
> >
> > She bets 6000.
> >
> > Crap!! I think, she's been playing crap all night. making very loose
> > calls. She may have AK, KQ, heck even K3 suited....
> >
> > I go all in. 12000
> >
> > She calls with her pocket 9's
> >
> > turn 7, river 3, full boat
> >
> > Let me know how much of a donkey I am. From now on, when I see AA, I'm
> > all in preflop. She would have called any re-raise I made preflop, I'm
> > 99% sure of that.

RIDICULOUS STATEMENT .. 25 % is poyt committed? STUPID
>
>
> That last bit is an _excuse_ If she would have called any re-raise,
> you should have raised all-in.

NOW HOW WOULD HE KNOW THAT PREFLOP ?


Not because you want to prevent a bad-
> beat but because you want to have all the chips in the middle the vast
> majority of the time, when you win the hand. If the stacks were
> bigger, your raise is still awfully small. Because you want to win
> more with your Aces, not because you want to avoid having someone out-
> flop you. Try to make a re-raise that will let you move all-in on the
> flop without over-betting the pot all that much. If your stacks are
> too small to do that, just move in. If they are too large to do that,
> raise to more like triple her original raise and play it out from
> there.
>
> --
> Will in New Haven


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Date: 05 Jan 2009 14:59:53
From: I eat donks
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5 2009 3:26 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> On Jan 5 2009 9:03 AM, Will in New Haven wrote:
>
> >
> > With sixteen big blinds, you don't have room to play poker here. After
> > putting in twenty-five percent of your stack, you are never going to
> > be in a spot to fold correctly. Move IN.
> >

> RIDICULOUS STATEMENT .. 25 % is poyt committed? STUPID


FFS Doggy. You should really keep your mouth shut when it comes to
PLAYING poker, as opposed to banging on about silly dealing rules. That
way, we may forget how stupid you are.
In what way does puting in 25% of your stack preflop with aces not commit
you to the pot?

Your stack is now only just bigger than the pot. If we assume you have
100 BBs preflop, the pot now has 50 BBs, while your have 75BBs left in
your stack. How the fuck can you fold aces in this sort of situation?
Unless you have a way of seeing their cards, that is. Do you?

STUPID DOGGY!

>
>
> Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
> Voltaire


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And the last hand let us raise!
The miracle suck-outs will tally,
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Date: 05 Jan 2009 07:09:43
From: charrison100
Subject: Re: Did I play this really wrong??
On Jan 5 2009 9:46 AM, smk17 wrote:

> 24 man holdem tourney, started with 8000 in chips.
>
> After 90 minutes I'm up to 16000 (blinds are now 500-1000) I'm in
> middle position and the person before me raises to 2000. I look down
> and see AA. I re-raise to 4000. My thinking was to either win the pot
> then and there or just get more chips in there.

With only a min raise I am surprised she did not reraise you.

Make it more here 8000 still has you in decent shape. All in given the
blinds may not have been bad but you would not expect a caller.


>
> everyone folds, she calls 2000.
>
> Flop is K97 rainbow. Cool I think...
>
> She bets 6000.
>
> Crap!! I think, she's been playing crap all night. making very loose
> calls. She may have AK, KQ, heck even K3 suited....

Great that's the shit would want her playing with and making these moves.

>
> I go all in. 12000

Good, 15,500 in the pot this is a good chance to take it if she is playing
those hands.

>
> She calls with her pocket 9's
>
> turn 7, river 3, full boat
>
> Let me know how much of a donkey I am. From now on, when I see AA, I'm
> all in preflop.

that's just anger talking, You know that that is not a good option.

> She would have called any re-raise I made preflop, I'm
> 99% sure of that.

If she would have called any bet then the all in given the blinds and
stacks the a push would have been fine in this situation.

Chris

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