Well Daniel has accused me of cheating, and then offered an apology
Date: 13 Feb 2009 00:15:51|
Subject: Daniel N accuses Dreamclown of Cheating---Russ G
that isnt really an apology. I could say a lot on this but i am pretty
angry so i will just post the exchanges. What an ambassador for poker
this guy is!
in this thread
First of all, I don't trust you at all Dreamclown. Sources have told
me that you and your "team" have played in NL games at UB where
several of you were playing at the same time.
I don't know that is true for certain, but I have reason to trust my
source more than you. So while you "say" I'll only be playing you,
based on your ethical standards, why in the world would I take your
word? You aren't here to "throw me a bone" so what incentive would you
have to be honest with me?
As for playing you, I am going to bust you. I've busted clowns like
you all my life.
Since you do seem like a decent player, though, rest assured that I
won't let you go hungry. When you are busted and looking for a buyin
to a tournament, I'll be happy to stake you in some of the smaller buy
in limit hold'em tournaments on the circuit.
You puppies barked up the wrong tree...
DANIEL, this is nothing short of absurd. I am the only one of the four
who plays cash game NL, and eugene has played some NL tournaments.
Other than that the other 2 do not play no limit at all. I would love
to know who these sources are who have accused me of playing NL games
at UB working with one, two, or several other players. You can slander
us by citing an anonymous source and maybe people will believe you
because you are the big bad daniel negreanu, but this is a low blow i
wouldnt have expected from a man of your "stature". And after all your
drama with Russ Georgiev.....As Joe Budden said to 50 Cent, "same
artist you were dissing is exactly what you've become."
i would LOVE for you to come forward with some proof, but you wont be
able to simply because this cheating never happened. All four of us
are honest players and we dont share the same bankroll. We have our
own bankrolls, which we pool for 500-1000 and for heads up with
hellmuth on Ub, as well as taking pieces of each other here and there,
but NEVER in the same game.
As far as busting us well thats impossible. Not because you couldnt
win enough at 500-1000 to do it, but because i would quit you before
you get close. Im not here to put my entire bankroll on the line to
prove you're a clown, you have done a remarkably good job of that on
your own with your failed challenge matches, selling out your website,
and being the biggest self-promoter in poker. You are a joke and the
fact you would accuse me of cheating having never spoken to me in my
life shows what kind of person you are.
If you get a 500-1000 stud8 game on your site i will play you night
and day until you bust or quit, whichever comes first.
1. I don't play NL. Only one of us plays NL on UB, and infrequently.
What your 'source' may have seen was me sitting out in his game
talking, but I don't ever play No Limit (nor do the other two on UB),
so that is dead wrong. You send me a hand history over the course of
the last 6 months of any combination of us playing together in a UB NL
game and I will relent and say, 'ok, maybe Negreanu is more than a
tournament luckbox that blew up his own image to encompass 'cash game
specialist',' and begin to show you a little respect (which was
clearly all you were after with the recurring shortstack issue.)
2. The reason you'll only be playing me has nothing to do with ethics.
I am considered the best of the 4 of us. If you wanted to play stud8,
for example, it would be a different guy, again, 100% of the time. I
will always be playing you because I will be most likely to spin your
rookie head. My telling you that I will be the only one playing you
is, indeed, a matter of ethics, as I could let you believe we are all
huddled over the keyboard trading off. Of course, it doesn't matter to
me whether you believe me or not. I think you do in fact, and that you
are simply covering your bases, laying out your excuses ahead of time,
IN CASE the great businessman should lose long term to me.
I've busted clowns like you all my life.
You talk just like Hellmuth. You are a tournament player and a self-
promoter. How do you think you can slip in the notion that you have
'busted players all your life' and it will go unquestioned? Where and
when have you busted individual players? Has NEGREANU been the name to
avoid sitting alone at the high limits all these years?
4. I'm still waiting at the 500 table, fish.
When I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I'm happy to admit it. It was
innapropriate of me to say that the dreamclown kids were playing in
the same game at UB.
That is what two sources told me, but I have no proof of it myself so
I never should have brought it up. For that, I do apologize.
Having said that, I have absolutely no reason to trust what they say
because, frankly, I don't know them and they don't know me.
Based on the way they have ran their mouths on the internet, though,
doesn't make me a believer that they are "peachy clean" kids. Snot
nosed punks yes, peachy clean kids, not so much.
So again, aplogizes for bringing up accusations without proof, but I'm
still going to bury you guys.
After I humble you sonny boy, I'll take you to the bar and buy you a
drink. Then, I'll teach you lesson #2- humility, how to win with
I will talk some smack now, because you aren't hurtin' yet. Once I put
a nice big dent into that stack, though, I won't tell you, "I told you
so," I won't laugh in your face, and I won't mock you. I'll console
you, letting you know it happens to all young kids who bite off more
than they can chew.
Until then, be warned, big Daddy is coming to nab your roll!
the sad thing is many people look up to this guy and take what he says
as gospel. i like apologizing for not having proof but basically
saying that it's true, and people will believe him. the funniest thing
is that i rarely play the 25-50 on ub, usually 10-25 and none of the
other 3 EVER play no limit, they are limit players... anyway i hadnt
said anything to danny before had stayed out of the situation but now
that hes accusing me of cheating having never spoken to me in my life
i am pissed. i really hope he busts, to us, to the big game, to
whoever, it doesnt matter... And russ i wasnt insulting you in my
reply, just pointing out that daniel continually attacked you for
posting cheating allegations without proof, then turns around and does
the exact same thing.
Date: 13 Feb 2009 14:56:56|
Subject: Re: Daniel N accuses Dreamclown of Cheating---Russ G
On Feb 13, 1:34=EF=BF=BDpm, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo > wrote:
> On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:15:51 -0800 (PST), "RussGeorg...@aol.com"
> <RussGeorg...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Well Daniel has accused me of cheating, and then offered an apology
> >that isnt really an apology. I could say a lot on this but i am pretty
> >angry so i will just post the exchanges. What an ambassador for poker
> >this guy is!
> Whatever happened to AssClown?
On Fri, 13 Feb 2009 00:15:51 -0800 (PST), "RussGeorgiev@aol.com"
Date: 13 Feb 2009 16:34:23|
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: Daniel N accuses Dreamclown of Cheating---Russ G
<RussGeorgiev@aol.com > wrote:
>Well Daniel has accused me of cheating, and then offered an apology
>that isnt really an apology. I could say a lot on this but i am pretty
>angry so i will just post the exchanges. What an ambassador for poker
>this guy is!
Whatever happened to AssClown?