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Date: 09 Dec 2008 13:21:37
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
"CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on
corruption charges on Tuesday, including trying to sell the U.S. Senate seat
vacated by fellow Democrat President-elect Barack Obama, federal prosecutors
said.
While Obama has long distanced himself from the governor -- who has been
under investigation on other issues for months -- Blagojevich's arrest was
likely to be an embarrassment to the president-elect, who takes office on
January 20
The case shines a light once again on old-style corruption in the Chicago
political caldron from which Obama emerged.
"The breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering," U.S.
Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, the federal prosecutor, said in a statement.
Blagojevich was also accused of threatening to withhold state assistance to
the Tribune Company in connection with the sale of the Chicago Cubs'
baseball home, Wrigley Field, in order "to induce the firing of Chicago
Tribune editorial board members sharply critical" of him.
The 51-year-old Blagojevich and his chief of staff, John Harris, were
charged in a federal complaint with conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud
and solicitation of bribery. Both were taken into custody at their homes in
Chicago.
In Illinois, the governor selects a successor when there is a mid-term
vacancy in the U.S. Senate. Obama resigned from the Senate soon after
winning the November 4 presidential election.
"FOR SALE" SIGN
In his statement, Fitzgerald said the charges "allege that Blagojevich put a
'for sale' sign on the naming of a United States senator; involved himself
personally in pay-to-play schemes with the urgency of a salesman meeting his
annual sales target; and corruptly used his office in an effort to trample
editorial voices of criticism."
Blagojevich allegedly was caught on court-authorized wiretaps during the
last month.
He was seeking a "substantial" salary for himself at a nonprofit foundation
or union affiliated organization, a spot on a corporate board for his wife,
promises of campaign cash, as well as a cabinet post or ambassadorship in
exchange for his Senate choice, an FBI affidavit said.
It was unclear what would happen now to the selection of a successor to
Obama, although the spot would be certain to go to a Democrat. Democrats,
with independent allies, will hold at least 58 seats in the 100-seat Senate
when the new Congress convenes in early January. A Minnesota Senate seat is
still undecided.
Blagojevich, in his second term, is the latest in a string of Illinois
governors to run afoul of the law. His immediate predecessor, George Ryan,
is in jail following a federal corruption conviction.
"Many, including myself, thought that the recent conviction of a former
governor would usher in a new era of honesty and reform in Illinois
politics," Robert D. Grant, Special Agent-in-Charge of the Chicago Office of
the Federal Bureau of Investigation, said in a statement.
"Clearly, the charges announced today reveal that the office of the Governor
has become nothing more than a vehicle for self-enrichment, unrestricted by
party affiliation and taking Illinois politics to a new low."
HEFTY PRISON TERM POSSIBLE
If Blagojevich is convicted, each mail and wire fraud charge carries a
maximum sentence of 20 years in prison while each bribery charge carries a
maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. Each count carries a maximum fine of
$250,000.
Blagojevich was born in Chicago to a working-class Serbian immigrant family,
working odd jobs and in a meatpacking plant to get through college. He was
elected to the Illinois state House in 1992 and later won a seat in the U.S.
Congress that had been held by another politician who ran afoul of the law,
Dan Rostenkowski.
He became Illinois' first Democratic governor in nearly 30 years when he
replaced Ryan in 2003, on a platform of reform. But his popularity has
descended to an all-time low after wrangles with fellow Democrats in the
state legislature, some of whom had threatened him with impeachment.
(Reporting by Michael Conlon and James Vicini, Kyle Peterson and Karen
Pierog in Chicago, Editing by Jackie Frank and Frances Kerry)"
Irish Mike
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Date: 11 Dec 2008 00:06:45
From: Lynx
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
Rod Blagojevich was disliked within his own party, was kept at arms length
by Obama, and was unpopular among the electorate. He's also a crook, as
well as a bit of a nutcase, and I'm glad he was busted, as are many
Democrats.
Some Republicans are attempting to take cheap shots in an attempt to
connect him with Obama, but I doubt it will fly. I don't think it will
have much effect on Obama's popularity one way or the other.
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Date: 11 Dec 2008 03:32:16
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Lynx" <a16a9@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:l9u616xcrd.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
>> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>
> Rod Blagojevich was disliked within his own party, was kept at arms length
> by Obama, and was unpopular among the electorate. He's also a crook, as
> well as a bit of a nutcase, and I'm glad he was busted, as are many
> Democrats.
>
> Some Republicans are attempting to take cheap shots in an attempt to
> connect him with Obama, but I doubt it will fly. I don't think it will
> have much effect on Obama's popularity one way or the other.
Nothing can touch The Messiah. But, just for the record, Obama campaigned
heavily for Blagojevich, even after his initial corruption charges and the
two were think as thieves (pun intended). Obama's own campaign manager
(Axelrod) said Obama had personal conversations with Blagojevich about who
would fill his vacant Senate seat. The fact that Obama lied about having
the conversation won't matter. Obama was also deeply involved with Tony
Rezko who was crooked as a cork screw in his own right, and was
Blagojevich's bag man and he got off scot free on that one too. Obama is up
to his neck in corrupt Chicago politics. Hell bucko, the Chicago Democrat
political machine created Obama. But the sad fact is, Obama is too big to
fail and there isn't any one in the liberal main stream media with the
balls, or interest, to investigate him any way.
Irish Mike
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 19:57:24
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Dec 9 2008 12:21 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>
> "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on
> corruption charges on Tuesday, including trying to sell the U.S. Senate seat
> vacated by fellow Democrat President-elect Barack Obama, federal prosecutors
> said.
>
> While Obama has long distanced himself from the governor -- who has been
> under investigation on other issues for months -- Blagojevich's arrest was
> likely to be an embarrassment to the president-elect, who takes office on
> January 20
>
> The case shines a light once again on old-style corruption in the Chicago
> political caldron from which Obama emerged.
>
> "The breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering," U.S.
> Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, the federal prosecutor, said in a statement.
>
> Blagojevich was also accused of threatening to withhold state assistance to
> the Tribune Company in connection with the sale of the Chicago Cubs'
> baseball home, Wrigley Field, in order "to induce the firing of Chicago
> Tribune editorial board members sharply critical" of him.
>
> The 51-year-old Blagojevich and his chief of staff, John Harris, were
> charged in a federal complaint with conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud
> and solicitation of bribery. Both were taken into custody at their homes in
> Chicago.
>
> In Illinois, the governor selects a successor when there is a mid-term
> vacancy in the U.S. Senate. Obama resigned from the Senate soon after
> winning the November 4 presidential election.
>
> "FOR SALE" SIGN
>
> In his statement, Fitzgerald said the charges "allege that Blagojevich put a
> 'for sale' sign on the naming of a United States senator; involved himself
> personally in pay-to-play schemes with the urgency of a salesman meeting his
> annual sales target; and corruptly used his office in an effort to trample
> editorial voices of criticism."
>
> Blagojevich allegedly was caught on court-authorized wiretaps during the
> last month.
>
> He was seeking a "substantial" salary for himself at a nonprofit foundation
> or union affiliated organization, a spot on a corporate board for his wife,
> promises of campaign cash, as well as a cabinet post or ambassadorship in
> exchange for his Senate choice, an FBI affidavit said.
>
> It was unclear what would happen now to the selection of a successor to
> Obama, although the spot would be certain to go to a Democrat. Democrats,
> with independent allies, will hold at least 58 seats in the 100-seat Senate
> when the new Congress convenes in early January. A Minnesota Senate seat is
> still undecided.
>
> Blagojevich, in his second term, is the latest in a string of Illinois
> governors to run afoul of the law. His immediate predecessor, George Ryan,
> is in jail following a federal corruption conviction.
>
> "Many, including myself, thought that the recent conviction of a former
> governor would usher in a new era of honesty and reform in Illinois
> politics," Robert D. Grant, Special Agent-in-Charge of the Chicago Office of
> the Federal Bureau of Investigation, said in a statement.
>
> "Clearly, the charges announced today reveal that the office of the Governor
> has become nothing more than a vehicle for self-enrichment, unrestricted by
> party affiliation and taking Illinois politics to a new low."
>
> HEFTY PRISON TERM POSSIBLE
>
> If Blagojevich is convicted, each mail and wire fraud charge carries a
> maximum sentence of 20 years in prison while each bribery charge carries a
> maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. Each count carries a maximum fine of
> $250,000.
>
> Blagojevich was born in Chicago to a working-class Serbian immigrant family,
> working odd jobs and in a meatpacking plant to get through college. He was
> elected to the Illinois state House in 1992 and later won a seat in the U.S.
> Congress that had been held by another politician who ran afoul of the law,
> Dan Rostenkowski.
>
> He became Illinois' first Democratic governor in nearly 30 years when he
> replaced Ryan in 2003, on a platform of reform. But his popularity has
> descended to an all-time low after wrangles with fellow Democrats in the
> state legislature, some of whom had threatened him with impeachment.
>
> (Reporting by Michael Conlon and James Vicini, Kyle Peterson and Karen
> Pierog in Chicago, Editing by Jackie Frank and Frances Kerry)"
>
>
>
> Irish Mike
yep .. now the score is like 75 -2 reps/dems
ONCE AGAIN I OFFER YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A LIST AND WE CAN COMPARE
DEMS/REPS AND THE JUSTICE SYSTEM
Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.
Voltaire
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 22:00:30
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Hankins wrote:
"
"Obama's a snake for not participating in fraud and corruption when
asked to
do so?"
............................................................
It is when the discussion is about a deal between Blab and Obama to get
Obama's choice appointed to his senate seat.
All we may know from the taped conversation is that Obama didn't like
the price of the deal; Blag wanted Health and Human Services and a job
for his wife (ambassador?) It doesn't mean Obama wasn't open to "making
a deal", or that a deal wasn't negotiated and then fell through.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 19:44:29
From: hanks
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Dec 9 2008 10:21 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>
> "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on
> corruption charges on Tuesday, including trying to sell the U.S. Senate seat
> vacated by fellow Democrat President-elect Barack Obama, federal prosecutors
> said.
>
> While Obama has long distanced himself from the governor -- who has been
> under investigation on other issues for months -- Blagojevich's arrest was
> likely to be an embarrassment to the president-elect, who takes office on
> January 20
>
> The case shines a light once again on old-style corruption in the Chicago
> political caldron from which Obama emerged.
>
> "The breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering," U.S.
> Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, the federal prosecutor, said in a statement.
>
> Blagojevich was also accused of threatening to withhold state assistance to
> the Tribune Company in connection with the sale of the Chicago Cubs'
> baseball home, Wrigley Field, in order "to induce the firing of Chicago
> Tribune editorial board members sharply critical" of him.
>
> The 51-year-old Blagojevich and his chief of staff, John Harris, were
> charged in a federal complaint with conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud
> and solicitation of bribery. Both were taken into custody at their homes in
> Chicago.
>
> In Illinois, the governor selects a successor when there is a mid-term
> vacancy in the U.S. Senate. Obama resigned from the Senate soon after
> winning the November 4 presidential election.
>
> "FOR SALE" SIGN
>
> In his statement, Fitzgerald said the charges "allege that Blagojevich put a
> 'for sale' sign on the naming of a United States senator; involved himself
> personally in pay-to-play schemes with the urgency of a salesman meeting his
> annual sales target; and corruptly used his office in an effort to trample
> editorial voices of criticism."
>
> Blagojevich allegedly was caught on court-authorized wiretaps during the
> last month.
>
> He was seeking a "substantial" salary for himself at a nonprofit foundation
> or union affiliated organization, a spot on a corporate board for his wife,
> promises of campaign cash, as well as a cabinet post or ambassadorship in
> exchange for his Senate choice, an FBI affidavit said.
>
> It was unclear what would happen now to the selection of a successor to
> Obama, although the spot would be certain to go to a Democrat. Democrats,
> with independent allies, will hold at least 58 seats in the 100-seat Senate
> when the new Congress convenes in early January. A Minnesota Senate seat is
> still undecided.
>
> Blagojevich, in his second term, is the latest in a string of Illinois
> governors to run afoul of the law. His immediate predecessor, George Ryan,
> is in jail following a federal corruption conviction.
>
> "Many, including myself, thought that the recent conviction of a former
> governor would usher in a new era of honesty and reform in Illinois
> politics," Robert D. Grant, Special Agent-in-Charge of the Chicago Office of
> the Federal Bureau of Investigation, said in a statement.
>
> "Clearly, the charges announced today reveal that the office of the Governor
> has become nothing more than a vehicle for self-enrichment, unrestricted by
> party affiliation and taking Illinois politics to a new low."
>
> HEFTY PRISON TERM POSSIBLE
>
> If Blagojevich is convicted, each mail and wire fraud charge carries a
> maximum sentence of 20 years in prison while each bribery charge carries a
> maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. Each count carries a maximum fine of
> $250,000.
>
> Blagojevich was born in Chicago to a working-class Serbian immigrant family,
> working odd jobs and in a meatpacking plant to get through college. He was
> elected to the Illinois state House in 1992 and later won a seat in the U.S.
> Congress that had been held by another politician who ran afoul of the law,
> Dan Rostenkowski.
>
> He became Illinois' first Democratic governor in nearly 30 years when he
> replaced Ryan in 2003, on a platform of reform. But his popularity has
> descended to an all-time low after wrangles with fellow Democrats in the
> state legislature, some of whom had threatened him with impeachment.
>
> (Reporting by Michael Conlon and James Vicini, Kyle Peterson and Karen
> Pierog in Chicago, Editing by Jackie Frank and Frances Kerry)"
>
>
>
> Irish Mike
Dear "NIGGER" Mike,
Thank you so much for sharing the daily news with us. We would never
consider watching TV, reading papers or political blogs to get the news.
We can only get the news from you.
And dear Mike, I would like to call to your attention the fact that this
man's crimes are nowhere as despicable as yiur pal W and his cronies
Pervasivly flouting every law,
ignoring congressional supboneas, ignoring Supreme court rulings, and
violating thr Geneva convention.
You Mike, reveal your stupidity with every post you make.
hanks
hanks
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 01:21:42
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"hanks" <acdf62f@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:thq316xosv.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 9 2008 10:21 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
>> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>>
>> "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on
>> corruption charges on Tuesday, including trying to sell the U.S. Senate
>> seat
>> vacated by fellow Democrat President-elect Barack Obama, federal
>> prosecutors
>> said.
>>
>> While Obama has long distanced himself from the governor -- who has been
>> under investigation on other issues for months -- Blagojevich's arrest
>> was
>> likely to be an embarrassment to the president-elect, who takes office on
>> January 20
>>
>> The case shines a light once again on old-style corruption in the Chicago
>> political caldron from which Obama emerged.
>>
>> "The breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering," U.S.
>> Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, the federal prosecutor, said in a statement.
>>
>> Blagojevich was also accused of threatening to withhold state assistance
>> to
>> the Tribune Company in connection with the sale of the Chicago Cubs'
>> baseball home, Wrigley Field, in order "to induce the firing of Chicago
>> Tribune editorial board members sharply critical" of him.
>>
>> The 51-year-old Blagojevich and his chief of staff, John Harris, were
>> charged in a federal complaint with conspiracy to commit mail and wire
>> fraud
>> and solicitation of bribery. Both were taken into custody at their homes
>> in
>> Chicago.
>>
>> In Illinois, the governor selects a successor when there is a mid-term
>> vacancy in the U.S. Senate. Obama resigned from the Senate soon after
>> winning the November 4 presidential election.
>>
>> "FOR SALE" SIGN
>>
>> In his statement, Fitzgerald said the charges "allege that Blagojevich
>> put a
>> 'for sale' sign on the naming of a United States senator; involved
>> himself
>> personally in pay-to-play schemes with the urgency of a salesman meeting
>> his
>> annual sales target; and corruptly used his office in an effort to
>> trample
>> editorial voices of criticism."
>>
>> Blagojevich allegedly was caught on court-authorized wiretaps during the
>> last month.
>>
>> He was seeking a "substantial" salary for himself at a nonprofit
>> foundation
>> or union affiliated organization, a spot on a corporate board for his
>> wife,
>> promises of campaign cash, as well as a cabinet post or ambassadorship in
>> exchange for his Senate choice, an FBI affidavit said.
>>
>> It was unclear what would happen now to the selection of a successor to
>> Obama, although the spot would be certain to go to a Democrat. Democrats,
>> with independent allies, will hold at least 58 seats in the 100-seat
>> Senate
>> when the new Congress convenes in early January. A Minnesota Senate seat
>> is
>> still undecided.
>>
>> Blagojevich, in his second term, is the latest in a string of Illinois
>> governors to run afoul of the law. His immediate predecessor, George
>> Ryan,
>> is in jail following a federal corruption conviction.
>>
>> "Many, including myself, thought that the recent conviction of a former
>> governor would usher in a new era of honesty and reform in Illinois
>> politics," Robert D. Grant, Special Agent-in-Charge of the Chicago Office
>> of
>> the Federal Bureau of Investigation, said in a statement.
>>
>> "Clearly, the charges announced today reveal that the office of the
>> Governor
>> has become nothing more than a vehicle for self-enrichment, unrestricted
>> by
>> party affiliation and taking Illinois politics to a new low."
>>
>> HEFTY PRISON TERM POSSIBLE
>>
>> If Blagojevich is convicted, each mail and wire fraud charge carries a
>> maximum sentence of 20 years in prison while each bribery charge carries
>> a
>> maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. Each count carries a maximum fine
>> of
>> $250,000.
>>
>> Blagojevich was born in Chicago to a working-class Serbian immigrant
>> family,
>> working odd jobs and in a meatpacking plant to get through college. He
>> was
>> elected to the Illinois state House in 1992 and later won a seat in the
>> U.S.
>> Congress that had been held by another politician who ran afoul of the
>> law,
>> Dan Rostenkowski.
>>
>> He became Illinois' first Democratic governor in nearly 30 years when he
>> replaced Ryan in 2003, on a platform of reform. But his popularity has
>> descended to an all-time low after wrangles with fellow Democrats in the
>> state legislature, some of whom had threatened him with impeachment.
>>
>> (Reporting by Michael Conlon and James Vicini, Kyle Peterson and Karen
>> Pierog in Chicago, Editing by Jackie Frank and Frances Kerry)"
>>
>>
>>
>> Irish Mike
>
> Dear "NIGGER" Mike,
Hanks, shouldn't you be home, cutting new eye holes in your sheet?
Irish Mike
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 22:10:18
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Clyde wrote:
"A big difference I see is that when a corrupt Democrat gets nailed,
pretty
much the entirety of the rest of the Democrats think it's a Good Thing
and
are happy to see him depart their ranks.
Corrupt Republican gets busted and the rest of the Republicans circle
the
wagons and make excuses. Mike is a prime example.
Jim"
.......................................................................
The truth is obviously the opposite.
Blag is toast and has been for sometime. He even goes against his own
party and is clearly a problem for the Democrats from the inside.
That's the only reason the left wing ilk isn't defending him.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 17:35:26
From: hanks
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Dec 9 2008 10:21 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>
> "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on
> corruption charges on Tuesday, including trying to sell the U.S. Senate seat
> vacated by fellow Democrat President-elect Barack Obama, federal prosecutors
> said.
>
> While Obama has long distanced himself from the governor -- who has been
> under investigation on other issues for months -- Blagojevich's arrest was
> likely to be an embarrassment to the president-elect, who takes office on
> January 20
>
> The case shines a light once again on old-style corruption in the Chicago
> political caldron from which Obama emerged.
>
> "The breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering," U.S.
> Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, the federal prosecutor, said in a statement.
>
> Blagojevich was also accused of threatening to withhold state assistance to
> the Tribune Company in connection with the sale of the Chicago Cubs'
> baseball home, Wrigley Field, in order "to induce the firing of Chicago
> Tribune editorial board members sharply critical" of him.
>
> The 51-year-old Blagojevich and his chief of staff, John Harris, were
> charged in a federal complaint with conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud
> and solicitation of bribery. Both were taken into custody at their homes in
> Chicago.
>
> In Illinois, the governor selects a successor when there is a mid-term
> vacancy in the U.S. Senate. Obama resigned from the Senate soon after
> winning the November 4 presidential election.
>
> "FOR SALE" SIGN
>
> In his statement, Fitzgerald said the charges "allege that Blagojevich put a
> 'for sale' sign on the naming of a United States senator; involved himself
> personally in pay-to-play schemes with the urgency of a salesman meeting his
> annual sales target; and corruptly used his office in an effort to trample
> editorial voices of criticism."
>
> Blagojevich allegedly was caught on court-authorized wiretaps during the
> last month.
>
> He was seeking a "substantial" salary for himself at a nonprofit foundation
> or union affiliated organization, a spot on a corporate board for his wife,
> promises of campaign cash, as well as a cabinet post or ambassadorship in
> exchange for his Senate choice, an FBI affidavit said.
>
> It was unclear what would happen now to the selection of a successor to
> Obama, although the spot would be certain to go to a Democrat. Democrats,
> with independent allies, will hold at least 58 seats in the 100-seat Senate
> when the new Congress convenes in early January. A Minnesota Senate seat is
> still undecided.
>
> Blagojevich, in his second term, is the latest in a string of Illinois
> governors to run afoul of the law. His immediate predecessor, George Ryan,
> is in jail following a federal corruption conviction.
>
> "Many, including myself, thought that the recent conviction of a former
> governor would usher in a new era of honesty and reform in Illinois
> politics," Robert D. Grant, Special Agent-in-Charge of the Chicago Office of
> the Federal Bureau of Investigation, said in a statement.
>
> "Clearly, the charges announced today reveal that the office of the Governor
> has become nothing more than a vehicle for self-enrichment, unrestricted by
> party affiliation and taking Illinois politics to a new low."
>
> HEFTY PRISON TERM POSSIBLE
>
> If Blagojevich is convicted, each mail and wire fraud charge carries a
> maximum sentence of 20 years in prison while each bribery charge carries a
> maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. Each count carries a maximum fine of
> $250,000.
>
> Blagojevich was born in Chicago to a working-class Serbian immigrant family,
> working odd jobs and in a meatpacking plant to get through college. He was
> elected to the Illinois state House in 1992 and later won a seat in the U.S.
> Congress that had been held by another politician who ran afoul of the law,
> Dan Rostenkowski.
>
> He became Illinois' first Democratic governor in nearly 30 years when he
> replaced Ryan in 2003, on a platform of reform. But his popularity has
> descended to an all-time low after wrangles with fellow Democrats in the
> state legislature, some of whom had threatened him with impeachment.
>
> (Reporting by Michael Conlon and James Vicini, Kyle Peterson and Karen
> Pierog in Chicago, Editing by Jackie Frank and Frances Kerry)"
>
>
>
> Irish Mike
What is your point? STOOPID!!!!
hanks
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 17:24:43
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:UGy%k.9685$c45.1653@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>
> "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on
> corruption charges on Tuesday, including trying to sell the U.S. Senate
> seat vacated by fellow Democrat President-elect Barack Obama, federal
> prosecutors said.
Did you read the part where Obama apparently refused to pay anything for the
appointment so Blagojevich said, "fuck them."
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 22:25:48
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net > wrote in message
news:07D%k.4579$uS1.2401@newsfe19.iad...
>
> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> news:UGy%k.9685$c45.1653@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
>> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>>
>> "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on
>> corruption charges on Tuesday, including trying to sell the U.S. Senate
>> seat vacated by fellow Democrat President-elect Barack Obama, federal
>> prosecutors said.
>
>
>
> Did you read the part where Obama apparently refused to pay anything for
> the appointment so Blagojevich said, "fuck them."
The idea that Obama resigned his Senate seat but had no conversations about
his replacement is about as likely as him sitting in Jeremiah Wright's pews
for 20 years and never hearing a racist, anti-American or anti-Semetic
comment. But the sad truth is, no one is going to lay a finger on The
Messiah. Obama and Blagojevich are both snakes. Obama is a big snake and
Blagojevich is a little snake. What happens in the real world when a big
snake and a little snake fight? Big snake eats little snake. Bye bye
Blagojevich.
Irish Mike
>
>
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 12:18:41
From: Patrick Karl
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Irish Mike wrote:
> "James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:07D%k.4579$uS1.2401@newsfe19.iad...
>> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>> news:UGy%k.9685$c45.1653@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
>>> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>>>
>>> "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on
>>> corruption charges on Tuesday, including trying to sell the U.S. Senate
>>> seat vacated by fellow Democrat President-elect Barack Obama, federal
>>> prosecutors said.
>>
>>
>> Did you read the part where Obama apparently refused to pay anything for
>> the appointment so Blagojevich said, "fuck them."
>
> The idea that Obama resigned his Senate seat but had no conversations about
> his replacement is about as likely as him sitting in Jeremiah Wright's pews
> for 20 years and never hearing a racist, anti-American or anti-Semetic
> comment. But the sad truth is, no one is going to lay a finger on The
> Messiah. Obama and Blagojevich are both snakes. Obama is a big snake and
> Blagojevich is a little snake. What happens in the real world when a big
> snake and a little snake fight? Big snake eats little snake. Bye bye
> Blagojevich.
And you're the biggest, slimiest, most racist snake of them all!
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 17:25:54
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
"Patrick Karl" <jpkarl@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:ghp161$ha8$1@news.motzarella.org...
> Irish Mike wrote:
>> "James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:07D%k.4579$uS1.2401@newsfe19.iad...
>>> "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net> wrote in message
>>> news:UGy%k.9685$c45.1653@nlpi065.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>>> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
>>>> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>>>>
>>>> "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on
>>>> corruption charges on Tuesday, including trying to sell the U.S. Senate
>>>> seat vacated by fellow Democrat President-elect Barack Obama, federal
>>>> prosecutors said.
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you read the part where Obama apparently refused to pay anything for
>>> the appointment so Blagojevich said, "fuck them."
>>
>> The idea that Obama resigned his Senate seat but had no conversations
>> about
>> his replacement is about as likely as him sitting in Jeremiah Wright's
>> pews
>> for 20 years and never hearing a racist, anti-American or anti-Semetic
>> comment. But the sad truth is, no one is going to lay a finger on The
>> Messiah. Obama and Blagojevich are both snakes. Obama is a big snake
>> and
>> Blagojevich is a little snake. What happens in the real world when a big
>> snake and a little snake fight? Big snake eats little snake. Bye bye
>> Blagojevich.
>
> And you're the biggest, slimiest, most racist snake of them all!
Translation: You don't have your head in the Obama kool aid bucket and I
hate you for it. When you point out how ridiculous it is for me to believe
that Obama sat in Jeremiah Wright's pews for 20 years and never heard a
racist, anti-American or anti-Semitic comment, it makes me realize I'm
stupid. And when you point out that one of Obama's own campaign workers did
a TV interview and said Obama did have a conversation with Blagojevich about
who should fill his vacant Senate seat, it forces me to realize that Obama
just got caught in another lie. I hate you for that and so I ignore these
facts and make a post saying you're a "big slimy snake".
Sorry for pointing out Obama's lies Patrick, and the fact that you believing
them makes you a brain dead idiot.
Irish Mike
Proud to be one of the 55,000,000+ Americans who did not vote for Obama.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 21:53:20
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:5FG%k.9926$be.2375@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
> The idea that Obama resigned his Senate seat but had no conversations
> about
> his replacement is about as likely as him sitting in Jeremiah Wright's
> pews
> for 20 years and never hearing a racist, anti-American or anti-Semetic
> comment.
What's wrong with Obama having conversations about his replacement in the
Senate?
>But the sad truth is, no one is going to lay a finger on The
> Messiah. Obama and Blagojevich are both snakes. Obama is a big snake
> and
> Blagojevich is a little snake. What happens in the real world when a big
> snake and a little snake fight? Big snake eats little snake. Bye bye
> Blagojevich.
Obama's a snake for not participating in fraud and corruption when asked to
do so?
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 15:05:12
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
In a conversation with Harris on November 11, the charges state,
Blagojevich said he knew that the President-elect wanted Senate
Candidate 1 for the open seat but "they're not willing to give me
anything except appreciation. Fuck them."
--from the statement of the prosecuting US attorney
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/12/feds_obama_wouldnt_play_ball_w.php
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 15:17:57
From: Kingo Gondo
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
His predecessor was a Republican. He's in federal prison now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Ryan
Seems like corruption is bipartisan there, and everywhere. But you are too
fucking stupid to realize that, I guess.
PS: Ryan was convicted; this clown has not yet even been tried.
Ass.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 12:19:37
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
On Dec 9 2008 11:21 AM, Irish Mike wrote:
> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>
> "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on
> corruption charges on Tuesday, including trying to sell the U.S. Senate seat
> vacated by fellow Democrat President-elect Barack Obama, federal prosecutors
> said.
>
> While Obama has long distanced himself from the governor -- who has been
> under investigation on other issues for months -- Blagojevich's arrest was
> likely to be an embarrassment to the president-elect, who takes office on
> January 20
>
> The case shines a light once again on old-style corruption in the Chicago
> political caldron from which Obama emerged.
>
> "The breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering," U.S.
> Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, the federal prosecutor, said in a statement.
>
> Blagojevich was also accused of threatening to withhold state assistance to
> the Tribune Company in connection with the sale of the Chicago Cubs'
> baseball home, Wrigley Field, in order "to induce the firing of Chicago
> Tribune editorial board members sharply critical" of him.
>
> The 51-year-old Blagojevich and his chief of staff, John Harris, were
> charged in a federal complaint with conspiracy to commit mail and wire fraud
> and solicitation of bribery. Both were taken into custody at their homes in
> Chicago.
>
> In Illinois, the governor selects a successor when there is a mid-term
> vacancy in the U.S. Senate. Obama resigned from the Senate soon after
> winning the November 4 presidential election.
>
> "FOR SALE" SIGN
>
> In his statement, Fitzgerald said the charges "allege that Blagojevich put a
> 'for sale' sign on the naming of a United States senator; involved himself
> personally in pay-to-play schemes with the urgency of a salesman meeting his
> annual sales target; and corruptly used his office in an effort to trample
> editorial voices of criticism."
>
> Blagojevich allegedly was caught on court-authorized wiretaps during the
> last month.
>
> He was seeking a "substantial" salary for himself at a nonprofit foundation
> or union affiliated organization, a spot on a corporate board for his wife,
> promises of campaign cash, as well as a cabinet post or ambassadorship in
> exchange for his Senate choice, an FBI affidavit said.
>
> It was unclear what would happen now to the selection of a successor to
> Obama, although the spot would be certain to go to a Democrat. Democrats,
> with independent allies, will hold at least 58 seats in the 100-seat Senate
> when the new Congress convenes in early January. A Minnesota Senate seat is
> still undecided.
>
> Blagojevich, in his second term, is the latest in a string of Illinois
> governors to run afoul of the law. His immediate predecessor, George Ryan,
> is in jail following a federal corruption conviction.
>
> "Many, including myself, thought that the recent conviction of a former
> governor would usher in a new era of honesty and reform in Illinois
> politics," Robert D. Grant, Special Agent-in-Charge of the Chicago Office of
> the Federal Bureau of Investigation, said in a statement.
>
> "Clearly, the charges announced today reveal that the office of the Governor
> has become nothing more than a vehicle for self-enrichment, unrestricted by
> party affiliation and taking Illinois politics to a new low."
>
> HEFTY PRISON TERM POSSIBLE
>
> If Blagojevich is convicted, each mail and wire fraud charge carries a
> maximum sentence of 20 years in prison while each bribery charge carries a
> maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. Each count carries a maximum fine of
> $250,000.
>
> Blagojevich was born in Chicago to a working-class Serbian immigrant family,
> working odd jobs and in a meatpacking plant to get through college. He was
> elected to the Illinois state House in 1992 and later won a seat in the U.S.
> Congress that had been held by another politician who ran afoul of the law,
> Dan Rostenkowski.
>
> He became Illinois' first Democratic governor in nearly 30 years when he
> replaced Ryan in 2003, on a platform of reform. But his popularity has
> descended to an all-time low after wrangles with fellow Democrats in the
> state legislature, some of whom had threatened him with impeachment.
>
> (Reporting by Michael Conlon and James Vicini, Kyle Peterson and Karen
> Pierog in Chicago, Editing by Jackie Frank and Frances Kerry)"
>
>
>
> Irish Mike
The annoying thing isn't your right talking-points-esque slant on things -
which I find amusing, especially the reactions to it by a few of the more
vocal libs on here - it's that you keep starting threads when there are
other perfectly good threads on the EXACT SAME SUBJECT that came before
yours. You could confine your discussion in there. In fact you did post in
the other thread, and then started a new one. Knock this shit off Mike.
--
"Actually, I will read Jason's posts too. He's smart also." - Paul
Popinjay, 10/21/2007 (http://tinyurl.com/4bggyp)
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 13:05:49
From: BillB
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
"Jason Pawloski" <a6794a4@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:pf0316xdns.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Knock this shit off Mike.
uhhhh...who are you again?
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 13:34:39
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
On Dec 9 2008 2:05 PM, BillB wrote:
> "Jason Pawloski" <a6794a4@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:pf0316xdns.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> > Knock this shit off Mike.
>
> uhhhh...who are you again?
I don't know what your point is but just get to it. If you're going to get
on my case because I insulted your BFF ruy lopez, then just let me know so
I can k/f you. Thanks.
--
"Actually, I will read Jason's posts too. He's smart also." - Paul
Popinjay, 10/21/2007 (http://tinyurl.com/4bggyp)
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 14:07:58
From: BillB
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
"Jason Pawloski" <a6794a4@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:fs4316xm9t.ln2@recgroups.com...
> I don't know what your point is but just get to it. If you're going to get
> on my case because I insulted your BFF ruy lopez, then just let me know so
> I can k/f you. Thanks.
I thought my point was pretty clear. As a nobody you are in no position to
tell a charter member what to do. Now please killfile me. You are too stupid
to understand most of my posts anyway. Bye.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 14:30:57
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
On Dec 9 2008 3:07 PM, BillB wrote:
> "Jason Pawloski" <a6794a4@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:fs4316xm9t.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> > I don't know what your point is but just get to it. If you're going to get
> > on my case because I insulted your BFF ruy lopez, then just let me know so
> > I can k/f you. Thanks.
>
> I thought my point was pretty clear. As a nobody you are in no position to
> tell a charter member what to do. Now please killfile me. You are too stupid
> to understand most of my posts anyway. Bye.
A "nobody" on RGP! A charter member! A whole caste system!!!! WOW!
But yeah, you're k/f. HAND.
--
"Actually, I will read Jason's posts too. He's smart also." - Paul
Popinjay, 10/21/2007 (http://tinyurl.com/4bggyp)
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 14:47:47
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
On Dec 9 2008 5:30 PM, Jason Pawloski wrote:
> On Dec 9 2008 3:07 PM, BillB wrote:
>
> > "Jason Pawloski" <a6794a4@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:fs4316xm9t.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >
> > > I don't know what your point is but just get to it. If you're going to
get
> > > on my case because I insulted your BFF ruy lopez, then just let me know
so
> > > I can k/f you. Thanks.
> >
> > I thought my point was pretty clear. As a nobody you are in no position to
> > tell a charter member what to do. Now please killfile me. You are too
stupid
> > to understand most of my posts anyway. Bye.
>
> A "nobody" on RGP! A charter member! A whole caste system!!!! WOW!
>
There has been a caste system on the internet since at least 1971 (when I
had my first involvement to the internet). Probably before that.
Are you just now discovering that?
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 16:45:10
From: pokertoker
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
"Jason Pawloski" <a6794a4@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:168316x5mt.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 9 2008 3:07 PM, BillB wrote:
>
> >
> > I thought my point was pretty clear. As a nobody you are in no position
to
> > tell a charter member what to do. Now please killfile me. You are too
stupid
> > to understand most of my posts anyway. Bye.
>
> A "nobody" on RGP! A charter member! A whole caste system!!!! WOW!
>
> But yeah, you're k/f. HAND.
>
LOL - just now? eh. He's just another Canadian but that whole nobody vs.
charter member k00kyness is priceless. The fact that some of these
cocksuckers actually feel that way is bizarre - obviously this thing means
more to them than can be considered healthy. That moronphy tries to pull
that crap is just pathetic. BB has been in my kf forever - moronphy only
recently but I had been waiting ever sense he first showed up back in 0 or
so.
--
Duncan McPT - Highlander,
"It is no measure of good health to be well-adjusted in a profoundly sick
society."
Krishnamurti
--
I'll wager (bet,) that Obama is still the President three years from now.
You game, (seeks agreement,) wingnut?
James Hankins, 11-20-08
*
How much - I'm down for $ 1,000.00 (agreement). You down ? (seeks amount.)
Pokertoker, 11-21-08
*
LOL...a bet with an anonymous troll. Oddly enough, I think Travel would
actually pay if he made such a bet. You're just a wisp of smoke. (Welched
on obligation.)
James Hankins, 11-21-08
*
Welch:
welch (wělsh, wělch) Pronunciation Key
intr.v. welshed also welched, welsh·ing also welch·ing, welsh·es also
welch·es Informal
1. To swindle a person by not paying a debt or wager.
2. To fail to fulfill an obligation.
FellKnight, 12-9-08
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 12:00:08
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
IMike, the more you open your mouth, the more ignorant you seem. You
pick a crooked Democratic politician. Hell, every week or less a
crooked politician is nailed.Yet, you choose only the Democrats? The
Republicans are just as crooked as the Democrats, as larceny has is
everywhere and no country, group, nation, person or other body has a
monopoly on it.
On Dec 9, 10:21=EF=BF=BDam, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>
> "CHICAGO (Reuters) - Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich was arrested on
> corruption charges on Tuesday, including trying to sell the U.S. Senate s=
eat
> vacated by fellow Democrat President-elect Barack Obama, federal prosecut=
ors
> said.
>
> While Obama has long distanced himself from the governor -- who has been
> under investigation on other issues for months -- Blagojevich's arrest wa=
s
> likely to be an embarrassment to the president-elect, who takes office on
> January 20
>
> The case shines a light once again on old-style corruption in the Chicago
> political caldron from which Obama emerged.
>
> "The breadth of corruption laid out in these charges is staggering," U.S.
> Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, the federal prosecutor, said in a statement.
>
> Blagojevich was also accused of threatening to withhold state assistance =
to
> the Tribune Company in connection with the sale of the Chicago Cubs'
> baseball home, Wrigley Field, in order "to induce the firing of Chicago
> Tribune editorial board members sharply critical" of him.
>
> The 51-year-old Blagojevich and his chief of staff, John Harris, were
> charged in a federal complaint with conspiracy to commit mail and wire fr=
aud
> and solicitation of bribery. Both were taken into custody at their homes =
in
> Chicago.
>
> In Illinois, the governor selects a successor when there is a mid-term
> vacancy in the U.S. Senate. Obama resigned from the Senate soon after
> winning the November 4 presidential election.
>
> "FOR SALE" SIGN
>
> In his statement, Fitzgerald said the charges "allege that Blagojevich pu=
t a
> 'for sale' sign on the naming of a United States senator; involved himsel=
f
> personally in pay-to-play schemes with the urgency of a salesman meeting =
his
> annual sales target; and corruptly used his office in an effort to trampl=
e
> editorial voices of criticism."
>
> Blagojevich allegedly was caught on court-authorized wiretaps during the
> last month.
>
> He was seeking a "substantial" salary for himself at a nonprofit foundati=
on
> or union affiliated organization, a spot on a corporate board for his wif=
e,
> promises of campaign cash, as well as a cabinet post or ambassadorship in
> exchange for his Senate choice, an FBI affidavit said.
>
> It was unclear what would happen now to the selection of a successor to
> Obama, although the spot would be certain to go to a Democrat. Democrats,
> with independent allies, will hold at least 58 seats in the 100-seat Sena=
te
> when the new Congress convenes in early January. A Minnesota Senate seat =
is
> still undecided.
>
> Blagojevich, in his second term, is the latest in a string of Illinois
> governors to run afoul of the law. His immediate predecessor, George Ryan=
,
> is in jail following a federal corruption conviction.
>
> "Many, including myself, thought that the recent conviction of a former
> governor would usher in a new era of honesty and reform in Illinois
> politics," Robert D. Grant, Special Agent-in-Charge of the Chicago Office=
of
> the Federal Bureau of Investigation, said in a statement.
>
> "Clearly, the charges announced today reveal that the office of the Gover=
nor
> has become nothing more than a vehicle for self-enrichment, unrestricted =
by
> party affiliation and taking Illinois politics to a new low."
>
> HEFTY PRISON TERM POSSIBLE
>
> If Blagojevich is convicted, each mail and wire fraud charge carries a
> maximum sentence of 20 years in prison while each bribery charge carries =
a
> maximum sentence of 10 years in prison. Each count carries a maximum fine=
of
> $250,000.
>
> Blagojevich was born in Chicago to a working-class Serbian immigrant fami=
ly,
> working odd jobs and in a meatpacking plant to get through college. He wa=
s
> elected to the Illinois state House in 1992 and later won a seat in the U=
.S.
> Congress that had been held by another politician who ran afoul of the la=
w,
> Dan Rostenkowski.
>
> He became Illinois' first Democratic governor in nearly 30 years when he
> replaced Ryan in 2003, on a platform of reform. But his popularity has
> descended to an all-time low after wrangles with fellow Democrats in the
> state legislature, some of whom had threatened him with impeachment.
>
> (Reporting by Michael Conlon and James Vicini, Kyle Peterson and Karen
> Pierog in Chicago, Editing by Jackie Frank and Frances Kerry)"
>
> Irish Mike
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 22:25:00
From:
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
On Dec 9, 5:50=A0pm, ramashiva <ramash...@earthlink.net > wrote:
> On Dec 9, 3:29=A0pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:ulA%k.4556$uS1.2412@newsfe19.iad...
>
> > > <RussGeorg...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > >news:21130aab-aee4-4bb0-82ff-bcaf8429cc16@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com=
...
> > >>IMike, the more you open your mouth, the more ignorant you seem. You
> > > pick a crooked Democratic politician. Hell, every week or less a
> > >>crooked politician is nailed.Yet, you choose only the Democrats? The
> > > Republicans are just as crooked as the Democrats, as larceny has is
> > >>everywhere and no country, group, nation, person or other body has a
> > > monopoly on it.
>
> > > You are absolutely correct Russ, however someone has to counter orang=
ies
> > > "Guess which party" posts
>
> > The real story here is that Blagojevich apparently wanted to sell the
> > appointment to the Senate and even though Obama had a favorite for the =
seat,
> > Obama refused to play ball.
>
> Well, there is also a problem if Obama knew Blagojevich was trying to
> sell the Senate seat and did not report it to federal authorities.
>
> Isn't that some kind of crime?
>
> William Coleman =A0(ramashiva)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Not to sound naive, I may be alot of things that NOT being one of
them, I'm guessing he already figured the Feds were looking into Blago
and to just let the little shitstain eventually hang himself with his
own rope.
I welcome you to the colorful, magical, wonderful world of Illinois/
Chicago politics...which BTW ladies and gentlemen makes the corrupt,
cheating, swindling, scamming, scumsucking vermin that infest(ed) the
poker world look like the Vienna bous choir!
Yes Russ and Ramashiva :).... it really IS more corrupt than poker
ever could be. I know you have a hell of alot more experience than me,
but I DO stick by this statement.
Blago, Todd Stroger and ESPECIALLY King Ritchie Daley plus numerous
others dwarf Chip, Doyle and the rest when it comes to corruption and
UH-HUM "mafia". :)
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 06:36:27
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
<sstheg@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:07a09272-4b18-4871-9502-fa4c8d2a18ed@a12g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
>Not to sound naive, I may be alot of things that NOT being one of
>them, I'm guessing he already figured the Feds were looking into Blago
>and to just let the little shitstain eventually hang himself with his
>own rope.
The problem with that, from what I've read here and elsewhere, is that he
could have already sold the seat and still could. I have no clue what would
have happened had the seat already gone to the highest bidder.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 22:15:46
From: Clave
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
<RussGeorgiev@aol.com > wrote in message
news:21130aab-aee4-4bb0-82ff-bcaf8429cc16@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
> IMike, the more you open your mouth, the more ignorant you seem. You
> pick a crooked Democratic politician. Hell, every week or less a
> crooked politician is nailed.Yet, you choose only the Democrats? The
> Republicans are just as crooked as the Democrats, as larceny has is
> everywhere and no country, group, nation, person or other body has a
> monopoly on it.
A big difference I see is that when a corrupt Democrat gets nailed, pretty
much the entirety of the rest of the Democrats think it's a Good Thing and
are happy to see him depart their ranks.
Corrupt Republican gets busted and the rest of the Republicans circle the
wagons and make excuses. Mike is a prime example.
Jim
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 15:50:20
From: ramashiva
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
|
On Dec 9, 3:29=A0pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net > wrote:
> "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>
> news:ulA%k.4556$uS1.2412@newsfe19.iad...
>
>
>
> > <RussGeorg...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:21130aab-aee4-4bb0-82ff-bcaf8429cc16@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com..=
.
> >>IMike, the more you open your mouth, the more ignorant you seem. You
> > pick a crooked Democratic politician. Hell, every week or less a
> >>crooked politician is nailed.Yet, you choose only the Democrats? The
> > Republicans are just as crooked as the Democrats, as larceny has is
> >>everywhere and no country, group, nation, person or other body has a
> > monopoly on it.
>
> > You are absolutely correct Russ, however someone has to counter orangie=
s
> > "Guess which party" posts
>
> The real story here is that Blagojevich apparently wanted to sell the
> appointment to the Senate and even though Obama had a favorite for the se=
at,
> Obama refused to play ball.
Well, there is also a problem if Obama knew Blagojevich was trying to
sell the Senate seat and did not report it to federal authorities.
Isn't that some kind of crime?
William Coleman (ramashiva)
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 12:07:54
From: Patrick Karl
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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ramashiva wrote:
> On Dec 9, 3:29 pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net> wrote:
>> "Susan" <sdbrat...@netscape.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:ulA%k.4556$uS1.2412@newsfe19.iad...
>>
>>
>>
>>> <RussGeorg...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:21130aab-aee4-4bb0-82ff-bcaf8429cc16@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>>> IMike, the more you open your mouth, the more ignorant you seem. You
>>> pick a crooked Democratic politician. Hell, every week or less a
>>>> crooked politician is nailed.Yet, you choose only the Democrats? The
>>> Republicans are just as crooked as the Democrats, as larceny has is
>>>> everywhere and no country, group, nation, person or other body has a
>>> monopoly on it.
>>> You are absolutely correct Russ, however someone has to counter orangies
>>> "Guess which party" posts
>> The real story here is that Blagojevich apparently wanted to sell the
>> appointment to the Senate and even though Obama had a favorite for the seat,
>> Obama refused to play ball.
>
> Well, there is also a problem if Obama knew Blagojevich was trying to
> sell the Senate seat and did not report it to federal authorities.
>
> Isn't that some kind of crime?
What? You don't know? But you're willing to accuse Obama of it anyway?
And you have evidence? Why are you hiding it?
Don't you have something more constructive you could be doing?
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 12:23:28
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Patrick Karl" <jpkarl@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> Don't you have something more constructive you could be doing?
well thats 2 of us who you have asked the question of - maybe you should
look in the mirror?
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 18:35:04
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"ramashiva" <ramashiva@earthlink.net > wrote in message
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Well, there is also a problem if Obama knew Blagojevich was trying to
sell the Senate seat and did not report it to federal authorities.
Isn't that some kind of crime?
Knowing but not reporting? I don't see anything criminal there.
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 21:20:31
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"James L. Hankins" Usenet Poster
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..
Well, there is also a problem if Obama knew Blagojevich was trying to
sell the Senate seat and did not report it to federal authorities.
Isn't that some kind of crime?
"Knowing but not reporting? I don't see anything criminal there."
....................................................................
Obama already lied to the American people on national TV by his denial
of being in contact with Blag. (Axelrod said that he WAS in contact)
If Obama is asked the same question by investigators and he lies again,
to them, it's perjury. It's even more blatant than the Scooter Libby
situation.
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 23:04:53
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Travel" <nine510@webtv.net > wrote in message
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> "James L. Hankins" Usenet Poster
> jhankins5@cox.net Post #24 of 60 (2 views) Copy Shortcut Dec 9, 2008,
> 7:35 PM
> Re: Crooked Democrat nailed! Reply
>
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>
>
> "ramashiva" <ramashiva@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:993940d9-8426-497d-a22d-e37b1a3553aa@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com.
> ..
>
>
> Well, there is also a problem if Obama knew Blagojevich was trying to
> sell the Senate seat and did not report it to federal authorities.
>
> Isn't that some kind of crime?
>
>
>
>
> "Knowing but not reporting? I don't see anything criminal there."
>
> ....................................................................
>
> Obama already lied to the American people on national TV by his denial
> of being in contact with Blag. (Axelrod said that he WAS in contact)
>
> If Obama is asked the same question by investigators and he lies again,
> to them, it's perjury. It's even more blatant than the Scooter Libby
> situation.
No shit? I bet Obama never thought of that. I better send him an e-mail so
he won't fall into that trap.
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Date: 12 Dec 2008 13:17:48
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:04:53 -0600, "James L. Hankins"
<jhankins5@cox.net > wrote:
>> Obama already lied to the American people on national TV by his denial
>> of being in contact with Blag. (Axelrod said that he WAS in contact)
>>
>> If Obama is asked the same question by investigators and he lies again,
>> to them, it's perjury. It's even more blatant than the Scooter Libby
>> situation.
>
>No shit? I bet Obama never thought of that. I better send him an e-mail so
>he won't fall into that trap.
Pssst...lying to investigators isn't perjury, but don't tell Travel.
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Date: 12 Dec 2008 18:50:25
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid > wrote in message
news:06l5k4dm0pmd2se16a6260i0hu8gefe7bf@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:04:53 -0600, "James L. Hankins"
> <jhankins5@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>> Obama already lied to the American people on national TV by his denial
>>> of being in contact with Blag. (Axelrod said that he WAS in contact)
>>>
>>> If Obama is asked the same question by investigators and he lies again,
>>> to them, it's perjury. It's even more blatant than the Scooter Libby
>>> situation.
>>
>
>>No shit? I bet Obama never thought of that. I better send him an e-mail
>>so
>>he won't fall into that trap.
>
> Pssst...lying to investigators isn't perjury, but don't tell Travel.
Not perjury, but lying to law enforcement agents during investigations is a
crime. That's just one reason why no one with a brain would ever make any
statement to law enforcement other than, "I want to consult with a lawyer
before I make any statement."
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Date: 12 Dec 2008 22:50:09
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Pssst, don't tell PeePee Baboon that he's a retard, he doesn't know it.
Scooter Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice that
stemmed from lying to investigators.
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 01:32:05
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:50:09 -0600, Travel <nine510@webtv.net > wrote:
>Pssst, don't tell PeePee Baboon that he's a retard, he doesn't know it.
Pssss...don't tell Travel that I'm vastly more intelligent than he is,
although that's not really saying much.
>Scooter Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice that
>stemmed from lying to investigators.
PERJURY - When a person, having taken an oath before a competent
tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in which a law of the U.S.
authorizes an oath to be administered, that he will testify, declare,
depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration,
deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and
contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which
he does not believe to be true; or in any declaration, certificate,
verification, or statement under penalty of perjury, willfully
subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be
true; 18 USC
In order for a person to be found guilty
of perjury the government must prove: the person testified under oath
before [e.g., the grand jury]; at least one particular statement was
false; and the person knew at the time the testimony was false.
http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p032.htm
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 14:30:03
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Pepe Papon Usenet Poster
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:50:09 -0600, Travel <nine510@webtv.net > wrote:
>Pssst, don't tell PeePee Baboon that he's a retard, he doesn't know
it.
"Pssss...don't tell Travel that I'm vastly more intelligent than he is,
although that's not really saying much."
There's the Joke of The Month. You're not even slightly more
intelligent than the dumbest of swamp baboons.
You're merely a gay, Googling twerp.
I meant that lying to investigators would lead to perjury as it did
with Scooter Libby. That's how it could play out. If Obama lied to
investigators and then repeated it under oath at trial, it's perjury.
>Scooter Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice that
>stemmed from lying to investigators.
"PERJURY - When a person, having taken an oath before a competent
tribunal......"
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Date: 14 Dec 2008 00:46:03
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:30:03 -0600, Travel <nine510@webtv.net > wrote:
>Pepe Papon Usenet Poster
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>On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:50:09 -0600, Travel <nine510@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>>Pssst, don't tell PeePee Baboon that he's a retard, he doesn't know
>it.
>
>
>"Pssss...don't tell Travel that I'm vastly more intelligent than he is,
>
>although that's not really saying much."
>
>There's the Joke of The Month. You're not even slightly more
>intelligent than the dumbest of swamp baboons.
That you could think so is merely another sign of your own stupidity.
>You're merely a gay, Googling twerp.
>
>I meant that lying to investigators would lead to perjury as it did
>with Scooter Libby. That's how it could play out. If Obama lied to
>investigators and then repeated it under oath at trial, it's perjury.
Oh, is that what you meant? Funny, because that's not what you said.
How intelligent of you.
>>Scooter Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice that
>
>>stemmed from lying to investigators.
>
>"PERJURY - When a person, having taken an oath before a competent
>tribunal......"
>
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 15:20:07
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Of course, in the case of Scooter Libby, he was a main focus of the
investigation. The investigators were looking to nail Libby wih
anything because he was a primary target.
In the case of just an ordinary person who they're questioning, you can
just say that you don't know anything about it. Nothing will happen.
Perjury charges are actually pretty rare, even for people who are
called to the stand and are shown to be inconsistent.
For perjury charges to be brought, it really has to have to do with a
very important, substantive part of the case.
Look at the example of Kato Kalin. He was an on-site witnesss and
pretty much lied about all he did know, but nothing happened with
regard to charging Kalin; because there was nothing in it for the
prosecutors to go after Kalin.
Kalin could have just about denied knowing anything and nothing would
happen to him. It was actually surprising that he talked as much as he
did. From Kalin's point of view, he should have just kept his mouth
shut, completely. But then, he's not the brightest guy in the world,
either.
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 16:05:43
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 15:20:07 -0600, Travel <nine510@webtv.net > wrote:
>Of course, in the case of Scooter Libby, he was a main focus of the
>investigation. The investigators were looking to nail Libby wih
>anything because he was a primary target.
>
You need to do some serious research on the Great Plame Kerfuffle.
The entire investigation was set up to find out who outed Plame's
identity to Robert Novak.
At the beginning, Libby was most definitely NOT the primary target.
The Target/Targets were anyone in the Bush Administration who could
have done the Dirty Deed.
Karl Rove was the most desirable scapegoat.
Leftists were positively salivating at the thought of Rove
"frogmarched" off the scene.
Very early on in the investigation, Fitzgerald KNEW that the outer in
question happened to be one Richard Armitage, whose superior was none
other than Colin Powell.
Both of them STFU during the entire investigation.
Fitzgerald continued on until he found someone to convict of
something, anything, namely one Scooter Libby, who lied to Federal
investigators about some aspect of the case.
That is the only conviction that Fitzgerald was able to get.
Just to repeat, it was not Perjury (Lying to a Jury), it was about
lying to Federal investigators (A crime in itself.)
Why an experienced lawyer like Libby would have made that mistake is
still a mystery.
James Hankins was absolutely correct when he told you that.
HonestTaGawd, Travel.
Seriously, you need to do your Due Diligence and get your facts
straight before you blather on.
>In the case of just an ordinary person who they're questioning, you can
>just say that you don't know anything about it. Nothing will happen.
>Perjury charges are actually pretty rare, even for people who are
>called to the stand and are shown to be inconsistent.
>
>For perjury charges to be brought, it really has to have to do with a
>very important, substantive part of the case.
>
Scooter Libby was NOT convicted of perjury.
(Sorry to pummel a deceased equine here.)
>Look at the example of Kato Kalin. He was an on-site witnesss and
>pretty much lied about all he did know, but nothing happened with
>regard to charging Kalin; because there was nothing in it for the
>prosecutors to go after Kalin.
>
>Kalin could have just about denied knowing anything and nothing would
>happen to him. It was actually surprising that he talked as much as he
>did. From Kalin's point of view, he should have just kept his mouth
>shut, completely. But then, he's not the brightest guy in the world,
>either.
>
And you ain't, either.
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 19:30:09
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Turbotard, you're a complete idiot. You wrote that ridiculous rant as
if you were correcting my statements and you ended up stating exactly
what I stated.
What I stated was true. Libby was a target. What the fuck could be your
problem? And Hankins didn't tell me anything, in fact he agreed with
what I intiated.
You seem to be in a jealous rage Turbotard. You're jealous of my posts
you dumb fuck; that's obviously it. lol
Are you a mental case?
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 19:55:44
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:30:09 -0600, Travel <nine510@webtv.net > wrote:
>Turbotard, you're a complete idiot. You wrote that ridiculous rant as
>if you were correcting my statements and you ended up stating exactly
>what I stated.
>
Did you, or did you not write that "The investigators were looking to
nail Libby with anything because he was a primary target."?
>What I stated was true. Libby was a target. What the fuck could be your
>problem? And Hankins didn't tell me anything, in fact he agreed with
>what I intiated.
You're just flat out wrong.
Libby was not a "primary target".
Don't try to weasel out of it by claiming he was only "a target".
There are already enough Liberal Weasels here to go around.
Furthermore.
Hankins was absolutely correct when he pointed out that Libby was not
convicted of Perjury.
Libby was NOT convicted of that particular crime.
Libby was convicted of lying to a Federal investigator.
You were just flat out wrong.
>
>You seem to be in a jealous rage Turbotard. You're jealous of my posts
>you dumb fuck; that's obviously it. lol
>
It pains me to see a self-proclaimed Conservative get basic facts so
obviously wrong, and then play Mr. Bluster when caught at it.
>Are you a mental case?
>
No.
And you?
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Date: 14 Dec 2008 00:49:32
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:55:44 -0600, FL Turbo <noemail@notime.com >
wrote:
>It pains me to see a self-proclaimed Conservative get basic facts so
>obviously wrong, and then play Mr. Bluster when caught at it.
Then you must experience a great deal of agony if you read a lot of
Travel's posts.
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Date: 14 Dec 2008 02:02:51
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com > wrote in message
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> On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 19:30:09 -0600, Travel <nine510@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>>Turbotard, you're a complete idiot. You wrote that ridiculous rant as
>>if you were correcting my statements and you ended up stating exactly
>>what I stated.
>>
>
> Did you, or did you not write that "The investigators were looking to
> nail Libby with anything because he was a primary target."?
Turbo, Travel is a right wing nut bag.
He's got no interest in honesty, or truth, fact, or most likely scenarios.
He cares about his philosophy, regardless.
If he were a left wing nut bag you'd skewer him without mercy.
Why should he be exempt if you occasionally share his view?
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 21:10:07
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Unbelievable, lol.
Sorry, I don't talk to crazy people. You'll just have to form an
anti-Travel caucus for mental cases and go fuck yourselves, lol.
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 12:23:16
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid > wrote in message
news:c507k4de34dd9f9jvauts7uedkces8tbfj@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:50:09 -0600, Travel <nine510@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>>Pssst, don't tell PeePee Baboon that he's a retard, he doesn't know it.
>
> Pssss...don't tell Travel that I'm vastly more intelligent than he is,
> although that's not really saying much.
>
>>Scooter Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice that
>>stemmed from lying to investigators.
>
> PERJURY - When a person, having taken an oath before a competent
> tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in which a law of the U.S.
> authorizes an oath to be administered, that he will testify, declare,
> depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration,
> deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and
> contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which
> he does not believe to be true; or in any declaration, certificate,
> verification, or statement under penalty of perjury, willfully
> subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be
> true; 18 USC
>
> In order for a person to be found guilty
> of perjury the government must prove: the person testified under oath
> before [e.g., the grand jury]; at least one particular statement was
> false; and the person knew at the time the testimony was false.
>
> http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p032.htm
You're missing the point, at least the point Travel was making. Perjury is
when the person is placed under oath and lies to a court or other person in
a proceeding (as you have listed).
The lying to a law enforcement officer is different. If an FBI agent comes
to your house and wants to question you about something and you give a
statement wherein you lie, it's a crime, but it's not perjury (because you
are not placed under oath). It's more along the lines of obstruction of
justice, but like I said, the best course is to say nothing other than you
want to speak to an attorney.
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Date: 14 Dec 2008 00:41:24
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:23:16 -0600, "James L. Hankins"
<jhankins5@cox.net > wrote:
>
>"Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
>news:c507k4de34dd9f9jvauts7uedkces8tbfj@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 22:50:09 -0600, Travel <nine510@webtv.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Pssst, don't tell PeePee Baboon that he's a retard, he doesn't know it.
>>
>> Pssss...don't tell Travel that I'm vastly more intelligent than he is,
>> although that's not really saying much.
>>
>>>Scooter Libby was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice that
>>>stemmed from lying to investigators.
>>
>> PERJURY - When a person, having taken an oath before a competent
>> tribunal, officer, or person, in any case in which a law of the U.S.
>> authorizes an oath to be administered, that he will testify, declare,
>> depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration,
>> deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and
>> contrary to such oath states or subscribes any material matter which
>> he does not believe to be true; or in any declaration, certificate,
>> verification, or statement under penalty of perjury, willfully
>> subscribes as true any material matter which he does not believe to be
>> true; 18 USC
>>
>> In order for a person to be found guilty
>> of perjury the government must prove: the person testified under oath
>> before [e.g., the grand jury]; at least one particular statement was
>> false; and the person knew at the time the testimony was false.
>>
>> http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/p032.htm
>
>
>
>
>You're missing the point, at least the point Travel was making. Perjury is
>when the person is placed under oath and lies to a court or other person in
>a proceeding (as you have listed).
Not at all. Travel specifically said "perjury", and then resorted to
his usual preschool retorts when I corrected him.
>The lying to a law enforcement officer is different. If an FBI agent comes
>to your house and wants to question you about something and you give a
>statement wherein you lie, it's a crime, but it's not perjury (because you
>are not placed under oath). It's more along the lines of obstruction of
>justice, but like I said, the best course is to say nothing other than you
>want to speak to an attorney.
>
I agree completely with this. But then again, unlike Travel, you
tend to speak reasonably, coherently, and accurately.
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Date: 12 Dec 2008 23:01:28
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net > wrote in message
news:lFD0l.1$jr1.0@newsfe05.iad...
>
> "Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:06l5k4dm0pmd2se16a6260i0hu8gefe7bf@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:04:53 -0600, "James L. Hankins"
>> <jhankins5@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Obama already lied to the American people on national TV by his denial
>>>> of being in contact with Blag. (Axelrod said that he WAS in contact)
>>>>
>>>> If Obama is asked the same question by investigators and he lies again,
>>>> to them, it's perjury. It's even more blatant than the Scooter Libby
>>>> situation.
>>>
>>
>>>No shit? I bet Obama never thought of that. I better send him an e-mail
>>>so
>>>he won't fall into that trap.
>>
>> Pssst...lying to investigators isn't perjury, but don't tell Travel.
>
>
>
> Not perjury, but lying to law enforcement agents during investigations is
> a crime. That's just one reason why no one with a brain would ever make
> any statement to law enforcement other than, "I want to consult with a
> lawyer before I make any statement."
You make a valid point bucko but what are the odds that any investigator is
ever going to ask The Messiah that question? The answer is slim or none -
and slim just left town. Of course I know we can count on Chris "a thrill
rran up my leg when I heard Obama speak" Matthews, Keith Obermann and the
unbiased journalists at MSNBC to report accurately and fully on The
Messiah's involvement in this scandal [LOL!]. The beauty part is listening
to Obama endorse Blag (even after the early corruption investigation) and
say how his main objective "is to get Blag elected Goveneror". Seriously,
the chances that Obama didn't discuss his vacant senate seat with Blag are
almost as good as him sitting in Jeremish Wright's church for 20 years and
never hearing a racist, anti-American or anti-Semetic comment.
Irish Mike
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 09:11:18
From: Patrick Karl
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Irish Mike wrote:
> "James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:lFD0l.1$jr1.0@newsfe05.iad...
>>
>>
>> Not perjury, but lying to law enforcement agents during investigations is
>> a crime. That's just one reason why no one with a brain would ever make
>> any statement to law enforcement other than, "I want to consult with a
>> lawyer before I make any statement."
>
> You make a valid point bucko but what are the odds that any investigator is
> ever going to ask The Messiah that question? The answer is slim or none -
> and slim just left town. Of course I know we can count on Chris "a thrill
> rran up my leg when I heard Obama speak" Matthews, Keith Obermann and the
> unbiased journalists at MSNBC to report accurately and fully on The
> Messiah's involvement in this scandal [LOL!]. The beauty part is listening
> to Obama endorse Blag (even after the early corruption investigation) and
> say how his main objective "is to get Blag elected Goveneror". Seriously,
> the chances that Obama didn't discuss his vacant senate seat with Blag are
> almost as good as him sitting in Jeremish Wright's church for 20 years and
> never hearing a racist, anti-American or anti-Semetic comment.
Which would be about on a par with the chances that you sat in those
Catholic pews all those years and never noticed that the priest were
buggering some of your classmates. But I seem to remember that you are
a stout defender of the Catholic Church. How can that be? I guess it
just goes to show that some of these analogies aren't very accurate, eh?
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 10:31:23
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Patrick Karl" <jpkarl@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:gi0jas$qn8$1@news.motzarella.org...
> Irish Mike wrote:
>> "James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net> wrote in message
>> news:lFD0l.1$jr1.0@newsfe05.iad...
>>>
>>>
>>> Not perjury, but lying to law enforcement agents during investigations
>>> is a crime. That's just one reason why no one with a brain would ever
>>> make any statement to law enforcement other than, "I want to consult
>>> with a lawyer before I make any statement."
>>
>> You make a valid point bucko but what are the odds that any investigator
>> is ever going to ask The Messiah that question? The answer is slim or
>> none - and slim just left town. Of course I know we can count on Chris
>> "a thrill rran up my leg when I heard Obama speak" Matthews, Keith
>> Obermann and the unbiased journalists at MSNBC to report accurately and
>> fully on The Messiah's involvement in this scandal [LOL!]. The beauty
>> part is listening to Obama endorse Blag (even after the early corruption
>> investigation) and say how his main objective "is to get Blag elected
>> Goveneror". Seriously, the chances that Obama didn't discuss his vacant
>> senate seat with Blag are almost as good as him sitting in Jeremish
>> Wright's church for 20 years and never hearing a racist, anti-American or
>> anti-Semetic comment.
>
> Which would be about on a par with the chances that you sat in those
> Catholic pews all those years and never noticed that the priest were
> buggering some of your classmates. But I seem to remember that you are a
> stout defender of the Catholic Church. How can that be? I guess it just
> goes to show that some of these analogies aren't very accurate, eh?
Patrick, at first I just dismissed you as another anti-Catholic bigot. But
based on your obsession with "buggering" young boys, I now believe you are a
pedophile. I don't know if there are any law enforcement agents who monitor
news groups like this for pedophiles, but if there are I hope they arrest
you. Get some professional help you sick bastard.
Irish Mike
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 14:30:03
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Karl Patrick" wrote:
"Which would be about on a par with the chances that you sat in those
Catholic pews all those years and never noticed that the priest were
buggering some of your classmates. But I seem to remember that you are
a stout defender of the Catholic Church. How can that be? I guess it
just goes to show that some of these analogies aren't very accurate,
eh?"
..................................................................
He would go to another Catholic church down the street if he knew about
it. Something like that isn't exactly declared from the pulpit.
There was a rabbi that was caught on the NBC "Catch A Predator" show.
Does that mean all jews should no longer go to all synagogues?
The difference is that Obama didn't change his venue of worship, but
remained at the racist "Reverend" Wright's particular church for twenty
years. Estimated at 500 visits.
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 19:35:56
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Travel" <nine510@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:1229200871.63763@pokermagazine.com...
> "Karl Patrick" wrote:
>
> "Which would be about on a par with the chances that you sat in those
> Catholic pews all those years and never noticed that the priest were
> buggering some of your classmates. But I seem to remember that you are
>
> a stout defender of the Catholic Church. How can that be? I guess it
> just goes to show that some of these analogies aren't very accurate,
> eh?"
>
> ..................................................................
>
> He would go to another Catholic church down the street if he knew about
> it. Something like that isn't exactly declared from the pulpit.
>
> There was a rabbi that was caught on the NBC "Catch A Predator" show.
> Does that mean all jews should no longer go to all synagogues?
>
> The difference is that Obama didn't change his venue of worship, but
> remained at the racist "Reverend" Wright's particular church for twenty
> years. Estimated at 500 visits.
I've been a Catholic all my life and I've lived in about ten different
parishes. Plus, I've been in many other Catholic churches for Mass when
traveling, vacationing, etc. I have never heard any Priest do a racist,
anti-American or anti-Semitic sermon. If I did, I would never set foot in
that particular church again. In my parish church every Mass includes
prayers for all of our political leaders, for peace in the world and for the
safety of the men and women serving in our military.
I'm sorry but no one sits in a church with their wife and children for
twenty years unless they agree with what their pastor is preaching - and
that includes Barack Obama. I have absolutely no doubt that if Jeremiah
Wright's racist, anti-American, anti-Jewish rants had not been made public,
Obama would still be sitting in those pews today. And that speaks volumes
about the man's character - or lack there of.
Irish Mike
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 15:57:55
From: Patrick Karl
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Travel wrote:
> "Karl Patrick" wrote:
>
> "Which would be about on a par with the chances that you sat in those
> Catholic pews all those years and never noticed that the priest were
> buggering some of your classmates. But I seem to remember that you are
>
> a stout defender of the Catholic Church. How can that be? I guess it
> just goes to show that some of these analogies aren't very accurate,
> eh?"
>
> ..................................................................
>
> He would go to another Catholic church down the street if he knew about
> it. Something like that isn't exactly declared from the pulpit.
You carrying IM's water these days?
It's apparently not like you can just go to another Catholic church down
the street, as the problem is endemic in the whole church, at least the
American branch. And while it may not be exactly declared from the
pulpit, when entire dioceses are declaring bankruptcy because of the
burder of lost pedophile lawsuits, I would expect it to be common
knowledge what is going on.
>
> There was a rabbi that was caught on the NBC "Catch A Predator" show.
> Does that mean all jews should no longer go to all synagogues?
We're not talking about a single priest, but apparently some 4% of them
-- a figure which is approximately 40 times what IM thought the level of
transgression was.
> The difference is that Obama didn't change his venue of worship, but
> remained at the racist "Reverend" Wright's particular church for twenty
> years. Estimated at 500 visits.
So what?
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 22:10:14
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Patrick Karl Usenet Poster
jpkarl@gmail.com Post #83 of 92 (3 views) Copy Shortcut Dec 13, 2008,
4:58 PM
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Travel wrote:
> "Karl Patrick" wrote:
>
> "Which would be about on a par with the chances that you sat in those
> Catholic pews all those years and never noticed that the priest were
> buggering some of your classmates. But I seem to remember that you
are
>
> a stout defender of the Catholic Church. How can that be? I guess it
> just goes to show that some of these analogies aren't very accurate,
> eh?"
>
> ..................................................................
>
> He would go to another Catholic church down the street if he knew
about
> it. Something like that isn't exactly declared from the pulpit.
"You carrying IM's water these days?"
I'm addressing your biased vitriol and gross misrepresentation in
characterizing the Catholic Church from your bigoted viewpoint.
"It's apparently not like you can just go to another Catholic church
down
the street,"
Why not?
""as the problem is endemic in the whole church,"
No it isn't. Count the number of convictions and then count the total
number of priests. The difference that remains are the innocent.
"at least the
American branch. And while it may not be exactly declared from the
pulpit, when entire dioceses are declaring bankruptcy because of the
burder of lost pedophile lawsuits,"
You're trying to say that everyone should buy into a left wing created
which hunt frenzy and believe that every priest is guilty of something.
"I would expect it to be common
knowledge what is going on."
It is common knowledge: the left wing has been attacking American
religion. They've been trying to destroy the protestant religion by
pumping up stories of various preachers' occasional sexual
indiscretions for decades. Funny how something like that always makes
the lead story in the media. Not to mention the ridiculing of religion
and religious figures (priests nuns, white reverends etc., etc.) in
movies, television and the general news media. Oh, and on the internet.
> There was a rabbi that was caught on the NBC "Catch A Predator" show.
> Does that mean all jews should no longer go to all synagogues?
"We're not talking about a single priest,"
No, you're just singling-out and targeting the Catholic Church at the
moment.
"but apparently some 4% of them
-- a figure which is approximately 40 times what IM thought the level
of
transgression was."
What we're talking about is your religion bigotry.
What percentage of the Democrats of congress were part of the House
Post Office scandal? Why is there still a Democrat party?
> The difference is that Obama didn't change his venue of worship, but
> remained at the racist "Reverend" Wright's particular church for
twenty
> years. Estimated at 500 visits.
"So what?"
So, he supports racism against whites. He also supports anti America
doctrine in general. That's what.
Last post on this subject on this thread.
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 12:44:33
From: Patrick Karl
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Irish Mike wrote:
> "Patrick Karl" <jpkarl@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gi0jas$qn8$1@news.motzarella.org...
Seriously, the chances that Obama didn't discuss his vacant
>>> senate seat with Blag are almost as good as him sitting in Jeremish
>>> Wright's church for 20 years and never hearing a racist, anti-American or
>>> anti-Semetic comment.
>> Which would be about on a par with the chances that you sat in those
>> Catholic pews all those years and never noticed that the priest were
>> buggering some of your classmates. But I seem to remember that you are a
>> stout defender of the Catholic Church. How can that be? I guess it just
>> goes to show that some of these analogies aren't very accurate, eh?
>
> Patrick, at first I just dismissed you as another anti-Catholic bigot. But
> based on your obsession with "buggering" young boys, I now believe you are a
> pedophile. I don't know if there are any law enforcement agents who monitor
> news groups like this for pedophiles, but if there are I hope they arrest
> you. Get some professional help you sick bastard.
LOL. Sorry, no pedophilia here.
Seriously, can't you tell that I'm actually curious why you are so
intolerant of Obama's church conduct while at the same time you are very
forgiving of your own. What should a devout religious person do when
they go to church and hear racist statements or hear of their priests
buggering little boys? Apparently, in your eyes the former is terribly
wrong, the latter not so much so. That seems passing strange.
(BTW, an ignorant racist such as yourself should know how to spell
anti-Semitic. It will tend to camouflage the ignorance.)
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 19:14:36
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Patrick Karl" <jpkarl@gmail.com > wrote in message
news:gi0vqo$t5f$1@news.motzarella.org...
> Irish Mike wrote:
>> "Patrick Karl" <jpkarl@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:gi0jas$qn8$1@news.motzarella.org...
> Seriously, the chances that Obama didn't discuss his vacant
>>>> senate seat with Blag are almost as good as him sitting in Jeremish
>>>> Wright's church for 20 years and never hearing a racist, anti-American
>>>> or anti-Semetic comment.
>>> Which would be about on a par with the chances that you sat in those
>>> Catholic pews all those years and never noticed that the priest were
>>> buggering some of your classmates. But I seem to remember that you are
>>> a stout defender of the Catholic Church. How can that be? I guess it
>>> just goes to show that some of these analogies aren't very accurate, eh?
>>
>> Patrick, at first I just dismissed you as another anti-Catholic bigot.
>> But based on your obsession with "buggering" young boys, I now believe
>> you are a pedophile. I don't know if there are any law enforcement
>> agents who monitor news groups like this for pedophiles, but if there are
>> I hope they arrest you. Get some professional help you sick bastard.
>
> LOL. Sorry, no pedophilia here.
I'm not buying it bucko. No normal man logs on to a poker newsgroup and
makes the repeated posts you have about "buggering young boys". I think
you're a pedophile and I hope you're arrested and prosecuted. You really
do need to get some professional help.
Irish Mike
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Date: 13 Dec 2008 16:24:06
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Patrick Karl"
> What should a devout religious person do when they go to church and hear
> racist statements or hear of their priests buggering little boys?
I bet if Mike hear the priest making racist statements and anti American
statements and sermons suggesting buggering little boys, it would not take
him twenty years to walk out.
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Date: 15 Dec 2008 19:46:04
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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da pickle, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 12/13/2008
4:24 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
> "Patrick Karl"
>
>> What should a devout religious person do when they go to church and hear
>> racist statements or hear of their priests buggering little boys?
>
> I bet if Mike hear the priest making racist statements and anti American
> statements and sermons suggesting buggering little boys, it would not take
> him twenty years to walk out.
>
>
I betcha he won't disavow his support of the IRA, either.
What's even funnier is that if you pin him down, he'll start ranting
about all the shit the darn English did to the poor Irish, and how they
deserve whatever retribution they get.
Of course, the African-Americans have always had everything just
PERFECT, no reason for them to want a little retribution, right!
<violin > Those poor Irish folk were treated like second class citizens,
gosh darn it, and everyone knows that's *worse* than being someone's
talking mule </violin >.
The guy's hypocrisy goes deep to the point where you almost have to
assume he's either trolling or has some kinda mental derangement.
Then again, who doesn't!
Har. Cheers.
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Date: 16 Dec 2008 20:31:34
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Kyle T. Jones"
<snip change of subject >
oops, nothing else to see here, move on
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Date: 17 Dec 2008 13:53:46
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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da pickle, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 12/16/2008
8:31 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
> "Kyle T. Jones"
>
> <snip change of subject>
>
> oops, nothing else to see here, move on
>
>
Betcha can't identify yer claimed "change of subject".
Pickle lameness level: increasing towards infinity. Hell, I had to
check twice to make sure this wasn't the impostor.
That may be overly harsh, pickle, but you've been acting... I don't
know, childishly. Can you imagine if someone followed you around,
snipping any content that strayed from what they perceive to be the
subject? Cuz, love ya or hate ya, if there's one thing everyone tends
to agree on, it's the... wandering, I guess?... nature of your responses.
Hell, there might not be anything left!
Cheers.
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Date: 17 Dec 2008 18:18:42
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Kyle T. Jones"
>> <snip change of subject>
>>
>> oops, nothing else to see here, move on
>
> Betcha can't identify yer claimed "change of subject".
Betcha I can.
> Pickle lameness level: increasing towards infinity. Hell, I had to check
> twice to make sure this wasn't the impostor.
You seem to have fallen off the turnip truck, trout. You never used to run
straight to ad hominim attacks. What's with that?
> That may be overly harsh, pickle, but you've been acting... I don't know,
> childishly. Can you imagine if someone followed you around, snipping any
> content that strayed from what they perceive to be the subject? Cuz, love
> ya or hate ya, if there's one thing everyone tends to agree on, it's
> the... wandering, I guess?... nature of your responses.
That you wanted to change the subject rather than comment on the subject and
when called wanted to change it again makes me childish?
I cannot follow your logic these days, trout. And I once always once
understood even your most obscure (and often fiendishly clever) diversions.
I am just a passenger on this bus ... but so are you. You are not the
dictator.
> Hell, there might not be anything left!
You might expound on what you might mean. You seem to believe you know what
"everyone" agrees upon.
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Date: 18 Dec 2008 08:57:40
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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da pickle, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 12/17/2008
6:18 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
> "Kyle T. Jones"
>
>>> <snip change of subject>
>>>
>>> oops, nothing else to see here, move on
>> Betcha can't identify yer claimed "change of subject".
>
> Betcha I can.
>
Then why didn't you? Right... proof is in the pudding, indeed.
Cheers.
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Date: 18 Dec 2008 15:25:54
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Kyle T. Jones"
>>>> oops, nothing else to see here, move on
>>> Betcha can't identify yer claimed "change of subject".
>>
>> Betcha I can.
>
> Then why didn't you? Right... proof is in the pudding, indeed.
And this is the third change. Care to return to the point?
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Date: 18 Dec 2008 16:06:52
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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da pickle, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 12/18/2008
3:25 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
> "Kyle T. Jones"
>
>>>>> oops, nothing else to see here, move on
>>>> Betcha can't identify yer claimed "change of subject".
>>> Betcha I can.
>> Then why didn't you? Right... proof is in the pudding, indeed.
>
> And this is the third change. Care to return to the point?
>
>
I never strayed from the point of this subthread, pickle.
Go back and read the three back-n-forth posts between Patrick and Mike
leading into your own reply. Are they not arguing about whether or not
Mike is being a hypocrite?
And, in your own first entry:
___________________________________________________________
"Patrick Karl"
> > What should a devout religious person do when they go to church and
hear
> > racist statements or hear of their priests buggering little boys?
I bet if Mike hear the priest making racist statements and anti American
statements and sermons suggesting buggering little boys, it would not
take him twenty years to walk out.
_______________________________________________________________
are you not also addressing the issue of whether or not Mike is a hypocrite?
So how is my entry, in which I (in pithy manner) argue that he is,
indeed, a hypocrite, a "change of subject"?
Cheers.
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Date: 18 Dec 2008 19:07:01
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Kyle T. Jones"
> Go back and read the three back-n-forth posts between Patrick and Mike
> leading into your own reply. Are they not arguing about whether or not
> Mike is being a hypocrite?
Shows how someone can read something a different way. I thought Patrick was
making an analogy with a very interesting (false premise and poor)
comparison with his comment:
"Which would be about on a par with the chances that you sat in those
Catholic pews all those years and never noticed that the priest were
buggering some of your classmates."
I thought his analogy was fatally flawed and therefore did not "see" that
the point he was trying to make was that Mike was a hypocrite at all. I do
not think that what Mike said was in any way comparable to what Patrick
said. So, using his analysis, I commented that unlike Obama, Mike would not
have sat in the church with a priest preaching something like "buggering
some of your classmates" ... I did not think that made Mike a hypocrite at
all. (Mike may indeed be a hypocrite, but I just do not see that in him in
this particular comparison.)
But then, who am I to say what Mike might do or not do. Obama's situation
is a fact ... Mike's situation is a hypothetical. I am not concerned much
with Obama's church attendance ... I think many churches preach a lot of
stuff that I am not interested in ... but I do not see how Mike's opinion
about it proves much of anything.
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Date: 12 Dec 2008 23:10:18
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Irish Mike" Usenet Poster
mjostar@ameritech.net Post #72 of 73 (2 views) Copy Shortcut Dec 12,
2008, 11:05 PM
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"James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net > wrote in message
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>
> "Pepe Papon" <hitmeister@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
> news:06l5k4dm0pmd2se16a6260i0hu8gefe7bf@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:04:53 -0600, "James L. Hankins"
>> <jhankins5@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> Obama already lied to the American people on national TV by his
denial
>>>> of being in contact with Blag. (Axelrod said that he WAS in
contact)
>>>>
>>>> If Obama is asked the same question by investigators and he lies
again,
>>>> to them, it's perjury. It's even more blatant than the Scooter
Libby
>>>> situation.
>>>
>>
>>>No shit? I bet Obama never thought of that. I better send him an
e-mail
>>>so
>>>he won't fall into that trap.
>>
>> Pssst...lying to investigators isn't perjury, but don't tell Travel.
>
>
>
> Not perjury, but lying to law enforcement agents during
investigations is
> a crime. That's just one reason why no one with a brain would ever
make
> any statement to law enforcement other than, "I want to consult with
a
> lawyer before I make any statement."
You make a valid point bucko but what are the odds that any
investigator is
ever going to ask The Messiah that question? The answer is slim or none
-
Irish Mike
.......................................................................
.........
What are you talking about? I made that point, not Hankins.
Hankins stated that Obama knowing about the "deal for senate a
appointment" but not reporting it, isn't a crime, and I stated that it
is if he lies about it to investigators as he did to the Americam
people at a press conference.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 19:45:52
From: pokertoker
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net > wrote in message
news:Z8E%k.49466$zQ3.27089@newsfe12.iad...
>
> "ramashiva" <ramashiva@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:993940d9-8426-497d-a22d-e37b1a3553aa@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
> Knowing but not reporting? I don't see anything criminal there.
>
You went to Moritz didn't you - lol.
--
Duncan McPT - Highlander,
"It is no measure of good health to be well-adjusted in a profoundly sick
society."
Krishnamurti
--
I'll wager (bet,) that Obama is still the President three years from now.
You game, (seeks agreement,) wingnut?
James Hankins, 11-20-08
*
How much - I'm down for $ 1,000.00 (agreement). You down ? (seeks amount.)
Pokertoker, 11-21-08
*
LOL...a bet with an anonymous troll. Oddly enough, I think Travel would
actually pay if he made such a bet. You're just a wisp of smoke. (Welched
on obligation.)
James Hankins, 11-21-08
*
Welch:
welch·es Informal
1. To swindle a person by not paying a debt or wager.
2. To fail to fulfill an obligation.
FellKnight, 12-9-08
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 18:14:11
From: pokertoker
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"ramashiva" <ramashiva@earthlink.net > wrote in message
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On Dec 9, 3:29 pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net > wrote:
>
> > The real story here is that Blagojevich apparently wanted to sell the
> > appointment to the Senate and even though Obama had a favorite for the
seat,
> > Obama refused to play ball.
>
> Well, there is also a problem if Obama knew Blagojevich was trying to
> sell the Senate seat and did not report it to federal authorities.
Plus how much did Obama pay for his seat? Clearly this is some kind of long
established and widely known pattern of public abuse.
> Isn't that some kind of crime?
bada-bing.
--
Duncan McPT - Highlander,
"It is no measure of good health to be well-adjusted in a profoundly sick
society."
Krishnamurti
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I'll wager (bet,) that Obama is still the President three years from now.
You game, (seeks agreement,) wingnut?
James Hankins, 11-20-08
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How much - I'm down for $ 1,000.00 (agreement). You down ? (seeks amount.)
Pokertoker, 11-21-08
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LOL...a bet with an anonymous troll. Oddly enough, I think Travel would
actually pay if he made such a bet. You're just a wisp of smoke. (Welched
on obligation.)
James Hankins, 11-21-08
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Welch:
welch·es Informal
1. To swindle a person by not paying a debt or wager.
2. To fail to fulfill an obligation.
FellKnight, 12-9-08
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 18:20:13
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"pokertoker" <pokertoker@bluesky.com > wrote in message
news:ghn1gp$us5$1@news.motzarella.org...
>
> "ramashiva" <ramashiva@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:993940d9-8426-497d-a22d-e37b1a3553aa@i20g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 9, 3:29 pm, "James L. Hankins" <jhanki...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>> > The real story here is that Blagojevich apparently wanted to sell the
>> > appointment to the Senate and even though Obama had a favorite for the
> seat,
>> > Obama refused to play ball.
>>
>> Well, there is also a problem if Obama knew Blagojevich was trying to
>> sell the Senate seat and did not report it to federal authorities.
>
> Plus how much did Obama pay for his seat? Clearly this is some kind of
> long
> established and widely known pattern of public abuse.
>
>> Isn't that some kind of crime?
>
> bada-bing.
googling around you get a whole lot of different viewpoints.
This from ABC blogspot
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html
answers and asks questions.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 19:30:19
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Susan"
> This from ABC blogspot
>
> http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html
>
> answers and asks questions.
Thanks for the link, Susan. Questions, indeed.
I wonder if everyone asking these questions are morons and idiots?
And racists.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 17:51:11
From: Scott/sjakma
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Dec 9 2008 8:30 PM, da pickle wrote:
> "Susan"
>
> > This from ABC blogspot
> >
> > http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html
> >
> > answers and asks questions.
>
> Thanks for the link, Susan. Questions, indeed.
>
> I wonder if everyone asking these questions are morons and idiots?
>
> And racists.
I agree there are questions but I think the article is poorly written.
Did you watch Fitzgeralds press conference today? If not, I recommend
watching it or reading the transcript and you will be able to find the
answers to many of the questions..
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 20:03:33
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Scott/sjakma"
>> > This from ABC blogspot
>> >
>> > http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html
>> >
>> > answers and asks questions.
>>
>> Thanks for the link, Susan. Questions, indeed.
>>
>> I wonder if everyone asking these questions are morons and idiots?
>>
>> And racists.
>
> I agree there are questions but I think the article is poorly written.
> Did you watch Fitzgeralds press conference today? If not, I recommend
> watching it or reading the transcript and you will be able to find the
> answers to many of the questions.
I did not see the press conference. If you have a link, I will watch it.
However, are you saying that "x says this is the answer" is all it takes for
you to stop asking questions?
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 18:26:33
From: Scott/sjakma
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Dec 9 2008 9:03 PM, da pickle wrote:
> "Scott/sjakma"
>
> >> > This from ABC blogspot
> >> >
> >> > http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html
> >> >
> >> > answers and asks questions.
> >>
> >> Thanks for the link, Susan. Questions, indeed.
> >>
> >> I wonder if everyone asking these questions are morons and idiots?
> >>
> >> And racists.
> >
> > I agree there are questions but I think the article is poorly written.
> > Did you watch Fitzgeralds press conference today? If not, I recommend
> > watching it or reading the transcript and you will be able to find the
> > answers to many of the questions.
>
> I did not see the press conference. If you have a link, I will watch it.
>
> However, are you saying that "x says this is the answer" is all it takes for
> you to stop asking questions?
It is not all of the answers but there are a few where "x says this is the
answer." I supported Obama and still support him.. My biggest worry is
Illinois politics will bring him down. I chose to support him because I
did not think he is directly tied into any of the big political families
in Illinois.(Jackson, Daley, Mell(Blago), Jones, Stroger, Lipinski)
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 01:17:05
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Scott/sjakma" <scott@scottadams.com > wrote in message
news:pvl316x3ev.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 9 2008 9:03 PM, da pickle wrote:
>
>> "Scott/sjakma"
>>
>> >> > This from ABC blogspot
>> >> >
>> >> > http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html
>> >> >
>> >> > answers and asks questions.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for the link, Susan. Questions, indeed.
>> >>
>> >> I wonder if everyone asking these questions are morons and idiots?
>> >>
>> >> And racists.
>> >
>> > I agree there are questions but I think the article is poorly written.
>> > Did you watch Fitzgeralds press conference today? If not, I recommend
>> > watching it or reading the transcript and you will be able to find the
>> > answers to many of the questions.
>>
>> I did not see the press conference. If you have a link, I will watch it.
>>
>> However, are you saying that "x says this is the answer" is all it takes
>> for
>> you to stop asking questions?
>
> It is not all of the answers but there are a few where "x says this is the
> answer." I supported Obama and still support him.. My biggest worry is
> Illinois politics will bring him down. I chose to support him because I
> did not think he is directly tied into any of the big political families
> in Illinois.(Jackson, Daley, Mell(Blago), Jones, Stroger, Lipinski)
No, just Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Pfleger and Farrakhan. But you need not
worry bucko. The Messiah is too big to fail. Short of shooting his closet
racist wife dead, on camera, in front of a dozen (non-liberal) witnesses,
there is nothing that can harm Obama. If people were stupid enough to
believe him when he said he sat in those pews for 20 years and never heard
Jeremiah Wright make a single racist, anti-American or anti-Semitic comment,
they're stupid enough to believe any thing they're told.
Irish Mike
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 12:22:20
From: Patrick Karl
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Irish Mike wrote:
> "Scott/sjakma" <scott@scottadams.com> wrote in message
> news:pvl316x3ev.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> On Dec 9 2008 9:03 PM, da pickle wrote:
>>
>>> "Scott/sjakma"
>>>
>>>>>> This from ABC blogspot
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> answers and asks questions.
>>>>> Thanks for the link, Susan. Questions, indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if everyone asking these questions are morons and idiots?
>>>>>
>>>>> And racists.
>>>> I agree there are questions but I think the article is poorly written.
>>>> Did you watch Fitzgeralds press conference today? If not, I recommend
>>>> watching it or reading the transcript and you will be able to find the
>>>> answers to many of the questions.
>>> I did not see the press conference. If you have a link, I will watch it.
>>>
>>> However, are you saying that "x says this is the answer" is all it takes
>>> for
>>> you to stop asking questions?
>> It is not all of the answers but there are a few where "x says this is the
>> answer." I supported Obama and still support him.. My biggest worry is
>> Illinois politics will bring him down. I chose to support him because I
>> did not think he is directly tied into any of the big political families
>> in Illinois.(Jackson, Daley, Mell(Blago), Jones, Stroger, Lipinski)
>
> No, just Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Pfleger and Farrakhan. But you need not
> worry bucko. The Messiah is too big to fail. Short of shooting his closet
> racist wife dead, on camera, in front of a dozen (non-liberal) witnesses,
> there is nothing that can harm Obama. If people were stupid enough to
> believe him when he said he sat in those pews for 20 years and never heard
> Jeremiah Wright make a single racist, anti-American or anti-Semitic comment,
> they're stupid enough to believe any thing they're told.
Do you still sit in those Catholic pews, even though you know all the
despicable things they've been doing with little boys?
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 17:29:21
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Patrick Karl" <jpkarl@gmail.com > wrote in message
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> Irish Mike wrote:
>> "Scott/sjakma" <scott@scottadams.com> wrote in message
>> news:pvl316x3ev.ln2@recgroups.com...
>>> On Dec 9 2008 9:03 PM, da pickle wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Scott/sjakma"
>>>>
>>>>>>> This from ABC blogspot
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> answers and asks questions.
>>>>>> Thanks for the link, Susan. Questions, indeed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder if everyone asking these questions are morons and idiots?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And racists.
>>>>> I agree there are questions but I think the article is poorly written.
>>>>> Did you watch Fitzgeralds press conference today? If not, I
>>>>> recommend
>>>>> watching it or reading the transcript and you will be able to find the
>>>>> answers to many of the questions.
>>>> I did not see the press conference. If you have a link, I will watch
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> However, are you saying that "x says this is the answer" is all it
>>>> takes for
>>>> you to stop asking questions?
>>> It is not all of the answers but there are a few where "x says this is
>>> the
>>> answer." I supported Obama and still support him.. My biggest worry is
>>> Illinois politics will bring him down. I chose to support him because I
>>> did not think he is directly tied into any of the big political families
>>> in Illinois.(Jackson, Daley, Mell(Blago), Jones, Stroger, Lipinski)
>>
>> No, just Ayers, Wright, Rezko, Pfleger and Farrakhan. But you need not
>> worry bucko. The Messiah is too big to fail. Short of shooting his
>> closet racist wife dead, on camera, in front of a dozen (non-liberal)
>> witnesses, there is nothing that can harm Obama. If people were stupid
>> enough to believe him when he said he sat in those pews for 20 years and
>> never heard Jeremiah Wright make a single racist, anti-American or
>> anti-Semitic comment, they're stupid enough to believe any thing they're
>> told.
>
> Do you still sit in those Catholic pews, even though you know all the
> despicable things they've been doing with little boys?
That's a pretty lame response, even by your rock bottom standards Patrick.
Try to deal with the facts bucko. Obama just got caught in another lie.
But not to worry. Just stick your head a little deeper in the kool aid
bucket.
Irish Mike
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 18:39:11
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Dec 9 2008 9:26 PM, Scott/sjakma wrote:
> On Dec 9 2008 9:03 PM, da pickle wrote:
>
> > "Scott/sjakma"
> >
> > >> > This from ABC blogspot
> > >> >
> > >> > http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html
> > >> >
> > >> > answers and asks questions.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the link, Susan. Questions, indeed.
> > >>
> > >> I wonder if everyone asking these questions are morons and idiots?
> > >>
> > >> And racists.
> > >
> > > I agree there are questions but I think the article is poorly written.
> > > Did you watch Fitzgeralds press conference today? If not, I recommend
> > > watching it or reading the transcript and you will be able to find the
> > > answers to many of the questions.
> >
> > I did not see the press conference. If you have a link, I will watch it.
> >
> > However, are you saying that "x says this is the answer" is all it takes
for
> > you to stop asking questions?
>
> It is not all of the answers but there are a few where "x says this is the
> answer." I supported Obama and still support him.. My biggest worry is
> Illinois politics will bring him down. I chose to support him because I
> did not think he is directly tied into any of the big political families
> in Illinois.(Jackson, Daley, Mell(Blago), Jones, Stroger, Lipinski)
Stroger... grrrrrrrrrr.
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 21:40:17
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Pickel wrote:
"You know more about it than I. I can tell you about the Longs and the
anti-Longs or EWE, but you will have to keep me up on Illinois
politics. I
think the question is whether there is any "tie" at all. I doubt that
anyone will find out without a lot of questions and probing. Are you up
for
that?"
.......................................................................
.......
"Scott" seems to be the last one to ask about Chicago politics.
Rham Emmanuel (to be Obama's White House Chief of Staff) and Obama were
top advisors for Blag's campaign. Obama even continued to endorse Blag
when he was initially "rumored" to be under investigaion a long time
ago for other "problems".
Blag is a former client of Axelrod (who's the head of Obama's campaign
and top advisor) in his earlier, congress days.
How about Ayers?
I mean, DUH!, Obama is up to his neck in Chicago political corruption.
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Date: 11 Dec 2008 00:16:23
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Travel" <nine510@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:1228967887.94611@pokermagazine.com...
> Pickel wrote:
>
> "You know more about it than I. I can tell you about the Longs and the
>
> anti-Longs or EWE, but you will have to keep me up on Illinois
> politics. I
> think the question is whether there is any "tie" at all. I doubt that
> anyone will find out without a lot of questions and probing. Are you up
> for
> that?"
>
> .......................................................................
> .......
>
> "Scott" seems to be the last one to ask about Chicago politics.
>
> Rham Emmanuel (to be Obama's White House Chief of Staff) and Obama were
> top advisors for Blag's campaign. Obama even continued to endorse Blag
> when he was initially "rumored" to be under investigaion a long time
> ago for other "problems".
>
> Blag is a former client of Axelrod (who's the head of Obama's campaign
> and top advisor) in his earlier, congress days.
>
> How about Ayers?
>
> I mean, DUH!, Obama is up to his neck in Chicago political corruption.
Obama and Blag are both snakes but now Obama is a big snake and Blag is a
little snake. What happens in the real world when a big snake and a little
snake fight? The big snakes kills and eats the little snake. Bye, bye
Blag. BTW, did you hear that Jesse Jackson Jr. was one of the scum bags
trying to buy The Messiah's senate seat? Oh year, the investigators have
him as a bidder. But you liberals need not worry. JJ jr. says it all lies
and no one is going to risk having his old man play the race card on their
ass - especially with The Messiah sitting in the oval office.
Irish Mike
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Date: 11 Dec 2008 23:40:16
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Hankins wrote:
"No shit? I bet Obama never thought of that. I better send him an
e-mail so
he won't fall into that trap."
.......................................................................
..............
Someone should send you an e-mail about posting dumb, after the fact,
apologist drivel.
It seems they already fell into the trap of Axelrod contradicting
Obama's national TV comments. Seems Obama didn't think of the
possibility that someone on his team already admitted to "being in
contact with Blag".
It's a good thing the first one to ask Obama that question wasn't from
the Justice Department. Good thing for Obama that is.
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 04:38:59
From: chandler
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Dec 9 2008 9:39 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> On Dec 9 2008 9:26 PM, Scott/sjakma wrote:
>
> > On Dec 9 2008 9:03 PM, da pickle wrote:
> >
> > > "Scott/sjakma"
> > >
> > > >> > This from ABC blogspot
> > > >> >
> > > >> > http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html
> > > >> >
> > > >> > answers and asks questions.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks for the link, Susan. Questions, indeed.
> > > >>
> > > >> I wonder if everyone asking these questions are morons and idiots?
> > > >>
> > > >> And racists.
> > > >
> > > > I agree there are questions but I think the article is poorly written.
> > > > Did you watch Fitzgeralds press conference today? If not, I recommend
> > > > watching it or reading the transcript and you will be able to find the
> > > > answers to many of the questions.
> > >
> > > I did not see the press conference. If you have a link, I will watch it.
> > >
> > > However, are you saying that "x says this is the answer" is all it takes
> for
> > > you to stop asking questions?
> >
> > It is not all of the answers but there are a few where "x says this is the
> > answer." I supported Obama and still support him.. My biggest worry is
> > Illinois politics will bring him down. I chose to support him because I
> > did not think he is directly tied into any of the big political families
> > in Illinois.(Jackson, Daley, Mell(Blago), Jones, Stroger, Lipinski)
>
> Stroger... grrrrrrrrrr.
LOL, Yeah, I'd trade Stroger for Rod in a heartbeat.
Chandler
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 20:28:12
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Scott/sjakma"
> It is not all of the answers but there are a few where "x says this is the
> answer." I supported Obama and still support him.. My biggest worry is
> Illinois politics will bring him down. I chose to support him because I
> did not think he is directly tied into any of the big political families
> in Illinois.(Jackson, Daley, Mell(Blago), Jones, Stroger, Lipinski)
You know more about it than I. I can tell you about the Longs and the
anti-Longs or EWE, but you will have to keep me up on Illinois politics. I
think the question is whether there is any "tie" at all. I doubt that
anyone will find out without a lot of questions and probing. Are you up for
that?
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Date: 15 Dec 2008 18:13:25
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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da pickle, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 12/9/2008 8:28
PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on Usenet:
> "Scott/sjakma"
>
>> It is not all of the answers but there are a few where "x says this is the
>> answer." I supported Obama and still support him.. My biggest worry is
>> Illinois politics will bring him down. I chose to support him because I
>> did not think he is directly tied into any of the big political families
>> in Illinois.(Jackson, Daley, Mell(Blago), Jones, Stroger, Lipinski)
>
> You know more about it than I. I can tell you about the Longs and the
> anti-Longs or EWE, but you will have to keep me up on Illinois politics. I
> think the question is whether there is any "tie" at all. I doubt that
> anyone will find out without a lot of questions and probing. Are you up for
> that?
>
>
<rant >
Sure, man. Probe away. Lots of questions, and, heck, since we're
asking let's get really, really far-ranging, K?
Hell, they probed and questioned Clinton into a corner and got him to
lie about a BJ. Obama should be just more of the same. Let's get him
under oath and ask him all the potentially embarrassing questions!
Probe, probe, probe. Anyone probe deeply into Bush's stock-selling
scandal? Plus, I'm still not convinced that he wasn't actually born in
Jamaica, can someone set my mind at ease about that?
I don't want to see registered copies, I WANT THE ORIGINAL. Nothing
else will satisfy.
There's a huge difference between keeping an eye on someone and what
happened, as an easy example, to Clinton. So don't come back with any
"well, you'd just like us not to ask any questions, wouldn't ya!"
response.
I'd like to ask appropriate questions. Forgive me if, after watching
the frothing at the mouth over the last month because of some crank's
unsupported assertion that Obama wasn't a natural born citizen, I'm not
too eager to jump in with the same crowd on this issue. It's a "cry
wolf" thing, think it through, you'll get there.
Well, one things for certain. Someone asked:
"OT: SCOTUS - > What now tin-foil hat wearing idiots?"
and I guess we got our answer.
You know, it's the venom and sticktoitness departments, where y'all have
Orange beat cold. Obama must be destroyed. By any means necessary. I
saw the far righties say this over and over leading into the actual
vote. I guess they were serious. If this blows over, it'll be
something else. If that doesn't pan out, it'll be something else. And
all a month before the guy even starts the job.
Of course, maybe there will be "hope" at that point. After wunderkind
George, as soon as Obama assumes the presidency, he should pretty much
be able to tell everyone to @#$% off, ignore any action or request from
Congress, and, hell, throw the loudest naysayers in Gitmo just for good
measure. After all, y'all are *terrifying* me into thinking my
soon-to-be-president is a foreign Manchurian-type that's looking to
destroy my entire way of life! You're trying to *terrify* people as a
means of adjusting our politics. Gee, that's awfully close to some
definition of something or other...
</rant > <inhale> <exhale>.
Sigh. Ok, had to get that off my chest!
Cheers
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Date: 16 Dec 2008 20:30:46
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Kyle T. Jones"
> <rant>
Get a grip, man.
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Date: 17 Dec 2008 13:44:24
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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da pickle, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 12/16/2008
8:30 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
> "Kyle T. Jones"
>
>> <rant>
>
> Get a grip, man.
>
>
Why?
Hypocrisy: rampant.
Clintonesque Witchhunt: ongoing.
It's pretty disappointing, Pickle. If we want to talk about things to
worry about with Obama, let's talk about some of his speeches. Let's
talk about the disparaging tone he gets when he talks about modern
America, and our pursuit of "nice suits, expensive cars". Let's talk
about just how deeply his "spreading the wealth" message goes.
Forget about it. I'm already talking about such with people. Just not
here. Here, we get "Obama was born in Kenya" and "Obama went to school
in BFE" threads.
You keep up the fight, pickle. You seem to be finding a nice home out
on the fringe.
Me, I won't be fooled again. I stupidly allowed myself to be drawn into
those birth certificate threads. As far as this recent lunacy about
selling his seat, well, you know what they say:
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in
Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me —
you can't get fooled again."
Cheers. Have a blast.
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Date: 17 Dec 2008 18:13:05
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Kyle T. Jones"
>>> <rant>
>>
>> Get a grip, man.
>
> Why?
>
> Hypocrisy: rampant.
>
> Clintonesque Witchhunt: ongoing.
>
> It's pretty disappointing, Pickle. If we want to talk about things to
> worry about with Obama, let's talk about some of his speeches.
Is someone stopping you from talking about Obama's speeches?
> Let's talk about the disparaging tone he gets when he talks about modern
> America, and our pursuit of "nice suits, expensive cars". Let's talk
> about just how deeply his "spreading the wealth" message goes.
Is someone stopping you from talking about ... whatever it is that you want
to talk about?
> Forget about it. I'm already talking about such with people. Just not
> here. Here, we get "Obama was born in Kenya" and "Obama went to school in
> BFE" threads.
You do not have to talk about anything you do not want to talk about, trout.
There is something very wrong about you demanding and ranting about what you
do NOT want to talk about. It is like you don't want anyone to talk about
anything that you do not want to talk about.
Get a grip.
> You keep up the fight, pickle. You seem to be finding a nice home out on
> the fringe.
Elsewhere, you seem to be finding difficulty defining what you mean by
"those guys" who seem to be synonomous with "Wall Street" ... you seem to
think that there is no value in "service people" and only "producers" should
be allowed to live.
Get a grip.
> Me, I won't be fooled again. I stupidly allowed myself to be drawn into
> those birth certificate threads. As far as this recent lunacy about
> selling his seat,
I take it you are part of the fringe that thinks that Obama had absolutely
no interest whatsoever in who was appointed to fill his seat. Did not know
anything about it. I do not know anything about whether Obama was or was
not "involved" in the selection process, but it seems a tiny bit naive to
believe he was not intimately interested.
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Date: 18 Dec 2008 08:57:04
From: Kyle T. Jones
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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da pickle, my dear, dear friend, there was this time, oh, 12/17/2008
6:13 PM or thereabouts, when you let the following craziness loose on
Usenet:
>> You keep up the fight, pickle. You seem to be finding a nice home out on
>> the fringe.
>
> Elsewhere, you seem to be finding difficulty defining what you mean by
> "those guys" who seem to be synonomous with "Wall Street" ... you seem to
> think that there is no value in "service people" and only "producers" should
> be allowed to live.
>
> Get a grip.
>
See, this is why it's pointless to talk to you these days. Put up or
shut up, pickle. Show me a single quote that backs up the bullshit you
claim I'm arguing.
You can start by finding *one* quote that even remotely indicates that I
"think that there is no value in 'service people' and only 'producers'
should be allowed to live".
You've gone round the bend, friend. Enjoy it out there on the fringe...
seems you've found your true home.
Cheers.
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Date: 18 Dec 2008 18:54:29
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Kyle T. Jones"
>> Elsewhere, you seem to be finding difficulty defining what you mean by
>> "those guys" who seem to be synonomous with "Wall Street" ... you seem to
>> think that there is no value in "service people" and only "producers"
>> should be allowed to live.
>
> You can start by finding *one* quote that even remotely indicates that I
> "think that there is no value in 'service people' and only 'producers'
> should be allowed to live".
Perhaps, I spoke too harshly ... however, lately you have been bouncing
around and diverting conversations in a way that I find quite frustrating.
As for the above, you do not seem to understand that people that provide a
service and people that produce a product are equally valuable and
necessary. The person that provides a service might not produce a product
like the farmer or shirt manufacturer, but the service worker must eat and
wear clothes.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 20:09:39
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:odWdneAF-P_nvqLU4p2dnAA@giganews.com...
> "Scott/sjakma"
>
>>> > This from ABC blogspot
>>> >
>>> > http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html
>>> >
>>> > answers and asks questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the link, Susan. Questions, indeed.
>>>
>>> I wonder if everyone asking these questions are morons and idiots?
>>>
>>> And racists.
>>
>> I agree there are questions but I think the article is poorly written.
>> Did you watch Fitzgeralds press conference today? If not, I recommend
>> watching it or reading the transcript and you will be able to find the
>> answers to many of the questions.
>
> I did not see the press conference. If you have a link, I will watch it.
>
> However, are you saying that "x says this is the answer" is all it takes
> for you to stop asking questions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuO5oUMJfTc
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 20:22:04
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Susan"
>>> I agree there are questions but I think the article is poorly written.
>>> Did you watch Fitzgeralds press conference today? If not, I recommend
>>> watching it or reading the transcript and you will be able to find the
>>> answers to many of the questions.
>>
>> I did not see the press conference. If you have a link, I will watch it.
>>
>> However, are you saying that "x says this is the answer" is all it takes
>> for you to stop asking questions?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuO5oUMJfTc
Thanks for the link, Susan. I watched. I do not see anything that
contradicts the article that you cited.
The article was much broader.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 20:06:48
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"da pickle" <jcpickels@(nospam)hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:odWdneAF-P_nvqLU4p2dnAA@giganews.com...
> "Scott/sjakma"
>
>>> > This from ABC blogspot
>>> >
>>> > http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html
>>> >
>>> > answers and asks questions.
>>>
>>> Thanks for the link, Susan. Questions, indeed.
>>>
>>> I wonder if everyone asking these questions are morons and idiots?
>>>
>>> And racists.
>>
>> I agree there are questions but I think the article is poorly written.
>> Did you watch Fitzgeralds press conference today? If not, I recommend
>> watching it or reading the transcript and you will be able to find the
>> answers to many of the questions.
>
> I did not see the press conference. If you have a link, I will watch it.
>
> However, are you saying that "x says this is the answer" is all it takes
> for you to stop asking questions?
actually scott has been more than open minded on this whole issue.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 20:09:37
From: da pickle
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Susan"
>>> I agree there are questions but I think the article is poorly written.
>>> Did you watch Fitzgeralds press conference today? If not, I recommend
>>> watching it or reading the transcript and you will be able to find the
>>> answers to many of the questions.
>>
>> I did not see the press conference. If you have a link, I will watch it.
>>
>> However, are you saying that "x says this is the answer" is all it takes
>> for you to stop asking questions?
>
> actually scott has been more than open minded on this whole issue.
I do not "know" scott that well ... I react to the words "the answers" in
situations like this.
I may have misunderstood what he meant. Perhaps, when we see the video or
read the transcript, we will have more information to ponder. (I still
doubt we will have answers.)
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 19:52:20
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Scott/sjakma" <scott@scottadams.com > wrote in message
news:ftj316xm6v.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 9 2008 8:30 PM, da pickle wrote:
>
>> "Susan"
>>
>> > This from ABC blogspot
>> >
>> > http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/12/questions-arise.html
>> >
>> > answers and asks questions.
>>
>> Thanks for the link, Susan. Questions, indeed.
>>
>> I wonder if everyone asking these questions are morons and idiots?
>>
>> And racists.
>
>
> I agree there are questions but I think the article is poorly written.
> Did you watch Fitzgeralds press conference today? If not, I recommend
> watching it or reading the transcript and you will be able to find the
> answers to many of the questions..
where can I find it?
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 14:15:36
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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<RussGeorgiev@aol.com > wrote in message
news:21130aab-aee4-4bb0-82ff-bcaf8429cc16@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>IMike, the more you open your mouth, the more ignorant you seem. You
pick a crooked Democratic politician. Hell, every week or less a
>crooked politician is nailed.Yet, you choose only the Democrats? The
Republicans are just as crooked as the Democrats, as larceny has is
>everywhere and no country, group, nation, person or other body has a
monopoly on it.
You are absolutely correct Russ, however someone has to counter orangies
"Guess which party" posts
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 17:29:10
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net > wrote in message
news:ulA%k.4556$uS1.2412@newsfe19.iad...
>
> <RussGeorgiev@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:21130aab-aee4-4bb0-82ff-bcaf8429cc16@n33g2000pri.googlegroups.com...
>>IMike, the more you open your mouth, the more ignorant you seem. You
> pick a crooked Democratic politician. Hell, every week or less a
>>crooked politician is nailed.Yet, you choose only the Democrats? The
> Republicans are just as crooked as the Democrats, as larceny has is
>>everywhere and no country, group, nation, person or other body has a
> monopoly on it.
>
>
>
> You are absolutely correct Russ, however someone has to counter orangies
> "Guess which party" posts
The real story here is that Blagojevich apparently wanted to sell the
appointment to the Senate and even though Obama had a favorite for the seat,
Obama refused to play ball.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 18:00:33
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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No, the real story is that it's another one in the Democrat column.
The Governor of New York and the governor of Illinois in a matter of
months.
This clearly indicates that Democrats should be banned from public
office.
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 01:05:48
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Travel" <nine510@webtv.net > wrote in message
news:1228868399.85901@pokermagazine.com...
> No, the real story is that it's another one in the Democrat column.
> The Governor of New York and the governor of Illinois in a matter of
> months.
Not to mention the Mayor or Detroit.
Irish Mike
>
> This clearly indicates that Democrats should be banned from public
> office.
>
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 19:37:30
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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Leave the NY governor out of this. If he was a Swallower, instead of
a Spitzer, he may not have cheated on his wife:). Would you rather
have a Spitzer or a Swallower for a wife?
On Dec 9, 4:00=EF=BF=BDpm, Travel <nine...@webtv.net > wrote:
> No, the real story is that it's another one in the Democrat column.
> The Governor of New York and the governor of Illinois in a matter of
> months.
>
> This clearly indicates that Democrats should be banned from =EF=BF=BDpubl=
ic
> office.
>
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 16:37:42
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Dec 9 2008 7:00 PM, Travel wrote:
> No, the real story is that it's another one in the Democrat column.
> The Governor of New York and the governor of Illinois in a matter of
> months.
To be fair, Spitzer was actually fighting corporate crime, and would have
been a good person to have in office during the current economic shakedown.
Blago, on the other hand, is a worthless, corrupt piece of shit, to the
core.
> This clearly indicates that Democrats should be banned from public
> office.
Clearly. Because no Republican has ever been caught doing anything illegal.
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 21:10:20
From: Travel
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"ChrisRobin" Usenet Poster
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On Dec 9 2008 7:00 PM, Travel wrote:
> No, the real story is that it's another one in the Democrat column.
> The Governor of New York and the governor of Illinois in a matter of
> months.
To be fair, Spitzer was actually fighting corporate crime, and would
have
been a good person to have in office during the current economic
shakedown.
Blago, on the other hand, is a worthless, corrupt piece of shit, to the
core.
> This clearly indicates that Democrats should be banned from public
> office.
Clearly. Because no Republican has ever been caught doing anything
illegal.
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"To be fair" he says ? Lol, Spitzer was a raving egomaniac and unfit
for office.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 16:58:26
From: Scott/sjakma
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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> Clearly. Because no Republican has ever been caught doing anything illegal.
LOL.. Maybe Blago will be able to share a jail cell with the previous
Governor(Republican) from Illinois.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 11:01:28
From: thepixelfreak
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On 2008-12-09 10:21:37 -0800, "Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > said:
> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
Just because you say so. Right? You are a moron.
--
thepixelfreak
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 10:39:13
From: Scott/sjakma
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Dec 9 2008 1:21 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>
Wrong.. There is no love between Blago & Obama. You have absolutely no
clue about Illinois & Chicago politics... Blago had a very poor
relationship with Democrats in the state and was closely aligned with many
Republicans.
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 12:17:01
From:
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On 9 Dec, 15:50, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "Scott/sjakma" <sc...@scottadams.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hjq216xjvr.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> > On Dec 9 2008 1:21 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> >> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
> >> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>
> > Wrong.. There is no love between Blago & Obama. =EF=BF=BD You have abso=
lutely no
> > clue about Illinois & Chicago politics... =EF=BF=BDBlago had a very poo=
r
> > relationship with Democrats in the state and was closely aligned with m=
any
> > Republicans.
>
> Well that's probably why the Democrats elected him Goveneror.
>
> Irish Mike
you supose there were not repuke's in that 72% of the vote?
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 11:58:32
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Dec 9, 11:50=A0am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "Scott/sjakma" <sc...@scottadams.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hjq216xjvr.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> > On Dec 9 2008 1:21 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> >> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
> >> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>
> > Wrong.. There is no love between Blago & Obama. =A0 You have absolutely=
no
> > clue about Illinois & Chicago politics... =A0Blago had a very poor
> > relationship with Democrats in the state and was closely aligned with m=
any
> > Republicans.
>
> Well that's probably why the Democrats elected him Goveneror.
This is shocking. Illinois hasn't had a governor indicted since...
their previous governor, George Ryan, a Republican. I believe he's
still doing time.
- Bob T.
>
> Irish Mike
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 14:50:29
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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"Scott/sjakma" <scott@scottadams.com > wrote in message
news:hjq216xjvr.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 9 2008 1:21 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
>> machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
>>
>
> Wrong.. There is no love between Blago & Obama. You have absolutely no
> clue about Illinois & Chicago politics... Blago had a very poor
> relationship with Democrats in the state and was closely aligned with many
> Republicans.
Well that's probably why the Democrats elected him Goveneror.
Irish Mike
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Date: 09 Dec 2008 10:55:46
From: Scott/sjakma
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Dec 9 2008 1:39 PM, Scott/sjakma wrote:
> On Dec 9 2008 1:21 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
> > machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
> >
>
> Wrong.. There is no love between Blago & Obama. You have absolutely no
> clue about Illinois & Chicago politics... Blago had a very poor
> relationship with Democrats in the state and was closely aligned with many
> Republicans.
Check out the link below and the section on his relationships..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Blagojevich
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 04:34:21
From: chandler
Subject: Re: Crooked Democrat nailed!
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On Dec 9 2008 1:55 PM, Scott/sjakma wrote:
> On Dec 9 2008 1:39 PM, Scott/sjakma wrote:
>
> > On Dec 9 2008 1:21 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> > > Just another crooked Democrat from the same corrupt Chicago political
> > > machine that manufactured Barak "The Messiah" Obama.
> > >
> >
> > Wrong.. There is no love between Blago & Obama. You have absolutely no
> > clue about Illinois & Chicago politics... Blago had a very poor
> > relationship with Democrats in the state and was closely aligned with many
> > Republicans.
>
>
> Check out the link below and the section on his relationships..
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Blagojevich
I had no idea he clerked for Fast Eddie. The world comes into order. All
is clear;-) The boy burned a lot of bridges and was pretty short on
friends even before the arrest. A whole bunch of folks were gunning for
his job.
Chandler
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