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Date: 25 Dec 2008 08:14:03
From: MMelia
Subject: Chip burning
This is the very first hand of a SNG. Should I have called the flop raise
or just let the hand go?

PokerStars Game #23236471168: Tournament #129378952, $1.00+$0.20 Holdem No
Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/12/25 8:15:47 ET
Table 129378952 1 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: diversue (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: mmelia (1500 in chips)
Seat 3: Aljazek (1500 in chips)
Seat 4: JU571N (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: valee56 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: 11dt (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: MadHand87 (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: gonzotheg (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: bubbalious (1500 in chips)
mmelia: posts small blind 10
Aljazek: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to mmelia [Qh Qd]
JU571N: folds
valee56: folds
11dt: folds
MadHand87: calls 20
gonzotheg: raises 20 to 40
bubbalious: calls 40
diversue: folds
mmelia: raises 80 to 120
Aljazek: folds
MadHand87: folds
gonzotheg: calls 80
bubbalious: calls 80
*** FLOP *** [Kc Ts 7s]
mmelia: bets 200
gonzotheg: raises 200 to 400
bubbalious: folds
mmelia: calls 200
*** TURN *** [Kc Ts 7s] [4s]
mmelia: checks
gonzotheg: checks
*** RIVER *** [Kc Ts 7s 4s] [6c]
mmelia: checks
gonzotheg: bets 500
mmelia: folds
Uncalled bet (500) returned to gonzotheg
gonzotheg collected 1200 from pot
gonzotheg: doesnt show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1200




 
Date: 25 Dec 2008 08:55:46
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Chip burning
On Dec 25 2008 10:14 AM, MMelia wrote:

> This is the very first hand of a SNG. Should I have called the flop raise
> or just let the hand go?
>
> PokerStars Game #23236471168: Tournament #129378952, $1.00+$0.20 Holdem No
> Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2008/12/25 8:15:47 ET
> Table 129378952 1 9-max Seat #1 is the button
> Seat 1: diversue (1500 in chips)
> Seat 2: mmelia (1500 in chips)
> Seat 3: Aljazek (1500 in chips)
> Seat 4: JU571N (1500 in chips)
> Seat 5: valee56 (1500 in chips)
> Seat 6: 11dt (1500 in chips)
> Seat 7: MadHand87 (1500 in chips)
> Seat 8: gonzotheg (1500 in chips)
> Seat 9: bubbalious (1500 in chips)
> mmelia: posts small blind 10
> Aljazek: posts big blind 20
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to mmelia [Qh Qd]
> JU571N: folds
> valee56: folds
> 11dt: folds
> MadHand87: calls 20
> gonzotheg: raises 20 to 40
> bubbalious: calls 40
> diversue: folds
> mmelia: raises 80 to 120

I'd raise much more here. Somewhere someone wrote that a raise of 3x the
previous bet is good, and for some reason everyone takes that as gospel.
Make it something ridiculous like 400 here and call a push. The shit
people will get in with here is ridiculous.

Once you saw the K high flop and got min raised you either need to push or
fold. I'd just fold there playing it the way you did.

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Morphy
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Date: 25 Dec 2008 15:20:29
From: Joe Long
Subject: Re: Chip burning
XaQ Morphy wrote:
> On Dec 25 2008 10:14 AM, MMelia wrote:
>
>> This is the very first hand of a SNG. Should I have called the flop raise
>> or just let the hand go?

> I'd raise much more here. Somewhere someone wrote that a raise of 3x the
> previous bet is good, and for some reason everyone takes that as gospel.
> Make it something ridiculous like 400 here and call a push. The shit
> people will get in with here is ridiculous.

I agree. With a minraise and a call, you want to raise by at least the
amount of the pot. You want to keep everyone else out and either get
heads-up or take the pot without a flop. You don't know anything about
the other players yet and the only hands you have to fear getting all-in
against is AA or KK, both of which are unlikely.

Also, with a bigger raise, in a one-dollar SNG you are likely to get a
push from all kinds of hands, which you will happily call.

> Once you saw the K high flop and got min raised you either need to push or
> fold. I'd just fold there playing it the way you did.

Your flop bet was too small. Regardless, the same player minraised that
minraised and then called before the flop. If he's drawing to a
straight or flush you want to get him out now. If you push, he risks
elimination on the first hand to call you. So push. It's a one-dollar
SNG, if he calls you'll either double up and be in great position or go
on to the next one.


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Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range