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Date: 27 Jan 2009 07:43:26
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Calling the clock on a player
In a tough decison, facing a large bet, i would never call the clock, even
if a player took over 5 mins. But it tilts me when a player takes even a
minute to make an easy call/fold.

I was playing live last night, this kid buys in for $60. I jus lost two
big pots so i was down about 500 and trying to claw my way back to
even.The flop is 3 4 5 , its checked around, one guy bets like 12, kid
min-raising to 24, the other guy instantly puts him all in. So the kid jus
sits there for a minute looking into space, Then the questions start, Do u
really have a str8t? Will u show me if i fold? All this for a 30 dollar
bet. After 2 mins i couldnt take it and i called clock and the floor was
called over. The kid was like " dude are u serious , u have no class" i
was like why dont u go play 2/4 ur wasting our time by taking up a seat.
Anyone think i was in the wrong?

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:44:46
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player

"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:ulm356xhma.ln2@recgroups.com...
> In a tough decison, facing a large bet, i would never call the clock, even
> if a player took over 5 mins. But it tilts me when a player takes even a
> minute to make an easy call/fold.
>
> I was playing live last night, this kid buys in for $60. I jus lost two
> big pots so i was down about 500 and trying to claw my way back to
> even.The flop is 3 4 5 , its checked around, one guy bets like 12, kid
> min-raising to 24, the other guy instantly puts him all in. So the kid jus
> sits there for a minute looking into space, Then the questions start, Do u
> really have a str8t? Will u show me if i fold? All this for a 30 dollar
> bet. After 2 mins i couldnt take it and i called clock and the floor was
> called over. The kid was like " dude are u serious , u have no class" i
> was like why dont u go play 2/4 ur wasting our time by taking up a seat.
> Anyone think i was in the wrong?



I don't. But then again, I don't think I've ever taken more than one minute
on any poker decision. I've never really understood why guys go all bugshit
when someone calls the clock on them. Fuck'em, I say. In any normal cash
game, any player should be able to make a decision in under a minute and two
minutes is just extra time. I can see exceptions in big tournaments when
life changing money is at stake but in your scenario the kid should have
just not said anything.

The last time I've seen the clock was at The Cherokee Casino in Tulsa about
a year ago in a 5-10 NLHE game. I had just taken a beat and was down to
only about 250 and got QQ on the next hand. I raised it to 40, there was
another raise to 140 (this player wanted to isolate me) but got a call and
then I went all-in with two callers. The flop was something like 4-5-9.
The re-raiser then went all-in for about another 900 and the original caller
went into the tank and of course I was all-in so I just sat there.

This guy just thinks and thinks and thinks. Rightly so, since the player
that went all-in was tight and solid and my own read was that he had top
set. The player that went all-in on the flop and I just sat there watching
this other player agonize over the decision. I wasn't going to say anything
and neither was the all-in player (he was a regular there and had the
patience of Job). But, a player not in the hand piped up after about two
minutes and asked the dealer how long the guy had to make a decision. The
dealer just said a reasonable time. Another minute goes by. The player not
in the hand pipes up again and asks for a clock. Guy goes batshit, of
course. "How can you do that? Don't you see how much money this is? I'd
never do that to you! This is a big decision!" Blah blah blah.

The floor came with the clock and during the 10-second countdown the guy
actually called the bet. He had 44 for bottom set and of course the other
player had 99 for top set. Alas, no queen for me.




 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 09:43:30
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27 2009 8:43 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> In a tough decison, facing a large bet, i would never call the clock, even
> if a player took over 5 mins. But it tilts me when a player takes even a
> minute to make an easy call/fold.
>
> I was playing live last night, this kid buys in for $60. I jus lost two
> big pots so i was down about 500 and trying to claw my way back to
> even.The flop is 3 4 5 , its checked around, one guy bets like 12, kid
> min-raising to 24, the other guy instantly puts him all in. So the kid jus
> sits there for a minute looking into space, Then the questions start, Do u
> really have a str8t? Will u show me if i fold? All this for a 30 dollar
> bet. After 2 mins i couldnt take it and i called clock and the floor was
> called over. The kid was like " dude are u serious , u have no class"

The "dude are u serious" was when I finally figured out this was a
copy/paste job. Well played.

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:26:32
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27 2009 11:43 AM, Jason Pawloski wrote:

> The "dude are u serious" was when I finally figured out this was a
> copy/paste job. Well played.

Are u serious? I say dude are u serious all the time!

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:39:24
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
> Are u serious? I say dude are u serious all the time!

I realized something was not right when he said he played live yesterday.
He doesn't play live! Shit the man was staying at the MGM and played PS
on his laptop in his room.

Well that and the fact I was on the rail watching him final table a LHE
tourney yesterday.

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:44:53
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27 2009 12:39 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> I realized something was not right when he said he played live yesterday.
> He doesn't play live! Shit the man was staying at the MGM and played PS
> on his laptop in his room.

Yeah I admit that. I did order $80 worth of room service if that helps.

> Well that and the fact I was on the rail watching him final table a LHE
> tourney yesterday.

Yeah I wrote the post up last week and forgot to change the "yesterday"
part. Sorry!

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 09:22:00
From:
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27, 9:43=A0am, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> In a tough decison, facing a large bet, i would never call the clock, eve=
n
> if a player took over 5 mins. But it tilts me when a player takes even a
> minute to make an easy call/fold.
>
> I was playing live last night, this kid buys in for $60. I jus lost two
> big pots so i was down about 500 and trying to claw my way back to
> even.The flop is 3 4 5 , its checked around, one guy bets like 12, kid
> min-raising to 24, the other guy instantly puts him all in. So the kid ju=
s
> sits there for a minute looking into space, Then the questions start, Do =
u
> really have a str8t? Will u show me if i fold? All this for a 30 dollar
> bet. After 2 mins i couldnt take it and i called clock and the floor was
> called over. The kid was like " dude are u serious , u have no class" i
> was like why dont u go play 2/4 ur wasting our time by taking up a seat.
> Anyone think i was in the wrong?
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =A0--igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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Oh, look at me! I lost two big pots, so I'm going to call the clock
on someone whenever they slow the play down!


  
Date: 28 Jan 2009 10:20:12
From: ZRat
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27, 1:08=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 27 2009 12:54 PM, ZRat wrote:
>
> > Where were you playing that was 3 hours away?
>
> Dude are u serious? =A0This place that was like 3 hours away from my hous=
e. =A0
>
> On another note, where have you been lately? =A0Things ok I hope?
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =A0--igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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reading and not posting (not that I did much anyway). Things are ok,
just busy. I don't play online anymore (aside from the insane
astronomy freerolls on stars once in a while). I took to playing live
a bit more, and our "home game" got started up again.

I was just curious where you were playing since I know you are not
fond of Potawatomi, and the GB and Chicago area is closer than 3
hours. That leaves Iowa, or the dells that I know of.



   
Date: 28 Jan 2009 10:54:56
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 28 2009 12:20 PM, ZRat wrote:

> I was just curious where you were playing since I know you are not
> fond of Potawatomi, and the GB and Chicago area is closer than 3
> hours. That leaves Iowa, or the dells that I know of.

Glad to see you're still out there, hope all is well.

Umm, only answer I have for this is that the guy who posted the OP to 2+2
said he drove 3 hours to the place he went to call the clock on the guy.
JP wins again!

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:07:47
From:
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27, 12:59=A0pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 27 2009 12:44 PM, trangers16 wrote:
>
> > Just because you dont play live often doesnt mean you get to be a d-
> > bag and call the clock for a 2 minute decision. =A0Now, if he slowrolle=
d
> > you, then calling the clock could be seen as getting back at him or
> > something, which imo is not as bad.
>
> He ended up folding his hand face up when the clock got down to 5 secs.
>
> A few hands later he raised to something like 6 dollars. I called with 77=
.
> Flop came down 5 5 5 . he checked to me, i went all in for his remaing 20
> something dollars. He did a phil helmuth style call, and turned over his
> AA, like he trapped me for such a huge pot. The turn came another 7, and
> on the river i shook my head and slow rolled him turning over my 77 lol
>
> ---
> Morphy
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>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =A0--igotskillz
>
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> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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So, you call the clock on someone, then slowroll them later? You sir
are going to hell.


  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:54:58
From: ZRat
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player

> I don't think this is fair. =A0I don't get to play live very often and wh=
en
> I do it's a big ordeal. =A0I had to drive about 3 hours to get to this pl=
ace
> and then wait in line and when I do that I want to get as many hands in a=
s
> possible. =A0I don't need some idiot sitting there asking 20 questions wh=
en
> it's an obvious call/fold situation!
>
> ---
> Morphy

Where were you playing that was 3 hours away?

Z


   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 11:08:46
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27 2009 12:54 PM, ZRat wrote:

> Where were you playing that was 3 hours away?

Dude are u serious? This place that was like 3 hours away from my house.

On another note, where have you been lately? Things ok I hope?

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:44:34
From:
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27, 11:31=A0am, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 27 2009 11:22 AM, trangers16 wrote:
>
> > Oh, look at me! =A0I lost two big pots, so I'm going to call the clock
> > on someone whenever they slow the play down!
>
> I don't think this is fair. =A0I don't get to play live very often and wh=
en
> I do it's a big ordeal. =A0I had to drive about 3 hours to get to this pl=
ace
> and then wait in line and when I do that I want to get as many hands in a=
s
> possible. =A0I don't need some idiot sitting there asking 20 questions wh=
en
> it's an obvious call/fold situation!
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =A0--igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
> _____________________________________________________________________=A0
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Just because you dont play live often doesnt mean you get to be a d-
bag and call the clock for a 2 minute decision. Now, if he slowrolled
you, then calling the clock could be seen as getting back at him or
something, which imo is not as bad.


   
Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:59:52
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27 2009 12:44 PM, trangers16 wrote:

> Just because you dont play live often doesnt mean you get to be a d-
> bag and call the clock for a 2 minute decision. Now, if he slowrolled
> you, then calling the clock could be seen as getting back at him or
> something, which imo is not as bad.

He ended up folding his hand face up when the clock got down to 5 secs.

A few hands later he raised to something like 6 dollars. I called with 77.
Flop came down 5 5 5 . he checked to me, i went all in for his remaing 20
something dollars. He did a phil helmuth style call, and turned over his
AA, like he trapped me for such a huge pot. The turn came another 7, and
on the river i shook my head and slow rolled him turning over my 77 lol

---
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 11:27:51
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
>The turn came another 7, and
> on the river i shook my head and slow rolled him turning over my 77 lol

You will burn in hell. Slowrolling is NEVER a funny thing. I play
fucking 3-6LHE and tilt when someone slowrolls me.

FUCKERS~!

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 09:31:58
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27 2009 11:22 AM, trangers16 wrote:

> Oh, look at me! I lost two big pots, so I'm going to call the clock
> on someone whenever they slow the play down!

I don't think this is fair. I don't get to play live very often and when
I do it's a big ordeal. I had to drive about 3 hours to get to this place
and then wait in line and when I do that I want to get as many hands in as
possible. I don't need some idiot sitting there asking 20 questions when
it's an obvious call/fold situation!

---
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:25:35
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27 2009 12:31 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Jan 27 2009 11:22 AM, trangers16 wrote:
>
> > Oh, look at me! I lost two big pots, so I'm going to call the clock
> > on someone whenever they slow the play down!
>
> I don't think this is fair. I don't get to play live very often and when
> I do it's a big ordeal. I had to drive about 3 hours to get to this place
> and then wait in line and when I do that I want to get as many hands in as
> possible. I don't need some idiot sitting there asking 20 questions when
> it's an obvious call/fold situation!


Let's see ---

1. You say you want to play live, then you whine when playing live about
having to face the most common characteristic of live games.

Are you sure you want to play live games?

2. You ask a question then whine when someone answers your question.

Are you sure you should ask questions?

At least you're consistent in your tendencies to whine.

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:33:53
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27 2009 12:25 PM, garycarson wrote:

> Let's see ---
>
> 1. You say you want to play live, then you whine when playing live about
> having to face the most common characteristic of live games.
>
> Are you sure you want to play live games?
>
> 2. You ask a question then whine when someone answers your question.
>
> Are you sure you should ask questions?
>
> At least you're consistent in your tendencies to whine.

Yeah I can see how you wouldn't be annoyed at the kid who thinks it's the
WPT and he's making a bazillion dollar call. You would probably be
scrambling to try and find loose change on the floor to pay for your
incoming grilled cheese sandwich.

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:42:25
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
> Yeah I can see how you wouldn't be annoyed at the kid who thinks it's the
> WPT and he's making a bazillion dollar call. You would probably be
> scrambling to try and find loose change on the floor to pay for your
> incoming grilled cheese sandwich.

I thought it was called a 'bologna on hand' sandwich?

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 09:17:13
From: idjut
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
Would you of had more patience if you were winning $500 instead of losing
$500 and decide to let it slide?

If your answer is yes, then maybe you should not have called the clock on
him.


On Jan 27 2009 9:43 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> In a tough decison, facing a large bet, i would never call the clock, even
> if a player took over 5 mins. But it tilts me when a player takes even a
> minute to make an easy call/fold.
>
> I was playing live last night, this kid buys in for $60. I jus lost two
> big pots so i was down about 500 and trying to claw my way back to
> even.The flop is 3 4 5 , its checked around, one guy bets like 12, kid
> min-raising to 24, the other guy instantly puts him all in. So the kid jus
> sits there for a minute looking into space, Then the questions start, Do u
> really have a str8t? Will u show me if i fold? All this for a 30 dollar
> bet. After 2 mins i couldnt take it and i called clock and the floor was
> called over. The kid was like " dude are u serious , u have no class" i
> was like why dont u go play 2/4 ur wasting our time by taking up a seat.
> Anyone think i was in the wrong?
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 09:14:05
From: pokertank.us
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27, 9:43=A0am, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> In a tough decison, facing a large bet, i would never call the clock, eve=
n
> if a player took over 5 mins. But it tilts me when a player takes even a
> minute to make an easy call/fold.
>
> I was playing live last night, this kid buys in for $60. I jus lost two
> big pots so i was down about 500 and trying to claw my way back to
> even.The flop is 3 4 5 , its checked around, one guy bets like 12, kid
> min-raising to 24, the other guy instantly puts him all in. So the kid ju=
s
> sits there for a minute looking into space, Then the questions start, Do =
u
> really have a str8t? Will u show me if i fold? All this for a 30 dollar
> bet. After 2 mins i couldnt take it and i called clock and the floor was
> called over. The kid was like " dude are u serious , u have no class" i
> was like why dont u go play 2/4 ur wasting our time by taking up a seat.
> Anyone think i was in the wrong?
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" =A0--igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra
>
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In a cash game, such as this, I probably wouldn't call clock first
time. After the first hand, I would make a comment about the length
of time, and warn him that I'll call clock the next time. First, he
has a warning, and you don't tilt him in a hand you're not a part of.
A peeve of mine is when someone involves themself in a hand they are
not a part of. I had a guy threaten my opponent with the clock,
saying, "come on dude, pot odds say you have to call, what are you
thinking about?" I was on a bluff, and the guy, who clearly appeared
to be ready to fold, said, "I guess you're right, I call...".

Secondly, I might tilt him a bit toward me, and will be able to take
his micro-stack later on, when he guns for me.

If in a tourney, especially with short rounds, I would probably call
clock first time.

- Hank


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Date: 27 Jan 2009 08:28:26
From: ppdls
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27 2009 3:43 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> In a tough decison, facing a large bet, i would never call the clock, even
> if a player took over 5 mins. But it tilts me when a player takes even a
> minute to make an easy call/fold.
>
> I was playing live last night, this kid buys in for $60. I jus lost two
> big pots so i was down about 500 and trying to claw my way back to
> even.The flop is 3 4 5 , its checked around, one guy bets like 12, kid
> min-raising to 24, the other guy instantly puts him all in. So the kid jus
> sits there for a minute looking into space, Then the questions start, Do u
> really have a str8t? Will u show me if i fold? All this for a 30 dollar
> bet. After 2 mins i couldnt take it and i called clock and the floor was
> called over. The kid was like " dude are u serious , u have no class" i
> was like why dont u go play 2/4 ur wasting our time by taking up a seat.
> Anyone think i was in the wrong?
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
>
> "I think they are mad that i am borderline psycho" --igotskillz
>
> "It's unfortunate that there are loons on both sides completely
> obfuscating what's going on." --Official RGP Mantra


I feel your pain - my personal peeve is when players take an age to fold
pre-flop when there isn't even a player already in the pot in front of
them. This is in low buyin tourneys with 15 minute levels - sometime if
there is more than one of these idiots at my table it can reduce the hands
played per level to 4 or 5 which is just crazy. I am sure it comes from
watching poker on TV too much.

I can't imagine any hand that I even MIGHT fold pre-flop ever taking me 5
seconds to decide when there is nobody else in the hand yet.

ppdls

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 07:58:54
From: Howard Beale
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27 2009 8:43 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> In a tough decison, facing a large bet, i would never call the clock, even
> if a player took over 5 mins. But it tilts me when a player takes even a
> minute to make an easy call/fold.
>
> I was playing live last night, this kid buys in for $60. I jus lost two
> big pots so i was down about 500 and trying to claw my way back to
> even.The flop is 3 4 5 , its checked around, one guy bets like 12, kid
> min-raising to 24, the other guy instantly puts him all in. So the kid jus
> sits there for a minute looking into space, Then the questions start, Do u
> really have a str8t? Will u show me if i fold? All this for a 30 dollar
> bet. After 2 mins i couldnt take it and i called clock and the floor was
> called over. The kid was like " dude are u serious , u have no class" i
> was like why dont u go play 2/4 ur wasting our time by taking up a seat.
> Anyone think i was in the wrong?


You prefer NL and that is one of the 'joys' of NL. Personally, if NL
wipes out limit and I have to switch I know what the tortures are going
in. There's nothing you can do about the posturing, the incredibly lame
questioning (thanks a lot DN) and the far fewer hands you get playing
live. The only consolation is if you're far better than the others you
will clean up but is so much less fun than limit where a good player will
also clean up.

Here's what tilts me the most about NL. When somebody gets all-in
somebody is bound to say 'GL all-in'. WTF is w/ that? If he's all-in
against me I don't want him to have GL or anyone else to either.


Howard Beale

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 11:06:41
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27 2009 9:58 AM, Howard Beale wrote:

> Here's what tilts me the most about NL. When somebody gets all-in
> somebody is bound to say 'GL all-in'. WTF is w/ that? If he's all-in
> against me I don't want him to have GL or anyone else to either.

Before they closed up shop forever and ran off with everyone's money,
JetSet poker used to be the most tilt inducing thing I've ever come
across. The site was a bit similar to FullTilt with cartoonish face
avatars. I was the old lady of course, and it never failed to amuse me
when people would actually try to insult me based on my avatar. "Shut up
you old prune" etc.

Anyway, JetSet had hotkey macros set up. I can't remember all of them,
but I know there was Nice Hand! Thank You! Good Luck! and something
else. F1-F4 and you're all set. Oh, and the chat shows up as comic
bubbles coming from the avatar of the player.

The site also had the worst players in the world. So you're in a tourney,
someone in EP raises, you get AK and jam. Before it gets anywhere near
the EP player there's at least 3 "Good Luck!" bubbles on the table. Then
the fucker calls with QTo, board comes AK33J, you bust, and the entire
table fills up with "Nice Hand!" and then of course a single "Thank You!".


Man I need to go break something just thinking of that. I was like, dude
are u serious?

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:50:53
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player

"Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:uin356xppa.ln2@recgroups.com...


> Here's what tilts me the most about NL. When somebody gets all-in
> somebody is bound to say 'GL all-in'. WTF is w/ that? If he's all-in
> against me I don't want him to have GL or anyone else to either.


LOL...that is irritating and someone always says it.

I remember one dealer who, before he dealt the river card, would say, "Here
comes the hurt." I liked it because it always was the hurt for someone and
sometimes the player who was hurt would react to it because the dealer said
it, kind of like a dealer-induced tell.




  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:00:06
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player

"Howard Beale" <a1695@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:uin356xppa.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 27 2009 8:43 AM, XaQ Morphy wrote:
>
>> In a tough decison, facing a large bet, i would never call the clock,
>> even
>> if a player took over 5 mins. But it tilts me when a player takes even a
>> minute to make an easy call/fold.
>>
>> I was playing live last night, this kid buys in for $60. I jus lost two
>> big pots so i was down about 500 and trying to claw my way back to
>> even.The flop is 3 4 5 , its checked around, one guy bets like 12, kid
>> min-raising to 24, the other guy instantly puts him all in. So the kid
>> jus
>> sits there for a minute looking into space, Then the questions start, Do
>> u
>> really have a str8t? Will u show me if i fold? All this for a 30 dollar
>> bet. After 2 mins i couldnt take it and i called clock and the floor was
>> called over. The kid was like " dude are u serious , u have no class" i
>> was like why dont u go play 2/4 ur wasting our time by taking up a seat.
>> Anyone think i was in the wrong?
>
>
> You prefer NL and that is one of the 'joys' of NL. Personally, if NL
> wipes out limit and I have to switch I know what the tortures are going
> in. There's nothing you can do about the posturing, the incredibly lame
> questioning (thanks a lot DN) and the far fewer hands you get playing
> live. The only consolation is if you're far better than the others you
> will clean up but is so much less fun than limit where a good player will
> also clean up.
>
> Here's what tilts me the most about NL. When somebody gets all-in
> somebody is bound to say 'GL all-in'. WTF is w/ that? If he's all-in
> against me I don't want him to have GL or anyone else to either.
>
>
> Howard Beale

I much prefer limit cash games. I believe they give a bigger edge to a good
player because you have to play more hands to the river. Limit games also
reduce the luck factor of a weaker player just pushing all in. In additon,
limit games tend to move faster and you have fewer players sitting there
asking dim-witted questions before they act. However, in tournaments it's
just the opposite. I much prefer playing no limit tournaments.

Irish Mike




 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:57:12
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player

"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:ulm356xhma.ln2@recgroups.com...
> In a tough decison, facing a large bet, i would never call the clock, even
> if a player took over 5 mins. But it tilts me when a player takes even a
> minute to make an easy call/fold.
>
> I was playing live last night, this kid buys in for $60. I jus lost two
> big pots so i was down about 500 and trying to claw my way back to
> even.The flop is 3 4 5 , its checked around, one guy bets like 12, kid
> min-raising to 24, the other guy instantly puts him all in. So the kid jus
> sits there for a minute looking into space, Then the questions start, Do u
> really have a str8t? Will u show me if i fold? All this for a 30 dollar
> bet. After 2 mins i couldnt take it and i called clock and the floor was
> called over. The kid was like " dude are u serious , u have no class" i
> was like why dont u go play 2/4 ur wasting our time by taking up a seat.
> Anyone think i was in the wrong?
>
> ---
> Morphy

I've never called a clock on a player althouth I've been sorely tempted.
Personally, I don't mind a player taking a little time to make a decison,
especially if it's all-in or for big money. I don't even mind if they ask
their opponent one or two questions. However, some players take both to the
extreme and that can be irritating. The other thing to consider is that
some players go completely on tilt when a clock is called on them. So, for
me, it's just a case-by-case situation.

Irish Mike




  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 09:07:19
From: Arlo-Payne
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player
On Jan 27 2009 8:57 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ulm356xhma.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > In a tough decison, facing a large bet, i would never call the clock, even
> > if a player took over 5 mins. But it tilts me when a player takes even a
> > minute to make an easy call/fold.
> >
> > I was playing live last night, this kid buys in for $60. I jus lost two
> > big pots so i was down about 500 and trying to claw my way back to
> > even.The flop is 3 4 5 , its checked around, one guy bets like 12, kid
> > min-raising to 24, the other guy instantly puts him all in. So the kid jus
> > sits there for a minute looking into space, Then the questions start, Do u
> > really have a str8t? Will u show me if i fold? All this for a 30 dollar
> > bet. After 2 mins i couldnt take it and i called clock and the floor was
> > called over. The kid was like " dude are u serious , u have no class" i
> > was like why dont u go play 2/4 ur wasting our time by taking up a seat.
> > Anyone think i was in the wrong?
> >
> > ---
> > Morphy
>
> I've never called a clock on a player althouth I've been sorely tempted.
> Personally, I don't mind a player taking a little time to make a decison,
> especially if it's all-in or for big money. I don't even mind if they ask
> their opponent one or two questions. However, some players take both to the
> extreme and that can be irritating. The other thing to consider is that
> some players go completely on tilt when a clock is called on them. So, for
> me, it's just a case-by-case situation.
>
> Irish Mike

In over 30 years of playing I have NEVER taken more than a three minutes
to decide what to do with a hand and that would be a final table hand or a
pot larger than 10K. I also am sure I have taken that long in fewer than
6 hands. It would be very rare for me to take more than a minute to
decide even on the most complex of hands. If I don't know what to do with
a hand after 45 seconds it is pretty clear the hand belongs in the muck.
In 99% of the hands I have my play pretty much decided long before the
action gets to me. I have already decided what I plan to do if a given
player bets or checks based on my read of each player during his review of
the card just dealt..
If a player takes more than a minute more than twice on hands that clearly
should not take that long I will first ask him to speed up his play then
if he takes more than a minute on another hand that clearly did not
require that much time for him to decide I will start calling the clock on
him. This of course is based on seeing his hand at the end of action.
TV poker is the cause of this new level of slow play. You will not see
many long time players take so much time Doyle as an example.
I know there are clearly times where a player needs time to decide what to
do and they should be given the time. That said there are also times when
a players play should be very clear and his action should be almost
instant. Players that take almost a minute every hand need to be shot and
their TV taken away.

I hate when players start asking a ton of questions. They think it is
cool because they see it on TV. In 95% of these players they could not
read another player in the first place. Just like the ones that ask time
and time again how much a player has left when it is very clear what the
have say two stacks of red in a little game.
Way to many new players pull this shit with no real reason to do it except
the see it done on TV. In general I would say 90% of the players you see
these days are not able to read other players at all unless the player
jumps out of his chair when a card hits the board LOL.

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:52:45
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Calling the clock on a player

"Arlo-Payne" <arlo_payne@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:7jr356xdjb.ln2@recgroups.com...


> In over 30 years of playing I have NEVER taken more than a three minutes
> to decide what to do with a hand and that would be a final table hand or a
> pot larger than 10K. I also am sure I have taken that long in fewer than
> 6 hands. It would be very rare for me to take more than a minute to
> decide even on the most complex of hands. If I don't know what to do with
> a hand after 45 seconds it is pretty clear the hand belongs in the muck.
> In 99% of the hands I have my play pretty much decided long before the
> action gets to me. I have already decided what I plan to do if a given
> player bets or checks based on my read of each player during his review of
> the card just dealt..
> If a player takes more than a minute more than twice on hands that clearly
> should not take that long I will first ask him to speed up his play then
> if he takes more than a minute on another hand that clearly did not
> require that much time for him to decide I will start calling the clock on
> him.



Totally agree. I'd say 99% of the time I take less than 30 seconds to make
a decision and have taken longer than one minute no more than 10 times.