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Date: 10 Dec 2008 10:00:38
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Berg Vs. Obama
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20217597&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 10:17:06
From: ramashiva
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10, 10:00=A0am, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:

> http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=3D20217597&BRD=3D2737&PAG=
...

Kevin, seriously. This is batshit insane nutcase territory.

Give it up and find something more constructive to think about.


William Coleman (ramashiva)



  
Date: 23 Dec 2008 09:44:03
From: sgallagher@rogers.com
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10, 3:30=A0pm, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
> On Dec 10 2008 3:13 PM, thepixelfreak wrote:
>
> > On 2008-12-10 11:05:04 -0800, "La =A0Cosa =A0Nostradamus"
> > <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid> said:
>
> > > Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
>
> > > he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
> > > there.
>
> > Huh? This is the most fucked up, insanely flawed logic to date out of
> > your moronic pie-hole.
> > --
>
> what do you not understand ?
>
> Indonesian schools did not accept non-citizens.

So, when his step father enrolled him at school he was asked if Obama
was an Indonesian citizen, and his stepfather said yes.


  
Date: 23 Dec 2008 09:30:54
From: sgallagher@rogers.com
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10, 2:05=A0pm, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
> Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
>
> he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
> there.
>
> Obama would have had to relinquish US citizenship to do that.

In what manner would have have had to relinquish citizenship? By
that, I mean did he (or his mother) have to:

1) Swear to Indonesian officials that he hereby relinquished his US
citizenship?

or

2) Go to the US consulate and formally relinquish US citizenship in
accordance with US law.

Answer 1 would not cause loss of US citizenship. Answer 2 would not
have been permitted because he was too young.

>
> Did he reapply for US citizenship ?
>
> not that I am aware of.

That's because it was never lost.


  
Date: 23 Dec 2008 09:25:03
From: sgallagher@rogers.com
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 23, 8:42=A0am, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
> hey, it's great that you refer to other people and other countries
>
> Unfortunately for a shill like you
>
> INDONESIA DID NOT ALLOW DUAL CITIZENSHIP AT THAT TIME.
>

It doesn't matter whether Indonesia allowed it or not. Only US law
matters as to whether or not Obama is a US citizen.


  
Date: 23 Dec 2008 05:48:06
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 23, 5:42=A0am, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
> hey, it's great that you refer to other people and other countries
>
> Unfortunately for a shill like you
>
> INDONESIA DID NOT ALLOW DUAL CITIZENSHIP AT THAT TIME.
>
> i didnt read the rest of your post since basically you are a damage
> control puke who says anything you can that sounds good.
>
> I dont like people who insult me

He didn't insult you, Skillz, he just explained how you were wrong.
Read the post again.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

- Bob T.
>
> On Dec 17 2008 7:57 PM, smrstrauss wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Re: "parents can change citizenship."
>
> > Yes, they can change their own citizenship. No, they cannot
> > permanently erase a child's US citizenship. If they obtain for the
> > child citizenship in a foreign country, she or he becomes a dual
> > national, that country and the USA, and the US portion is not and
> > cannot be erased unless and until the person voluntarily relinquishes
> > US citizenship AS AN ADULT. (Obama was a child.)
>
> > See:
>
> > Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)
> > Marie Elizabeth Elg was born in the US to Swedish parents, who took
> > her back with them to Sweden when she was a baby. Shortly after her
> > 21st birthday, she obtained a US passport and returned to the US.
>
> > Some years later, the US government attempted to deport her on the
> > grounds that when her parents had taken her to live in Sweden, she had
> > become a Swedish citizen (under Swedish law), and as a result had lost
> > her US citizenship. It was argued that an 1869 citizenship treaty
> > between the US and Sweden, providing for the orderly transfer of
> > citizenship by immigrants, called for loss of US citizenship following
> > Swedish naturalization. This was one of the so-called "Bancroft
> > Treaties" enacted between the US and numerous other countries between
> > 1868 and 1937.
>
> > The Supreme Court ruled, unanimously, that the actions of Elg's
> > parents in obtaining Swedish citizenship for their daughter could not
> > prevent her from reclaiming US citizenship and returning to the US as
> > an adult, provided she did so within a reasonable time after reaching
> > adulthood.
>
> > The Elg case is not, strictly speaking, a dual citizenship case, since
> > the court's assumption was that once Elg had reached adulthood, she
> > had the right to choose US citizenship instead of (not in addition to)
> > Swedish citizenship -- i.e., that this right had not been taken away
> > from her by actions her parents had taken when she was a child.
>
> > Further, the law as it existed at the time did not, in fact, require
> > Elg (who was born on US soil) to make an "election" of US citizenship
> > (i.e., swear allegiance to the US and return to live there) upon
> > reaching adulthood. The Supreme Court later ruled in Mandoli v.
> > Acheson that a US-born dual US/Italian citizen could keep his US
> > citizenship despite not having made any such declaration. The issue
> > was not really central to the Elg case anyway, because Elg did get a
> > US passport and move back to the US before her 22nd birthday.
>
> > Congress later amended the citizenship law so that a child whose
> > parents gave up or lost their citizenship and moved abroad could keep
> > his citizenship by moving back to the US prior to reaching age 25.
> > However, this provision was eventually repealed altogether in 1978
> > (Public Law 95-432).
>
> > Frances Perkins was Secretary of Labor in the administration of
> > Franklin D. Roosevelt. The reason Perkins is listed first in the
> > citation of this case is that a lower court (the Court of Appeals for
> > the D.C. Circuit) had ruled in Elg's favor, and the government was
> > appealing that ruling. Whenever a case comes before the US Supreme
> > Court, the first name listed is always the "petitioner" -- i.e., the
> > party which lost in the lower court and appealed to the Supreme
> > Court.
>
> > [go to the full case on FindLaw]
>
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Date: 17 Dec 2008 16:57:09
From: smrstrauss
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
Re: "parents can change citizenship."

Yes, they can change their own citizenship. No, they cannot
permanently erase a child's US citizenship. If they obtain for the
child citizenship in a foreign country, she or he becomes a dual
national, that country and the USA, and the US portion is not and
cannot be erased unless and until the person voluntarily relinquishes
US citizenship AS AN ADULT. (Obama was a child.)

See:

Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)
Marie Elizabeth Elg was born in the US to Swedish parents, who took
her back with them to Sweden when she was a baby. Shortly after her
21st birthday, she obtained a US passport and returned to the US.

Some years later, the US government attempted to deport her on the
grounds that when her parents had taken her to live in Sweden, she had
become a Swedish citizen (under Swedish law), and as a result had lost
her US citizenship. It was argued that an 1869 citizenship treaty
between the US and Sweden, providing for the orderly transfer of
citizenship by immigrants, called for loss of US citizenship following
Swedish naturalization. This was one of the so-called "Bancroft
Treaties" enacted between the US and numerous other countries between
1868 and 1937.

The Supreme Court ruled, unanimously, that the actions of Elg's
parents in obtaining Swedish citizenship for their daughter could not
prevent her from reclaiming US citizenship and returning to the US as
an adult, provided she did so within a reasonable time after reaching
adulthood.

The Elg case is not, strictly speaking, a dual citizenship case, since
the court's assumption was that once Elg had reached adulthood, she
had the right to choose US citizenship instead of (not in addition to)
Swedish citizenship -- i.e., that this right had not been taken away
from her by actions her parents had taken when she was a child.

Further, the law as it existed at the time did not, in fact, require
Elg (who was born on US soil) to make an "election" of US citizenship
(i.e., swear allegiance to the US and return to live there) upon
reaching adulthood. The Supreme Court later ruled in Mandoli v.
Acheson that a US-born dual US/Italian citizen could keep his US
citizenship despite not having made any such declaration. The issue
was not really central to the Elg case anyway, because Elg did get a
US passport and move back to the US before her 22nd birthday.

Congress later amended the citizenship law so that a child whose
parents gave up or lost their citizenship and moved abroad could keep
his citizenship by moving back to the US prior to reaching age 25.
However, this provision was eventually repealed altogether in 1978
(Public Law 95-432).

Frances Perkins was Secretary of Labor in the administration of
Franklin D. Roosevelt. The reason Perkins is listed first in the
citation of this case is that a lower court (the Court of Appeals for
the D.C. Circuit) had ruled in Elg's favor, and the government was
appealing that ruling. Whenever a case comes before the US Supreme
Court, the first name listed is always the "petitioner" -- i.e., the
party which lost in the lower court and appealed to the Supreme
Court.

[go to the full case on FindLaw]




   
Date: 23 Dec 2008 05:42:23
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
hey, it's great that you refer to other people and other countries

Unfortunately for a shill like you

INDONESIA DID NOT ALLOW DUAL CITIZENSHIP AT THAT TIME.

i didnt read the rest of your post since basically you are a damage
control puke who says anything you can that sounds good.

I dont like people who insult me


On Dec 17 2008 7:57 PM, smrstrauss wrote:

> Re: "parents can change citizenship."
>
> Yes, they can change their own citizenship. No, they cannot
> permanently erase a child's US citizenship. If they obtain for the
> child citizenship in a foreign country, she or he becomes a dual
> national, that country and the USA, and the US portion is not and
> cannot be erased unless and until the person voluntarily relinquishes
> US citizenship AS AN ADULT. (Obama was a child.)
>
> See:
>
> Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939)
> Marie Elizabeth Elg was born in the US to Swedish parents, who took
> her back with them to Sweden when she was a baby. Shortly after her
> 21st birthday, she obtained a US passport and returned to the US.
>
> Some years later, the US government attempted to deport her on the
> grounds that when her parents had taken her to live in Sweden, she had
> become a Swedish citizen (under Swedish law), and as a result had lost
> her US citizenship. It was argued that an 1869 citizenship treaty
> between the US and Sweden, providing for the orderly transfer of
> citizenship by immigrants, called for loss of US citizenship following
> Swedish naturalization. This was one of the so-called "Bancroft
> Treaties" enacted between the US and numerous other countries between
> 1868 and 1937.
>
> The Supreme Court ruled, unanimously, that the actions of Elg's
> parents in obtaining Swedish citizenship for their daughter could not
> prevent her from reclaiming US citizenship and returning to the US as
> an adult, provided she did so within a reasonable time after reaching
> adulthood.
>
> The Elg case is not, strictly speaking, a dual citizenship case, since
> the court's assumption was that once Elg had reached adulthood, she
> had the right to choose US citizenship instead of (not in addition to)
> Swedish citizenship -- i.e., that this right had not been taken away
> from her by actions her parents had taken when she was a child.
>
> Further, the law as it existed at the time did not, in fact, require
> Elg (who was born on US soil) to make an "election" of US citizenship
> (i.e., swear allegiance to the US and return to live there) upon
> reaching adulthood. The Supreme Court later ruled in Mandoli v.
> Acheson that a US-born dual US/Italian citizen could keep his US
> citizenship despite not having made any such declaration. The issue
> was not really central to the Elg case anyway, because Elg did get a
> US passport and move back to the US before her 22nd birthday.
>
> Congress later amended the citizenship law so that a child whose
> parents gave up or lost their citizenship and moved abroad could keep
> his citizenship by moving back to the US prior to reaching age 25.
> However, this provision was eventually repealed altogether in 1978
> (Public Law 95-432).
>
> Frances Perkins was Secretary of Labor in the administration of
> Franklin D. Roosevelt. The reason Perkins is listed first in the
> citation of this case is that a lower court (the Court of Appeals for
> the D.C. Circuit) had ruled in Elg's favor, and the government was
> appealing that ruling. Whenever a case comes before the US Supreme
> Court, the first name listed is always the "petitioner" -- i.e., the
> party which lost in the lower court and appealed to the Supreme
> Court.
>
> [go to the full case on FindLaw]

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 16:51:42
From: smrstrauss
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
Re : "he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in
school
there.

Obama would have had to relinquish US citizenship to do that."

Answer. You cannot lose your US citizenship due to actions taken by
your parents at the time you were a child. There have been several
Supreme Court rulings on this topic and they all hold that in order to
lose your US citizenship you must do so as an adult. Obama was a child
at the time.

There are some blogs who reply "But Indonesia does not accept dual
nationality and thus Obama must be an Indonesian citizen." However,
this is simply not true. What counts is our law (as it should), and
our law accepts dual nationality and does not allow a child to lose
his US citizenship. So it does not matter IF Indonesia holds that he
is an Indonesian citizen (and it may not even do that. I have read
some articles about the government of Indonesia asking that he have a
state visit to Indonesia soon after he becomes president, and they do
not mention the fact that he is or was ever an Indonesian citizen).
Even IF Indonesia thinks that he is an Indonesian citizen, as far as
our law is concerned, he never lost US citizenship.



   
Date: 23 Dec 2008 05:56:06
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
i guess we should ask his granny


On Dec 17 2008 7:51 PM, smrstrauss wrote:

> Re : "he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in
> school
> there.
>
> Obama would have had to relinquish US citizenship to do that."
>
> Answer. You cannot lose your US citizenship due to actions taken by
> your parents at the time you were a child. There have been several
> Supreme Court rulings on this topic and they all hold that in order to
> lose your US citizenship you must do so as an adult. Obama was a child
> at the time.
>
> There are some blogs who reply "But Indonesia does not accept dual
> nationality and thus Obama must be an Indonesian citizen." However,
> this is simply not true. What counts is our law (as it should), and
> our law accepts dual nationality and does not allow a child to lose
> his US citizenship. So it does not matter IF Indonesia holds that he
> is an Indonesian citizen (and it may not even do that. I have read
> some articles about the government of Indonesia asking that he have a
> state visit to Indonesia soon after he becomes president, and they do
> not mention the fact that he is or was ever an Indonesian citizen).
> Even IF Indonesia thinks that he is an Indonesian citizen, as far as
> our law is concerned, he never lost US citizenship.

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Date: 12 Dec 2008 20:14:58
From: CheckRazor
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
HE'S AN ARAB! He's a hippy/fag/junkie/communist/terroist/ARAB/muslim/
alien//crooked Chicago politician.

COME ON SUSAN, HE'S A FUCKING ARAB. Where's your outrage?


  
Date: 10 Dec 2008 15:46:06
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10, 10:35=A0am, "La Cosa Nostradamus"

> Have you heard Berg speak ?


Yeah. I heard him when he demanded that the Supreme Court resign
after installing Bush as president. And I heard the Wingnut Right
laugh him down and call him a sore loser.

But NOW they all think he's serious as a heart attack...



   
Date: 10 Dec 2008 16:01:59
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 6:46 PM, OrangeSFO wrote:

> On Dec 10, 10:35 am, "La Cosa Nostradamus"
>
> > Have you heard Berg speak ?
>
>
> Yeah. I heard him when he demanded that the Supreme Court resign
> after installing Bush as president. And I heard the Wingnut Right
> laugh him down and call him a sore loser.
>
> But NOW they all think he's serious as a heart attack...


so YOU used to agree with him until it became inconvenient ?

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 15:35:37
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10, 3:27=A0pm, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
> On Dec 10 2008 6:14 PM, sgallag...@rogers.com wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10, 2:05=A0pm, "La =A0Cosa =A0Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.inva=
lid >
> > wrote:
> > > Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
>
> > > he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
> > > there.
>
> > > Obama would have had to relinquish US citizenship to do that.
>
> > If Indonesia required him to relinquish US citizenship formally and in
> > accordance with US law, then the US State Department would have a
> > record of it. =A0If Indonesia required a mere statement that all other
> > citizenships were relinquished, then that would have had no effect
> > under US law.
>
> no passport yet a citizen of 3 countries ? woweee

At least he's not a Welchman, like you!

- Bob T.
>
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 15:14:56
From: sgallagher@rogers.com
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10, 2:05=A0pm, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
> Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
>
> he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
> there.
>
> Obama would have had to relinquish US citizenship to do that.

If Indonesia required him to relinquish US citizenship formally and in
accordance with US law, then the US State Department would have a
record of it. If Indonesia required a mere statement that all other
citizenships were relinquished, then that would have had no effect
under US law.


   
Date: 10 Dec 2008 15:27:48
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 6:14 PM, sgallagher@rogers.com wrote:

> On Dec 10, 2:05 pm, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid>
> wrote:
> > Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
> >
> > he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
> > there.
> >
> > Obama would have had to relinquish US citizenship to do that.
>
> If Indonesia required him to relinquish US citizenship formally and in
> accordance with US law, then the US State Department would have a
> record of it. If Indonesia required a mere statement that all other
> citizenships were relinquished, then that would have had no effect
> under US law.

no passport yet a citizen of 3 countries ? woweee

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 10:48:06
From: ramashiva
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10, 10:35=A0am, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:
> On Dec 10 2008 1:17 PM, ramashiva wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10, 10:00=A0am, "La =A0Cosa =A0Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.inv=
alid >
> > wrote:
>
> > >http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=3D20217597&BRD=3D2737&=
PAG....
>
> > Kevin, seriously. =A0This is batshit insane nutcase territory.
>
> > Give it up and find something more constructive to think about.
>
> > William Coleman =A0(ramashiva)
>
> Berg is the guy here. He isn't going away unless he is murdered.
>
> Have you heard Berg speak ?

I watched the video linked here of him making his case. I wasn't even
slightly convinced, and you know I don't like Obama.

> It's funny how many people are so quick to use derogatory terms when they
> don't agree with someone even though the derogatist knows not of what his
> victim speaks ?

It's not that I don't agree with Berg, it's that he has no evidence.
It's all speculation, just like the 9/11 conspiracy theories.

When you are talking about material world reality, as opposed to
metaphysical reality, it's just not rational to believe things for
which there is no evidence.

I am trying to help you here by giving you some advice that you really
need to hear. If you don't want to listen to my advice, that is
certainly your choice.


William Coleman (ramashiva)


   
Date: 10 Dec 2008 11:05:04
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
Did obama attend school in indonesia ?

he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
there.

Obama would have had to relinquish US citizenship to do that.

Did he reapply for US citizenship ?

not that I am aware of.



On Dec 10 2008 1:48 PM, ramashiva wrote:

> On Dec 10, 10:35 am, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid>
> wrote:
> > On Dec 10 2008 1:17 PM, ramashiva wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 10, 10:00 am, "La  Cosa  Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > >
>http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20217597&BRD=2737&PAG....
> >
> > > Kevin, seriously.  This is batshit insane nutcase territory.
> >
> > > Give it up and find something more constructive to think about.
> >
> > > William Coleman  (ramashiva)
> >
> > Berg is the guy here. He isn't going away unless he is murdered.
> >
> > Have you heard Berg speak ?
>
> I watched the video linked here of him making his case. I wasn't even
> slightly convinced, and you know I don't like Obama.
>
> > It's funny how many people are so quick to use derogatory terms when they
> > don't agree with someone even though the derogatist knows not of what his
> > victim speaks ?
>
> It's not that I don't agree with Berg, it's that he has no evidence.
> It's all speculation, just like the 9/11 conspiracy theories.
>
> When you are talking about material world reality, as opposed to
> metaphysical reality, it's just not rational to believe things for
> which there is no evidence.
>
> I am trying to help you here by giving you some advice that you really
> need to hear. If you don't want to listen to my advice, that is
> certainly your choice.
>
>
> William Coleman (ramashiva)

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 12:13:30
From: thepixelfreak
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On 2008-12-10 11:05:04 -0800, "La Cosa Nostradamus"
<a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid > said:

> Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
>
> he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
> there.

Huh? This is the most fucked up, insanely flawed logic to date out of
your moronic pie-hole.
--

thepixelfreak



     
Date: 10 Dec 2008 14:27:22
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama

"thepixelfreak" <not@dot.com > wrote in message
news:2008121012133016807-not@dotcom...
> On 2008-12-10 11:05:04 -0800, "La Cosa Nostradamus"
> <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> said:
>
>> Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
>>
>> he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
>> there.
>
> Huh? This is the most fucked up, insanely flawed logic to date out of your
> moronic pie-hole.
> --
>
> thepixelfreak

I actually looked this up after he posted it - it is almost true. It's very
difficult (I think thats how they worded it) to attend school in Indonesia
without being a citizen.




      
Date: 10 Dec 2008 13:40:56
From: RazzO
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
Ludicrous. A madrassa school is not a *public school*. It's just more GOP
spin.

Hilarious how all these (not you, really, Susan), Reps are hanging on to
every little piece of something that will make President-elect Obama *not*
the 44th President of the United States.

Didn't the SC just throw out the latest suit/challenge about his birth
certificate?
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html




On Dec 10 2008 12:27 PM, Susan wrote:

> I actually looked this up after he posted it - it is almost true. It's very
> difficult (I think thats how they worded it) to attend school in Indonesia
> without being a citizen.


RazzO
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 16:32:40
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama

"RazzO" <razzo@razzo.com > wrote in message
news:8kp516xs98.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Ludicrous. A madrassa school is not a *public school*. It's just more GOP
> spin.

From what I just looked up, madrassa school simply means learning - whether
private or public. And I'm not looking it up again, but what I read is that
is very difficult to attend school in Indonesia if you are not a citizen.


> Hilarious how all these (not you, really, Susan), Reps are hanging on to
> every little piece of something that will make President-elect Obama *not*
> the 44th President of the United States.

I glad you discluded me (like that word?) No where have a said that I would
prefer Obama not to be sworn in. What I do question is the blind loyalty
of some of you that think he can do no wrong. He is human in most of our
eyes, he is not a Messiah.

>
> Didn't the SC just throw out the latest suit/challenge about his birth
> certificate?
> http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

I don't take factcheck.org as a bible -

With all that being said - I truly hope that this gets resolved - all we
need now is another huge scandal. The US is in a world of hurt right now,
without more complications.




        
Date: 10 Dec 2008 17:57:57
From: RazzO
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
If December 15th goes by and President-elect Obama is still scheduled to
attend his swearing in at the inaguartion on Janurary 20, 2009, it's 'game
over'.

BTW, check out this site;

http://obamacrimes.com/attachments/072_ObamaPressRelease12082008.pdf
http://obamacrimes.com/

On Dec 10 2008 2:32 PM, Susan wrote:

> With all that being said - I truly hope that this gets resolved - all we
> need now is another huge scandal. The US is in a world of hurt right now,
> without more complications.


RazzO
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 12:41:01
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 3:27 PM, Susan wrote:

> "thepixelfreak" <not@dot.com> wrote in message
> news:2008121012133016807-not@dotcom...
> > On 2008-12-10 11:05:04 -0800, "La Cosa Nostradamus"
> > <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> said:
> >
> >> Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
> >>
> >> he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
> >> there.
> >
> > Huh? This is the most fucked up, insanely flawed logic to date out of your
> > moronic pie-hole.
> > --
> >
> > thepixelfreak
>
> I actually looked this up after he posted it - it is almost true. It's very
> difficult (I think thats how they worded it) to attend school in Indonesia
> without being a citizen.

people jump all over me because i am rarely wrong

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 12:30:01
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 3:13 PM, thepixelfreak wrote:

> On 2008-12-10 11:05:04 -0800, "La Cosa Nostradamus"
> <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> said:
>
> > Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
> >
> > he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
> > there.
>
> Huh? This is the most fucked up, insanely flawed logic to date out of
> your moronic pie-hole.
> --

what do you not understand ?

Indonesian schools did not accept non-citizens.
>
> thepixelfreak

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 13:25:38
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 2:30 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:

> On Dec 10 2008 3:13 PM, thepixelfreak wrote:
>
> > On 2008-12-10 11:05:04 -0800, "La Cosa Nostradamus"
> > <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> said:
> >
> > > Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
> > >
> > > he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
> > > there.
> >
> > Huh? This is the most fucked up, insanely flawed logic to date out of
> > your moronic pie-hole.
> > --
>
> what do you not understand ?
>
> Indonesian schools did not accept non-citizens.
> >
> > thepixelfreak


Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do not live
in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what was required
to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live in one
district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it all the
time because the residents know how to get around it. Same could easily
be true in Indonesia.

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 18:13:48
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama

"Will_gamble" <will_gamble2@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:ino516xn68.ln2@recgroups.com...


> Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do not live
> in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what was required
> to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live in one
> district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it all the
> time because the residents know how to get around it. Same could easily
> be true in Indonesia.



You don't even have to go that far. He was born in Hawaii. That's it. He
qualifies.




        
Date: 10 Dec 2008 18:02:25
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 7:13 PM, James L. Hankins wrote:

> "Will_gamble" <will_gamble2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ino516xn68.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
>
> > Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do not live
> > in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what was required
> > to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live in one
> > district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it all the
> > time because the residents know how to get around it. Same could easily
> > be true in Indonesia.
>
>
>
> You don't even have to go that far. He was born in Hawaii. That's it. He
> qualifies.
If he was born in hawaii, you do have to go that far.

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 23:02:00
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama

"La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:hu8616xuna.ln2@recgroups.com...


> I know you don't like the truth, but the truth is the truth


I like the truth, skillz. Oh, probably not as much as you like 12-year-old
filipinas, but the truth and I get along quite well.

4/5 posters on this topic here are mentally unhinged. The other one is
FLTurbo and he's creeping toward kookery as Jan. 20 approaches, but it's a
big blow to his world so I can forgive him a temporary lapse. The thought
of Obama being sworn in has brought you kooks out like cockroaches. The
effect is quite stark.




          
Date: 12 Dec 2008 21:57:53
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 23:02:00 -0600, "James L. Hankins"
<jhankins5@cox.net > wrote:

>
>"La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>news:hu8616xuna.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
>
>> I know you don't like the truth, but the truth is the truth
>
>
>I like the truth, skillz. Oh, probably not as much as you like 12-year-old
>filipinas, but the truth and I get along quite well.
>
>4/5 posters on this topic here are mentally unhinged. The other one is
>FLTurbo and he's creeping toward kookery as Jan. 20 approaches, but it's a
>big blow to his world so I can forgive him a temporary lapse. The thought
>of Obama being sworn in has brought you kooks out like cockroaches. The
>effect is quite stark.
>

Now wait just a damn minute here.
You have committed a Slander against my Personage here.
There must be some law against that, somewhere.

Well, unless it's libel?
Damn, I can never remember what the difference is.
Whatever
Who cares

To set the record straight here.

I have never had any doubts that Obama will be inaugurated in January
'09.

My grieving process went all the way to Acceptance in one big jump.

People like Berg are dreaming if they think the Supremes would be so
silly as to demand that Obama release his original Birth Certificate.

They remember the shitstorm that descended on them the last time they
got involved in a Presidential election.
No way are they silly enough to start a kerfuffle like that all over
again.

Besides
There are all kinds of reasons that Obama could be embarrassed by the
original BC.

Suppose, just for example, his father was listed as the "Frank", who
had been his personal mentor during his youth, instead of his presumed
father?

Not that I believe that, but it is just an example of information that
could be embarrassing without affecting his qualifications to be
president.



           
Date: 12 Dec 2008 23:10:42
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama

"FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com > wrote in message
news:25a6k4d3bf5dk4pre68k8tn19ehuiojp1h@4ax.com...



> I have never had any doubts that Obama will be inaugurated in January
> '09.
>
> My grieving process went all the way to Acceptance in one big jump.



Not buying it. Palin's instant populism gave you and the GOP a little
thrill up your leg. Although most of the rational conservatives have moved
on to acceptance, there seems to be a large number of kooks here who still
cling to hope.




            
Date: 13 Dec 2008 12:18:26
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama

"James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net > wrote in message
news:mtH0l.233$fv3.79@newsfe06.iad...
>
> "FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com> wrote in message
> news:25a6k4d3bf5dk4pre68k8tn19ehuiojp1h@4ax.com...
>
>
>
>> I have never had any doubts that Obama will be inaugurated in January
>> '09.
>>
>> My grieving process went all the way to Acceptance in one big jump.
>
>
>
> Not buying it. Palin's instant populism gave you and the GOP a little
> thrill up your leg. Although most of the rational conservatives have
> moved on to acceptance, there seems to be a large number of kooks here who
> still cling to hope.



Ah, I just re-read that and caught the "inaugurated" part. I read it as
"elected." Sorry about that, Francis.




             
Date: 13 Dec 2008 13:41:05
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:18:26 -0600, "James L. Hankins"
<jhankins5@cox.net > wrote:

>
>"James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net> wrote in message
>news:mtH0l.233$fv3.79@newsfe06.iad...
>>
>> "FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com> wrote in message
>> news:25a6k4d3bf5dk4pre68k8tn19ehuiojp1h@4ax.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>> I have never had any doubts that Obama will be inaugurated in January
>>> '09.
>>>
>>> My grieving process went all the way to Acceptance in one big jump.
>>
>>
>>
>> Not buying it. Palin's instant populism gave you and the GOP a little
>> thrill up your leg. Although most of the rational conservatives have
>> moved on to acceptance, there seems to be a large number of kooks here who
>> still cling to hope.
>
>
>
>Ah, I just re-read that and caught the "inaugurated" part. I read it as
>"elected." Sorry about that, Francis.
>

Well, you may want to read one of my latest posts before you finally
decide whether or not to place me in the Kook Kamp.

Of course if you decide to do that I will deny it.

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Date: 11 Dec 2008 00:07:49
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 11 2008 12:02 AM, James L. Hankins wrote:

> "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:hu8616xuna.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
>
> > I know you don't like the truth, but the truth is the truth
>
>
> I like the truth, skillz. Oh, probably not as much as you like 12-year-old
> filipinas, but the truth and I get along quite well.
>
> 4/5 posters on this topic here are mentally unhinged. The other one is
> FLTurbo and he's creeping toward kookery as Jan. 20 approaches, but it's a
> big blow to his world so I can forgive him a temporary lapse. The thought
> of Obama being sworn in has brought you kooks out like cockroaches. The
> effect is quite stark.

silly boy

i have nothing to fear if he is pres.

i just like the truth.
the truth means something and will have an effect on the future, even if
you try to hide it.

she is 24 i am 44.

my dear is much too lovely for me. i manage.

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 18:16:11
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama

"James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net > wrote in message
news:1XY%k.9525$vI1.6014@newsfe03.iad...
>
> "Will_gamble" <will_gamble2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ino516xn68.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
>
>> Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do not live
>> in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what was
>> required
>> to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live in one
>> district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it all the
>> time because the residents know how to get around it. Same could easily
>> be true in Indonesia.
>
>
>
> You don't even have to go that far. He was born in Hawaii. That's it.
> He qualifies.

born in Hawaii is not what this thread is about




         
Date: 10 Dec 2008 22:55:59
From: James L. Hankins
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama

"Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net > wrote in message
news:dZY%k.88$E21.36@newsfe10.iad...
>
> "James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:1XY%k.9525$vI1.6014@newsfe03.iad...
>>
>> "Will_gamble" <will_gamble2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ino516xn68.ln2@recgroups.com...
>>
>>
>>> Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do not live
>>> in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what was
>>> required
>>> to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live in one
>>> district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it all the
>>> time because the residents know how to get around it. Same could easily
>>> be true in Indonesia.
>>
>>
>>
>> You don't even have to go that far. He was born in Hawaii. That's it.
>> He qualifies.
>
> born in Hawaii is not what this thread is about



I grasp that, Susan. I'm pointing out the obvious fact that the entire
thread is pointless kookery.




          
Date: 10 Dec 2008 23:34:33
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 11:55 PM, James L. Hankins wrote:

> "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:dZY%k.88$E21.36@newsfe10.iad...
> >
> > "James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net> wrote in message
> > news:1XY%k.9525$vI1.6014@newsfe03.iad...
> >>
> >> "Will_gamble" <will_gamble2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:ino516xn68.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >>
> >>
> >>> Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do not live
> >>> in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what was
> >>> required
> >>> to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live in one
> >>> district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it all the
> >>> time because the residents know how to get around it. Same could easily
> >>> be true in Indonesia.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> You don't even have to go that far. He was born in Hawaii. That's it.
> >> He qualifies.
> >
> > born in Hawaii is not what this thread is about
>
>
>
> I grasp that, Susan. I'm pointing out the obvious fact that the entire
> thread is pointless kookery.

how is an exploration of things you do not know about kookery ?

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 18:03:10
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 7:16 PM, Susan wrote:

> "James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:1XY%k.9525$vI1.6014@newsfe03.iad...
> >
> > "Will_gamble" <will_gamble2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:ino516xn68.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >
> >
> >> Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do not live
> >> in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what was
> >> required
> >> to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live in one
> >> district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it all the
> >> time because the residents know how to get around it. Same could easily
> >> be true in Indonesia.
> >
> >
> >
> > You don't even have to go that far. He was born in Hawaii. That's it.
> > He qualifies.
>
> born in Hawaii is not what this thread is about

he knows but if he can divert the thread then he feels he won

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 13:28:58
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 4:25 PM, Will_gamble wrote:

> On Dec 10 2008 2:30 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10 2008 3:13 PM, thepixelfreak wrote:
> >
> > > On 2008-12-10 11:05:04 -0800, "La Cosa Nostradamus"
> > > <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> said:
> > >
> > > > Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
> > > >
> > > > he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
> > > > there.
> > >
> > > Huh? This is the most fucked up, insanely flawed logic to date out of
> > > your moronic pie-hole.
> > > --
> >
> > what do you not understand ?
> >
> > Indonesian schools did not accept non-citizens.
> > >
> > > thepixelfreak
>
>
> Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do not live
> in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what was required
> to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live in one
> district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it all the
> time because the residents know how to get around it. Same could easily
> be true in Indonesia.

we are talking about something 40 years ago 1/2 way around the world from
you

as was then as is now, things are different over there.

In all likelyhood, things then were MUCH different from where you live now.

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 15:22:52
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 3:28 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:

> >
> > Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do not live
> > in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what was required
> > to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live in one
> > district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it all the
> > time because the residents know how to get around it. Same could easily
> > be true in Indonesia.
>
> we are talking about something 40 years ago 1/2 way around the world from
> you
>
> as was then as is now, things are different over there.
>
> In all likelyhood, things then were MUCH different from where you live now.

40 years ago you could EASILY cut a deal with your local sheriff for him
to look away on gambling, boot legging and other non violent moral crimes.
Now you can't get a ticket fixed. I think it is harder to get around
things now than then.

All that aside, you have no first hand knowledge whether a chicken in the
right officials hand would have been enough for the school to look the
other way at that time in that place.

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 15:25:55
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 6:22 PM, Will_gamble wrote:

> On Dec 10 2008 3:28 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do not live
> > > in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what was
required
> > > to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live in one
> > > district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it all the
> > > time because the residents know how to get around it. Same could easily
> > > be true in Indonesia.
> >
> > we are talking about something 40 years ago 1/2 way around the world from
> > you
> >
> > as was then as is now, things are different over there.
> >
> > In all likelyhood, things then were MUCH different from where you live now.
>
> 40 years ago you could EASILY cut a deal with your local sheriff for him
> to look away on gambling, boot legging and other non violent moral crimes.
> Now you can't get a ticket fixed. I think it is harder to get around
> things now than then.
>
> All that aside, you have no first hand knowledge whether a chicken in the
> right officials hand would have been enough for the school to look the
> other way at that time in that place.

so you think bribery was involved ? wow

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 15:39:00
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 5:25 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:

> On Dec 10 2008 6:22 PM, Will_gamble wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10 2008 3:28 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do not
live
> > > > in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what was
> required
> > > > to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live in one
> > > > district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it all the
> > > > time because the residents know how to get around it. Same could
easily
> > > > be true in Indonesia.
> > >
> > > we are talking about something 40 years ago 1/2 way around the world from
> > > you
> > >
> > > as was then as is now, things are different over there.
> > >
> > > In all likelyhood, things then were MUCH different from where you live
now.
> >
> > 40 years ago you could EASILY cut a deal with your local sheriff for him
> > to look away on gambling, boot legging and other non violent moral crimes.
> > Now you can't get a ticket fixed. I think it is harder to get around
> > things now than then.
> >
> > All that aside, you have no first hand knowledge whether a chicken in the
> > right officials hand would have been enough for the school to look the
> > other way at that time in that place.
>
> so you think bribery was involved ? wow

It is beyond your capability to just say "I see what you mean, that is a
possibility" because you are consumed by one conspiracy theory after
another.

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 15:57:07
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 6:39 PM, Will_gamble wrote:

> On Dec 10 2008 5:25 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10 2008 6:22 PM, Will_gamble wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 10 2008 3:28 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do not
> live
> > > > > in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what was
> > required
> > > > > to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live in
one
> > > > > district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it all
the
> > > > > time because the residents know how to get around it. Same could
> easily
> > > > > be true in Indonesia.
> > > >
> > > > we are talking about something 40 years ago 1/2 way around the world
from
> > > > you
> > > >
> > > > as was then as is now, things are different over there.
> > > >
> > > > In all likelyhood, things then were MUCH different from where you live
> now.
> > >
> > > 40 years ago you could EASILY cut a deal with your local sheriff for him
> > > to look away on gambling, boot legging and other non violent moral
crimes.
> > > Now you can't get a ticket fixed. I think it is harder to get around
> > > things now than then.
> > >
> > > All that aside, you have no first hand knowledge whether a chicken in the
> > > right officials hand would have been enough for the school to look the
> > > other way at that time in that place.
> >
> > so you think bribery was involved ? wow
>
> It is beyond your capability to just say "I see what you mean, that is a
> possibility" because you are consumed by one conspiracy theory after
> another.

name some ?

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 16:27:37
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 5:57 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:

> On Dec 10 2008 6:39 PM, Will_gamble wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10 2008 5:25 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 10 2008 6:22 PM, Will_gamble wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Dec 10 2008 3:28 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do not
> > live
> > > > > > in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what was
> > > required
> > > > > > to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live in
> one
> > > > > > district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it all
> the
> > > > > > time because the residents know how to get around it. Same could
> > easily
> > > > > > be true in Indonesia.
> > > > >
> > > > > we are talking about something 40 years ago 1/2 way around the world
> from
> > > > > you
> > > > >
> > > > > as was then as is now, things are different over there.
> > > > >
> > > > > In all likelyhood, things then were MUCH different from where you
live
> > now.
> > > >
> > > > 40 years ago you could EASILY cut a deal with your local sheriff for
him
> > > > to look away on gambling, boot legging and other non violent moral
> crimes.
> > > > Now you can't get a ticket fixed. I think it is harder to get around
> > > > things now than then.
> > > >
> > > > All that aside, you have no first hand knowledge whether a chicken in
the
> > > > right officials hand would have been enough for the school to look the
> > > > other way at that time in that place.
> > >
> > > so you think bribery was involved ? wow
> >
> > It is beyond your capability to just say "I see what you mean, that is a
> > possibility" because you are consumed by one conspiracy theory after
> > another.
>
> name some ?

Full tilt. your ex wife hanging out with people who taught and coerced he
to finger you.

Then there is all the Mayan and astrological gibberish.

I am sure others here who commit more things to memory than I could
extend the list. There is nobody that even comes close to you in theories
and superstitions.

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Date: 17 Dec 2008 22:48:49
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 4:27 PM, Will_gamble wrote:

> On Dec 10 2008 5:57 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10 2008 6:39 PM, Will_gamble wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 10 2008 5:25 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Dec 10 2008 6:22 PM, Will_gamble wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Dec 10 2008 3:28 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do
not
> > > live
> > > > > > > in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what was
> > > > required
> > > > > > > to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live
in
> > one
> > > > > > > district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it
all
> > the
> > > > > > > time because the residents know how to get around it. Same could
> > > easily
> > > > > > > be true in Indonesia.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > we are talking about something 40 years ago 1/2 way around the
world
> > from
> > > > > > you
> > > > > >
> > > > > > as was then as is now, things are different over there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In all likelyhood, things then were MUCH different from where you
> live
> > > now.
> > > > >
> > > > > 40 years ago you could EASILY cut a deal with your local sheriff for
> him
> > > > > to look away on gambling, boot legging and other non violent moral
> > crimes.
> > > > > Now you can't get a ticket fixed. I think it is harder to get
around
> > > > > things now than then.
> > > > >
> > > > > All that aside, you have no first hand knowledge whether a chicken in
> the
> > > > > right officials hand would have been enough for the school to look
the
> > > > > other way at that time in that place.
> > > >
> > > > so you think bribery was involved ? wow
> > >
> > > It is beyond your capability to just say "I see what you mean, that is a
> > > possibility" because you are consumed by one conspiracy theory after
> > > another.
> >
> > name some ?
>
> Full tilt. your ex wife hanging out with people who taught and coerced he
> to finger you.
>
> Then there is all the Mayan and astrological gibberish.
>
> I am sure others here who commit more things to memory than I could
> extend the list. There is nobody that even comes close to you in theories
> and superstitions.

The moon landing. And the talking tapestry.

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Date: 23 Dec 2008 05:54:09
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 18 2008 1:48 AM, brewmaster wrote:

> On Dec 10 2008 4:27 PM, Will_gamble wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10 2008 5:57 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 10 2008 6:39 PM, Will_gamble wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Dec 10 2008 5:25 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Dec 10 2008 6:22 PM, Will_gamble wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Dec 10 2008 3:28 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Where I live you can not go to school in a district that you do
> not
> > > > live
> > > > > > > > in without special permission. If an outsider looked at what
was
> > > > > required
> > > > > > > > to cheat the system, they would think it was impossible to live
> in
> > > one
> > > > > > > > district and go to school in another. The truth is, they do it
> all
> > > the
> > > > > > > > time because the residents know how to get around it. Same
could
> > > > easily
> > > > > > > > be true in Indonesia.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > we are talking about something 40 years ago 1/2 way around the
> world
> > > from
> > > > > > > you
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > as was then as is now, things are different over there.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In all likelyhood, things then were MUCH different from where you
> > live
> > > > now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 40 years ago you could EASILY cut a deal with your local sheriff
for
> > him
> > > > > > to look away on gambling, boot legging and other non violent moral
> > > crimes.
> > > > > > Now you can't get a ticket fixed. I think it is harder to get
> around
> > > > > > things now than then.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > All that aside, you have no first hand knowledge whether a chicken
in
> > the
> > > > > > right officials hand would have been enough for the school to look
> the
> > > > > > other way at that time in that place.
> > > > >
> > > > > so you think bribery was involved ? wow
> > > >
> > > > It is beyond your capability to just say "I see what you mean, that is
a
> > > > possibility" because you are consumed by one conspiracy theory after
> > > > another.
> > >
> > > name some ?
> >
> > Full tilt. your ex wife hanging out with people who taught and coerced he
> > to finger you.
> >
> > Then there is all the Mayan and astrological gibberish.
> >
> > I am sure others here who commit more things to memory than I could
> > extend the list. There is nobody that even comes close to you in theories
> > and superstitions.
>
> The moon landing. And the talking tapestry.

sorry wetbrain, i have no theory on the moon landing.
I did ask some questions tho.
>
> Brew
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Date: 10 Dec 2008 15:30:54
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama

"La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message

> In all likelyhood, things then were MUCH different from where you live
> now.

I don't know about that. I always confuse Mississippi with Indonesia in the
same thought.




         
Date: 10 Dec 2008 13:42:38
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 4:30 PM, Susan wrote:

> "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>
> > In all likelyhood, things then were MUCH different from where you live
> > now.
>
> I don't know about that. I always confuse Mississippi with Indonesia in the
> same thought.

Both places are warm and get severe weather !

1/2 the population has the same dna 99% of the time

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 16:51:44
From: Schmedley
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama

"La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:enp516x1a8.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 10 2008 4:30 PM, Susan wrote:
>
>> "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>>
>> > In all likelyhood, things then were MUCH different from where you live
>> > now.
>>
>> I don't know about that. I always confuse Mississippi with Indonesia in
>> the
>> same thought.
>
> Both places are warm and get severe weather !
>
> 1/2 the population has the same dna 99% of the time
>

Bali vs Biloxi.



           
Date: 10 Dec 2008 14:25:07
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 4:51 PM, Schmedley wrote:

> "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:enp516x1a8.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Dec 10 2008 4:30 PM, Susan wrote:
> >
> >> "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >>
> >> > In all likelyhood, things then were MUCH different from where you live
> >> > now.
> >>
> >> I don't know about that. I always confuse Mississippi with Indonesia in
> >> the
> >> same thought.
> >
> > Both places are warm and get severe weather !
> >
> > 1/2 the population has the same dna 99% of the time
> >
>
> Bali vs Biloxi.

Is there like a black hole between the 2 places ?

or a white hole if i cant say black

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 14:45:56
From: Schmedley
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama

"La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:0gg516xa47.ln2@recgroups.com...
> Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
>
> he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
> there.
>
> Obama would have had to relinquish US citizenship to do that.
>
> Did he reapply for US citizenship ?
>
> not that I am aware of..

Do you understand that a 10 year old cannot change his or her citizenship
status? And that anything his or her parents do is a nullity?

This is why the Birth Certificate thing is pointless, the wingers just move
on to something else. So the Kenya thing recedes, followed on by some
further BS about Indonesia.

Fact: Obama born in Hawaii, 1961 (as reported in local papers that week).

He had dual citizenship with Kenya at birth. The Kenya citizeship lapsed
either at his 21st birthday or at one of the several times Obama SWORE AN
OATH to defend the constitution of the United States.



     
Date: 10 Dec 2008 14:57:04
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 12:45 PM, Schmedley wrote:

> "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0gg516xa47.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
> >
> > he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
> > there.
> >
> > Obama would have had to relinquish US citizenship to do that.
> >
> > Did he reapply for US citizenship ?
> >
> > not that I am aware of..
>
> Do you understand that a 10 year old cannot change his or her citizenship
> status? And that anything his or her parents do is a nullity?
>
> This is why the Birth Certificate thing is pointless, the wingers just move
> on to something else. So the Kenya thing recedes, followed on by some
> further BS about Indonesia.
>
> Fact: Obama born in Hawaii, 1961 (as reported in local papers that week).

That's not a fact at all. The newspaper did not report that Obama was born
in Hawaii, only that he had been born.

I can't wait till I see what kind of responses I get for this.

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 12:17:40
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 2:45 PM, Schmedley wrote:

> "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:0gg516xa47.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
> >
> > he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
> > there.
> >
> > Obama would have had to relinquish US citizenship to do that.
> >
> > Did he reapply for US citizenship ?
> >
> > not that I am aware of..
>
> Do you understand that a 10 year old cannot change his or her citizenship
> status? And that anything his or her parents do is a nullity?
>
> This is why the Birth Certificate thing is pointless, the wingers just move
> on to something else. So the Kenya thing recedes, followed on by some
> further BS about Indonesia.
>
> Fact: Obama born in Hawaii, 1961 (as reported in local papers that week).
>
> He had dual citizenship with Kenya at birth. The Kenya citizeship lapsed
> either at his 21st birthday or at one of the several times Obama SWORE AN
> OATH to defend the constitution of the United States.

Indonesia ?

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 16:47:13
From: Schmedley
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama

"La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:4ok516xil7.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 10 2008 2:45 PM, Schmedley wrote:
>
>> "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:0gg516xa47.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
>> >
>> > he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
>> > there.
>> >
>> > Obama would have had to relinquish US citizenship to do that.
>> >
>> > Did he reapply for US citizenship ?
>> >
>> > not that I am aware of..
>>
>> Do you understand that a 10 year old cannot change his or her citizenship
>> status? And that anything his or her parents do is a nullity?
>>
>> This is why the Birth Certificate thing is pointless, the wingers just
>> move
>> on to something else. So the Kenya thing recedes, followed on by some
>> further BS about Indonesia.
>>
>> Fact: Obama born in Hawaii, 1961 (as reported in local papers that
>> week).
>>
>> He had dual citizenship with Kenya at birth. The Kenya citizeship lapsed
>> either at his 21st birthday or at one of the several times Obama SWORE AN
>> OATH to defend the constitution of the United States.
>
> Indonesia ?
>
There is no Indonesia citizenship issue. Period. He was not born there,
the mother was not married to the Sotero guy until long after. At the age
of ten, he attended school there. IF only local citizens could attend
school (which is a wingnut premise), then somebody lied on the forms. Maybe
this has happened once or twice in world history.

A ten year old cannot change his citizenship status. It cannot be done.



       
Date: 10 Dec 2008 14:22:56
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 4:47 PM, Schmedley wrote:

> "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:4ok516xil7.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Dec 10 2008 2:45 PM, Schmedley wrote:
> >
> >> "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> >> news:0gg516xa47.ln2@recgroups.com...
> >> > Did obama attend school in indonesia ?
> >> >
> >> > he had to be a citizen of Indonesia, at that time to enroll in school
> >> > there.
> >> >
> >> > Obama would have had to relinquish US citizenship to do that.
> >> >
> >> > Did he reapply for US citizenship ?
> >> >
> >> > not that I am aware of..
> >>
> >> Do you understand that a 10 year old cannot change his or her citizenship
> >> status? And that anything his or her parents do is a nullity?
> >>
> >> This is why the Birth Certificate thing is pointless, the wingers just
> >> move
> >> on to something else. So the Kenya thing recedes, followed on by some
> >> further BS about Indonesia.
> >>
> >> Fact: Obama born in Hawaii, 1961 (as reported in local papers that
> >> week).
> >>
> >> He had dual citizenship with Kenya at birth. The Kenya citizeship lapsed
> >> either at his 21st birthday or at one of the several times Obama SWORE AN
> >> OATH to defend the constitution of the United States.
> >
> > Indonesia ?
> >
> There is no Indonesia citizenship issue. Period. He was not born there,
> the mother was not married to the Sotero guy until long after. At the age
> of ten, he attended school there. IF only local citizens could attend
> school (which is a wingnut premise), then somebody lied on the forms. Maybe
> this has happened once or twice in world history.
>
> A ten year old cannot change his citizenship status. It cannot be done.

wasnt ten
parents can change citizenship.

sorry, please use facts and not wishes in further discussion.

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 10:46:10
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 1:17 PM, ramashiva wrote:

> Give it up and find something more constructive to think about.
>
>
> William Coleman (ramashiva)


i think about lots of things

i think about Berg Vs. Obama for a few minutes a day

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

Just in case you haven't actually heard what Berg has to say.

Berg has OTHER arguments besides the Birth Certificate. Issues that stick

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 10:48:27
From: Scott/sjakma
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 1:46 PM, La Cosa Nostradamus wrote:

> On Dec 10 2008 1:17 PM, ramashiva wrote:
>
> > Give it up and find something more constructive to think about.
> >
> >
> > William Coleman (ramashiva)
>
>
> i think about lots of things
>
> i think about Berg Vs. Obama for a few minutes a day
>

You must spend the rest of your time trying find a way to get out of bets
that you lost.

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 10:35:38
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 1:17 PM, ramashiva wrote:

> On Dec 10, 10:00 am, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> > http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20217597&BRD=2737&PAG....
>
> Kevin, seriously. This is batshit insane nutcase territory.
>
> Give it up and find something more constructive to think about.
>
>
> William Coleman (ramashiva)

Berg is the guy here. He isn't going away unless he is murdered.

Have you heard Berg speak ?

It's funny how many people are so quick to use derogatory terms when they
don't agree with someone even though the derogatist knows not of what his
victim speaks ?

hope you enjoy that last sentence.

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Date: 10 Dec 2008 11:01:10
From: BillB
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama

"La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:qoe516xts6.ln2@recgroups.com...

> Have you heard Berg speak ?

I read an interview. He is nuttier than you are.




   
Date: 10 Dec 2008 12:42:20
From: Susan
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama

"La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:qoe516xts6.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Dec 10 2008 1:17 PM, ramashiva wrote:
>
>> On Dec 10, 10:00 am, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20217597&BRD=2737&PAG....
>>
>> Kevin, seriously. This is batshit insane nutcase territory.
>>
>> Give it up and find something more constructive to think about.
>>
>>
>> William Coleman (ramashiva)
>
> Berg is the guy here. He isn't going away unless he is murdered.
>
> Have you heard Berg speak ?
>
> It's funny how many people are so quick to use derogatory terms when they
> don't agree with someone even though the derogatist knows not of what his
> victim speaks ?
>
> hope you enjoy that last sentence.

Berg is a proven nutcase skillz

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phillip_J._Berg




    
Date: 10 Dec 2008 11:00:18
From: La Cosa Nostradamus
Subject: Re: Berg Vs. Obama
On Dec 10 2008 1:42 PM, Susan wrote:

> "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f44ce@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:qoe516xts6.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Dec 10 2008 1:17 PM, ramashiva wrote:
> >
> >> On Dec 10, 10:00 am, "La Cosa Nostradamus" <a6f4...@webnntp.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20217597&BRD=2737&PAG....
> >>
> >> Kevin, seriously. This is batshit insane nutcase territory.
> >>
> >> Give it up and find something more constructive to think about.
> >>
> >>
> >> William Coleman (ramashiva)
> >
> > Berg is the guy here. He isn't going away unless he is murdered.
> >
> > Have you heard Berg speak ?
> >
> > It's funny how many people are so quick to use derogatory terms when they
> > don't agree with someone even though the derogatist knows not of what his
> > victim speaks ?
> >
> > hope you enjoy that last sentence.
>
> Berg is a proven nutcase skillz

A wikipedia page can be written by anyone.

This page was last modified on 10 December 2008, at 00:28.

14 hours ago. when was this page written and by whom ?
>


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