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Date: 17 Feb 2009 17:54:31
From: MrBookworm
Subject: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
Here's a couple for Skillz. In the second hand I lost to runner runner
quads after flopping a set. This is why I only play with 10% or less of my
bankroll on a table. Notice the time stamps as I was multi-tabling.

PokerStars Game #25030611485: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/02/16
22:23:32 ET
Table 'Aralia X' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: JJLZ007 ($9.65 in chips)
Seat 2: MrBookworm ($4.80 in chips)
Seat 3: killaherni ($22.30 in chips)
Seat 4: kayalt75 ($5.05 in chips)
Seat 5: Papaw Shorty ($18 in chips)
Seat 6: papasmurfer ($3.95 in chips)
MrBookworm: posts small blind $0.05
killaherni: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to MrBookworm [7c Kc Kd 2d]
kayalt75: calls $0.10
Papaw Shorty: calls $0.10
JJLZ007 said, "nh"
papasmurfer: calls $0.10
JJLZ007: calls $0.10
MrBookworm: calls $0.05
killaherni: checks
*** FLOP *** [4h 4s Ts]
MrBookworm: checks
killaherni: checks
kayalt75: checks
Papaw Shorty: checks
papasmurfer: checks
JJLZ007: checks
*** TURN *** [4h 4s Ts] [Kh]
MrBookworm: bets $0.60
killaherni: folds
kayalt75: calls $0.60
Papaw Shorty: folds
papasmurfer: calls $0.60
JJLZ007: folds
*** RIVER *** [4h 4s Ts Kh] [Jd]
MrBookworm: bets $2.30
kayalt75: raises $2.05 to $4.35 and is all-in
papasmurfer: folds
MrBookworm: calls $1.80 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($0.25) returned to kayalt75
*** SHOW DOWN ***
kayalt75: shows [4d 4c Js Td] (four of a kind, Fours)
MrBookworm: mucks hand
kayalt75 collected $10.10 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $10.60




 
Date: 18 Feb 2009 10:06:29
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30
Well they WERE 14,572 hands apart...



 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 20:36:01
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
On Feb 17 2009 7:54 PM, MrBookworm wrote:

> Here's a couple for Skillz. In the second hand I lost to runner runner
> quads after flopping a set. This is why I only play with 10% or less of my
> bankroll on a table. Notice the time stamps as I was multi-tabling.

Yeah if you're gonna play like that you need way more than 10 buyins per
level.

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Date: 18 Feb 2009 04:58:01
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...

"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:hqfs66xrhm.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 17 2009 7:54 PM, MrBookworm wrote:
>
>> Here's a couple for Skillz. In the second hand I lost to runner runner
>> quads after flopping a set. This is why I only play with 10% or less of
>> my
>> bankroll on a table. Notice the time stamps as I was multi-tabling.
>
> Yeah if you're gonna play like that you need way more than 10 buyins per
> level.

Come on Morph, we all lose a lot with overfulls vs quads.

I had it happen three times in two days once.





   
Date: 17 Feb 2009 21:36:05
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
On Feb 17 2009 10:58 PM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:

> Come on Morph, we all lose a lot with overfulls vs quads.
>
> I had it happen three times in two days once.

You're going to get your stack in with 8 raises with KK96?

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Date: 18 Feb 2009 10:05:28
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
> You're going to get your stack in with 8 raises with KK96?

You're assuming that the raisers were playing logically. They weren't, the
table had 2 maniacs at it. I can fold KK96 pre-flop quite easily, but
given the way they had played I had a good chance of being ahead.

Dean

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Date: 18 Feb 2009 10:14:30
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
On Feb 18 2009 12:05 PM, MrBookworm wrote:

> You're assuming that the raisers were playing logically. They weren't, the
> table had 2 maniacs at it. I can fold KK96 pre-flop quite easily, but
> given the way they had played I had a good chance of being ahead.

I imagine you're gonna have to play with twodimes.net quite a bit to find
a situation where KK96 is ahead in a 3 way all-in pot.

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Date: 18 Feb 2009 13:13:52
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...

"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:5bjs66x8p.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Feb 17 2009 10:58 PM, Beldin the Sorcerer wrote:
>
>> Come on Morph, we all lose a lot with overfulls vs quads.
>>
>> I had it happen three times in two days once.
>
> You're going to get your stack in with 8 raises with KK96
Not preflop, but he got a lot in on the flop on one of them






 
Date: 17 Feb 2009 20:30:09
From: gtech1
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
2nd hand you had no business being in, but you knew that already .....
On Feb 17 2009 8:54 PM, MrBookworm wrote:

> Here's a couple for Skillz. In the second hand I lost to runner runner
> quads after flopping a set. This is why I only play with 10% or less of my
> bankroll on a table. Notice the time stamps as I was multi-tabling.
>
> PokerStars Game #25030611485: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/02/16
> 22:23:32 ET
> Table 'Aralia X' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
> Seat 1: JJLZ007 ($9.65 in chips)
> Seat 2: MrBookworm ($4.80 in chips)
> Seat 3: killaherni ($22.30 in chips)
> Seat 4: kayalt75 ($5.05 in chips)
> Seat 5: Papaw Shorty ($18 in chips)
> Seat 6: papasmurfer ($3.95 in chips)
> MrBookworm: posts small blind $0.05
> killaherni: posts big blind $0.10
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to MrBookworm [7c Kc Kd 2d]
> kayalt75: calls $0.10
> Papaw Shorty: calls $0.10
> JJLZ007 said, "nh"
> papasmurfer: calls $0.10
> JJLZ007: calls $0.10
> MrBookworm: calls $0.05
> killaherni: checks
> *** FLOP *** [4h 4s Ts]
> MrBookworm: checks
> killaherni: checks
> kayalt75: checks
> Papaw Shorty: checks
> papasmurfer: checks
> JJLZ007: checks
> *** TURN *** [4h 4s Ts] [Kh]
> MrBookworm: bets $0.60
> killaherni: folds
> kayalt75: calls $0.60
> Papaw Shorty: folds
> papasmurfer: calls $0.60
> JJLZ007: folds
> *** RIVER *** [4h 4s Ts Kh] [Jd]
> MrBookworm: bets $2.30
> kayalt75: raises $2.05 to $4.35 and is all-in
> papasmurfer: folds
> MrBookworm: calls $1.80 and is all-in
> Uncalled bet ($0.25) returned to kayalt75
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> kayalt75: shows [4d 4c Js Td] (four of a kind, Fours)
> MrBookworm: mucks hand
> kayalt75 collected $10.10 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot $10.60


  
Date: 18 Feb 2009 10:08:11
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
> 2nd hand you had no business being in, but you knew that already .....

Yes, if I hadn't been paying attention to the players on previous hands.
That's normally an easy fold with semi-logical players.

Dean

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Date: 18 Feb 2009 11:23:07
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
On Feb 18 2009 1:08 PM, MrBookworm wrote:

> > 2nd hand you had no business being in, but you knew that already .....
>
> Yes, if I hadn't been paying attention to the players on previous hands.
> That's normally an easy fold with semi-logical players.
>


No.

It's an easy fold <bold > by </blold> a semi-logical player.

In the first hand after getting called twice on the turn you have to
seriously ask yourself what hands they might have and think hard about a
check/call on the river.

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Date: 18 Feb 2009 17:27:56
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
> No.
>
> It's an easy fold <bold> by </blold> a semi-logical player.

Looks like I'm in the wrong on being in the 2nd hand at all based on
everyone's comments. I'll take the advice. I was still ahead after the
flop :).

> In the first hand after getting called twice on the turn you have to
> seriously ask yourself what hands they might have and think hard about a
> check/call on the river.

No way am I check calling top full house. This is 5/10 and I am ahead of
everything except quads. My opponent and I only started the hand with 50
BBs (I always reload to the max, so I must have just lost a hand and not
gotten my reload in quick enough). The board had straight, and lower full
house possibilities along with the other ways that players play badly.

Dean

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Date: 18 Feb 2009 18:58:38
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
On Feb 18 2009 8:27 PM, MrBookworm wrote:

> > No.
> >
> > It's an easy fold <bold> by </blold> a semi-logical player.
>
> Looks like I'm in the wrong on being in the 2nd hand at all based on
> everyone's comments. I'll take the advice. I was still ahead after the
> flop :).

So?

How far behind were you when you put your money in?

Hint: You were getting the wrong price without more dead money than the
blinds.





>
> > In the first hand after getting called twice on the turn you have to
> > seriously ask yourself what hands they might have and think hard about a
> > check/call on the river.
>
> No way am I check calling top full house. This is 5/10 and I am ahead of
> everything except quads. My opponent and I only started the hand with 50
> BBs (I always reload to the max, so I must have just lost a hand and not
> gotten my reload in quick enough). The board had straight, and lower full
> house possibilities along with the other ways that players play badly.
>
> Dean
>
> "When you respond to me, you are responding to a troll." - Paul Popinjay
> 1/16/2009

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 07:32:57
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
> > Looks like I'm in the wrong on being in the 2nd hand at all based on
> > everyone's comments. I'll take the advice. I was still ahead after the
> > flop :).
>
> So?
>
> How far behind were you when you put your money in?
>
> Hint: You were getting the wrong price without more dead money than the
> blinds.

Gary, I already agreed with you. I made a tongue in cheek comment which is
indicated by the ":)" at the end. Now you're either being a o0o or a moron.

Dean

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Date: 19 Feb 2009 10:28:04
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
On Feb 19 2009 10:32 AM, MrBookworm wrote:

> > > Looks like I'm in the wrong on being in the 2nd hand at all based on
> > > everyone's comments. I'll take the advice. I was still ahead after the
> > > flop :).
> >
> > So?
> >
> > How far behind were you when you put your money in?
> >
> > Hint: You were getting the wrong price without more dead money than the
> > blinds.
>
> Gary, I already agreed with you. I made a tongue in cheek comment which is
> indicated by the ":)" at the end. Now you're either being a o0o or a moron.
>

Moron.

Why couldn't you figure that out on your own?

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Date: 17 Feb 2009 19:03:13
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
On Feb 17 2009 7:54 PM, MrBookworm wrote:

> Here's a couple for Skillz. In the second hand I lost to runner runner
> quads after flopping a set. This is why I only play with 10% or less of my
> bankroll on a table. Notice the time stamps as I was multi-tabling.
>
> PokerStars Game #25030611485: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2009/02/16
> 22:23:32 ET
> Table 'Aralia X' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
> Seat 1: JJLZ007 ($9.65 in chips)
> Seat 2: MrBookworm ($4.80 in chips)
> Seat 3: killaherni ($22.30 in chips)
> Seat 4: kayalt75 ($5.05 in chips)
> Seat 5: Papaw Shorty ($18 in chips)
> Seat 6: papasmurfer ($3.95 in chips)
> MrBookworm: posts small blind $0.05
> killaherni: posts big blind $0.10
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to MrBookworm [7c Kc Kd 2d]
> kayalt75: calls $0.10
> Papaw Shorty: calls $0.10
> JJLZ007 said, "nh"
> papasmurfer: calls $0.10
> JJLZ007: calls $0.10
> MrBookworm: calls $0.05
> killaherni: checks
> *** FLOP *** [4h 4s Ts]
> MrBookworm: checks
> killaherni: checks
> kayalt75: checks
> Papaw Shorty: checks
> papasmurfer: checks
> JJLZ007: checks
> *** TURN *** [4h 4s Ts] [Kh]
> MrBookworm: bets $0.60
> killaherni: folds
> kayalt75: calls $0.60
> Papaw Shorty: folds
> papasmurfer: calls $0.60
> JJLZ007: folds
> *** RIVER *** [4h 4s Ts Kh] [Jd]
> MrBookworm: bets $2.30
> kayalt75: raises $2.05 to $4.35 and is all-in
> papasmurfer: folds
> MrBookworm: calls $1.80 and is all-in
> Uncalled bet ($0.25) returned to kayalt75
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> kayalt75: shows [4d 4c Js Td] (four of a kind, Fours)
> MrBookworm: mucks hand
> kayalt75 collected $10.10 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot $10.60


  
Date: 19 Feb 2009 08:43:59
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
> In less than 3 hours I lost over 1200 in pots that involved getting the
> "nut full house" beaten.

You were "outplayed".

> Needless to say I made like a turtle and pulled my head back in and went
> back to grinding the 'tiny " games .

Good choice.

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Date: 17 Feb 2009 18:03:32
From: Do you ever miss ...
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30
On Feb 17, 7:54=EF=BF=BDpm, "MrBookworm" <a825...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> Here's a couple for Skillz. In the second hand I lost to runner runner
> quads after flopping a set. This is why I only play with 10% or less of m=
y
> bankroll on a table. Notice the time stamps as I was multi-tabling.
>
> PokerStars Game #25030611485: =EF=BF=BDOmaha Pot Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 20=
09/02/16
> 22:23:32 ET
> Table 'Aralia X' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
> Seat 1: JJLZ007 ($9.65 in chips)
> Seat 2: MrBookworm ($4.80 in chips)
> Seat 3: killaherni ($22.30 in chips)
> Seat 4: kayalt75 ($5.05 in chips)
> Seat 5: Papaw Shorty ($18 in chips)
> Seat 6: papasmurfer ($3.95 in chips)
> MrBookworm: posts small blind $0.05
> killaherni: posts big blind $0.10
> *** HOLE CARDS ***
> Dealt to MrBookworm [7c Kc Kd 2d]
> kayalt75: calls $0.10
> Papaw Shorty: calls $0.10
> JJLZ007 said, "nh"
> papasmurfer: calls $0.10
> JJLZ007: calls $0.10
> MrBookworm: calls $0.05
> killaherni: checks
> *** FLOP *** [4h 4s Ts]
> MrBookworm: checks
> killaherni: checks
> kayalt75: checks
> Papaw Shorty: checks
> papasmurfer: checks
> JJLZ007: checks
> *** TURN *** [4h 4s Ts] [Kh]
> MrBookworm: bets $0.60
> killaherni: folds
> kayalt75: calls $0.60
> Papaw Shorty: folds
> papasmurfer: calls $0.60
> JJLZ007: folds
> *** RIVER *** [4h 4s Ts Kh] [Jd]
> MrBookworm: bets $2.30
> kayalt75: raises $2.05 to $4.35 and is all-in
> papasmurfer: folds
> MrBookworm: calls $1.80 and is all-in
> Uncalled bet ($0.25) returned to kayalt75
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> kayalt75: shows [4d 4c Js Td] (four of a kind, Fours)
> MrBookworm: mucks hand
> kayalt75 collected $10.10 from pot
> *** SUMMARY ***
> Total pot $10.60


  
Date: 17 Feb 2009 18:58:05
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: BAHH: Lost with KK full house to quads, twice, within 30 seconds...
> The odds of that happening.. once .. astronomical But TWICE in that
> short span of time ? Wow ...At least we can figure that it wont happen
> again in a Million years.

It's Omaha. You see quads every day and I had a straight flush later in
the session (that happens about once per week when playing an hour a day
on 3 tables).

Dean

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