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Date: 13 Jan 2009 02:48:26
From: Mark A. Dudley
Subject: BAHH: Fill Tilt 750K Hand
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200+ Left in tournament forst place pays 130K I think 9th pays around
10K
Blinds are 1200/2400 300 ante
I am about 32K in chips, a little welow average
I am dealt 99 in the cutoff.
Folds around to me I make 7200
Folds to BB who shoves.
I have been debating this in im mind for the last two days. I had
just been moved to thius table and it seemed that this was a
shove-fest. Even the medium stacks 40-50 were pushing with AQ, AJ, 55
Is this a good call or should I have waited for a better spot? Or
should I have shoved?
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Date: 13 Jan 2009 04:56:49
From: CincinnatiKid
Subject: Re: BAHH: Fill Tilt 750K Hand
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On Jan 12 2009 9:48 PM, Mark A. Dudley wrote:
> 200+ Left in tournament forst place pays 130K I think 9th pays around
> 10K
> Blinds are 1200/2400 300 ante
> I am about 32K in chips, a little welow average
> I am dealt 99 in the cutoff.
> Folds around to me I make 7200
> Folds to BB who shoves.
>
> I have been debating this in im mind for the last two days. I had
> just been moved to thius table and it seemed that this was a
> shove-fest. Even the medium stacks 40-50 were pushing with AQ, AJ, 55
>
> Is this a good call or should I have waited for a better spot? Or
> should I have shoved?
Easy, ultra-standard shove here.
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Date: 14 Jan 2009 05:03:46
From: Mark A. Dudley
Subject: Re: BAHH: Fill Tilt 750K Hand
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Thanks for the replies. Great advice by all who posted.
On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:56:49 -0800, "CincinnatiKid"
<a16b5@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
>On Jan 12 2009 9:48 PM, Mark A. Dudley wrote:
>
>> 200+ Left in tournament forst place pays 130K I think 9th pays around
>> 10K
>> Blinds are 1200/2400 300 ante
>> I am about 32K in chips, a little welow average
>> I am dealt 99 in the cutoff.
>> Folds around to me I make 7200
>> Folds to BB who shoves.
>>
>> I have been debating this in im mind for the last two days. I had
>> just been moved to thius table and it seemed that this was a
>> shove-fest. Even the medium stacks 40-50 were pushing with AQ, AJ, 55
>>
>> Is this a good call or should I have waited for a better spot? Or
>> should I have shoved?
>
>Easy, ultra-standard shove here.
>
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 19:07:49
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: BAHH: Fill Tilt 750K Hand
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On Jan 12 2009 9:48 PM, Mark A. Dudley wrote:
> 200+ Left in tournament forst place pays 130K I think 9th pays around
> 10K
> Blinds are 1200/2400 300 ante
> I am about 32K in chips, a little welow average
> I am dealt 99 in the cutoff.
> Folds around to me I make 7200
> Folds to BB who shoves.
>
> I have been debating this in im mind for the last two days. I had
> just been moved to thius table and it seemed that this was a
> shove-fest. Even the medium stacks 40-50 were pushing with AQ, AJ, 55
>
> Is this a good call or should I have waited for a better spot? Or
> should I have shoved?
At this point in a major tourney, you have to expect that late position
raises are going to get re-raised a lot, it's a play. I think you have an
instacall with 99 here.
Fell
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 20:25:49
From: funky cold medina
Subject: Re: BAHH: Fill Tilt 750K Hand
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On Jan 12, 7:07=A0pm, "FellKnight" <jordandevenp...@hotmail.com > wrote:
> On Jan 12 2009 9:48 PM, Mark A. Dudley wrote:
>
> > 200+ Left in tournament forst place pays 130K I think 9th pays around
> > 10K
> > Blinds are 1200/2400 300 ante
> > I am about 32K in chips, a little welow average
> > I am dealt 99 in =A0the cutoff.
> > Folds around to me I make 7200
> > Folds to BB who shoves.
>
> > I have been debating this in im mind for the last two days. =A0I had
> > just been moved to thius table and it seemed that this was a
> > shove-fest. =A0Even the medium stacks 40-50 were pushing with AQ, AJ, 5=
5
>
> > Is this a good call or should I have waited for a better spot? =A0Or
> > should I have shoved?
>
> At this point in a major tourney, you have to expect that late position
> raises are going to get re-raised a lot, it's a play. =A0I think you have=
an
> instacall with 99 here.
>
> Fell
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Yeah - the prevailing philosophy in reference to play from the Blinds
late int a tourney is to come over the top if youperceive fold
equity. BB is probably putting you on an enormous range with that
bet, though you could be trapping. With As, Ks, or something you
wanted some action with... that was a great bet. But with something
you were willing to fold... yeah. He/she saw a spot, was willing to
risk it, and forced you into a tough decision.
(btw my personal view: 99 is a good hand in these circumstances,
*probably* ahead, and with almost 1/4 stack in the pot already...
call).
A lot of people now have a very broad range that they're going to
shove with against late position raisers from the blinds (and a tight
range they'll call a shove with). It's their way of combating
positional advantage and they use things like Nash equilibrium charts
to dictate their play.
.02
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Date: 12 Jan 2009 22:01:08
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: BAHH: Fill Tilt 750K Hand
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On Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:48:26 GMT, mark@cjmnetworking.com (Mark A.
Dudley) wrote:
>200+ Left in tournament forst place pays 130K I think 9th pays around
>10K
>Blinds are 1200/2400 300 ante
>I am about 32K in chips, a little welow average
>I am dealt 99 in the cutoff.
>Folds around to me I make 7200
>Folds to BB who shoves.
>I have been debating this in im mind for the last two days. I had
>just been moved to thius table and it seemed that this was a
>shove-fest. Even the medium stacks 40-50 were pushing with AQ, AJ, 55
>Is this a good call or should I have waited for a better spot? Or
>should I have shoved?
Should have shoved, assuming a full table of 9 players. If you make a
normal raise and someone comes over the top you're in a miserable
situation. As it was, the starting pot was 6300. You just put in
7200, leaving you with 24800 more.
BB put in enough to match you and 24800 more, making a pot of 43100.
You have to call 24800 more. Those are pretty good odds, and you even
beat a lot of the range that does that, much of which is overcards.
Only TT-AA has you crushed. You pretty much have to call there.
I'd consider folding against someone I thought was aware I was
basically pot-committed and who wasn't going to do that without
something that wanted a call, or AK. But then I'd probably call
anyway.
I think you'd be better off just shoving in the first place instead of
inviting cowboys to shove into you. The starting pot is big enough
that winning it uncontested most of the time is better than flipping a
coin a lot of the time.
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