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Date: 05 Jan 2009 16:02:02
From: Irish Mike
Subject: An atheist funeral
Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do? I've been
to Catholic Funeral Masses. I've been to Protestant Funeral Services. I've
never been to an atheist funeral. Obviously there's no prayer, faith or
religious aspect to it. You don't believe in resurrection, or after life or
that you're ever going to be reunited with a loved one . No one believes
old Bob is now in a "better place". I mean, if you believe a person just
ceases to exist when they die, kind of like a dead car battery, what kind of
service, if any, do you have?

Irish Mike






 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 13:05:26
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
Is Mike aware that humans buried their dead in ritualistic cermony
long before they invented "God"...?


 
Date: 06 Jan 2009 09:55:49
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
> Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do? I've been
> to Catholic Funeral Masses. I've been to Protestant Funeral Services. I've

The Catholic funeral I attended was a complete waste of time. Very little
celebration of the life that had just passed. I much preferred hanging out
with family/friends and shooting the shit about the deceased.

Unfortunately for you, atheists and agnostics do have a moral compass and
it is quite common for them to have lived a life that is worth
celebrating/remembering upon their death.

Dean

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 16:14:28
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
Absence of a belief in a deity doesn't make a person any less capable
of loving others, paying their respects when they die, or mourning
their loss in the company of others.

What is it with your obsession with people who don't toe your God
line, Mike?

You're a bitter, angry old man.


 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 15:59:25
From: johnny_t
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
Irish Mike wrote:
> Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do? I've been
> to Catholic Funeral Masses. I've been to Protestant Funeral Services. I've
> never been to an atheist funeral. Obviously there's no prayer, faith or
> religious aspect to it. You don't believe in resurrection, or after life or
> that you're ever going to be reunited with a loved one . No one believes
> old Bob is now in a "better place". I mean, if you believe a person just
> ceases to exist when they die, kind of like a dead car battery, what kind of
> service, if any, do you have?
>
> Irish Mike
>
>


A funeral is a time for remembrance. A payment in respect to the life
that that had connection and affect on yours.

It is about the process of life.

It is not about religion or the afterlife or a better place, nor to
provide an explanation of the inequity of the world or God's plan.

You know, this is easier to fathom than why someone calls an all in
raise on a TT2 board with 44.

That shit will make you start talking to God.


 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 15:52:58
From: DELETETHIS
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
they just slow down to about 35mph and kick them out of the pick up
truck at the alligator farm

Irish Mike wrote:
> Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do? I've been
> to Catholic Funeral Masses. I've been to Protestant Funeral Services. I've
> never been to an atheist funeral. Obviously there's no prayer, faith or
> religious aspect to it. You don't believe in resurrection, or after life or
> that you're ever going to be reunited with a loved one . No one believes
> old Bob is now in a "better place". I mean, if you believe a person just
> ceases to exist when they die, kind of like a dead car battery, what kind of
> service, if any, do you have?
>
> Irish Mike
>
>


 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 13:48:55
From: Jason Pawloski
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 5 2009 2:02 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do? I've been
> to Catholic Funeral Masses. I've been to Protestant Funeral Services. I've
> never been to an atheist funeral. Obviously there's no prayer, faith or
> religious aspect to it. You don't believe in resurrection, or after life or
> that you're ever going to be reunited with a loved one . No one believes
> old Bob is now in a "better place". I mean, if you believe a person just
> ceases to exist when they die, kind of like a dead car battery, what kind of
> service, if any, do you have?
>
> Irish Mike

Can you explain to me why no God implies no heaven or no "better place?"
It seems you are deriving that from God implies heaven, which, of course,
is a logical fallacy.

Can you also explain to me why atheists shouldn't feel the need to
celebrate a life that has lived, hopefully well? Why do you have to
believe in God to have a day of memory?

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 16:01:32
From: johnny_t
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
Jason Pawloski wrote:

> Can you explain to me why no God implies no heaven or no "better place?"
> It seems you are deriving that from God implies heaven, which, of course,
> is a logical fallacy.
>

GD'it. This is of course brilliant. Thank you!


 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 21:40:53
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
Funeral services aren't for the benefit of the dead. They're
for the benefit of the living, so that they can grieve together,
share memories of the departed, and come together as a community
to start to fill in the hole left behind by the person who is
no longer with us.

I went to an incredibly moving memorial service a few years ago.
People told stories of their friend, they laughed together, they
cried together, and they celebrated the life of a wonderful person
who died far too young.

As far as I can tell, the primary purpose of sprinking religion
on something like this is to give people some sense that the
person isn't really gone. "He's gone to a better place."

-Patti
--
Patti Beadles, Oakland, CA


  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 16:28:15
From: Abbey Johnsson
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 5 2009 4:40 PM, Patti Beadles wrote:

> Funeral services aren't for the benefit of the dead. They're
> for the benefit of the living, so that they can grieve together,
> share memories of the departed, and come together as a community
> to start to fill in the hole

Bring your own shovel?

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 21:49:55
From: Murray Logan
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral

> As far as I can tell, the primary purpose of sprinking religion
> on something like this is to give people some sense that the
> person isn't really gone. "He's gone to a better place."
>
> -Patti


Jesus needed another plumber in heaven, and that's why he took daddy.




Mur


 
Date: 05 Jan 2009 13:30:59
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 5 2009 1:02 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do? I've been
> to Catholic Funeral Masses. I've been to Protestant Funeral Services. I've
> never been to an atheist funeral. Obviously there's no prayer, faith or
> religious aspect to it. You don't believe in resurrection, or after life or
> that you're ever going to be reunited with a loved one . No one believes
> old Bob is now in a "better place". I mean, if you believe a person just
> ceases to exist when they die, kind of like a dead car battery, what kind of
> service, if any, do you have?
>
> Irish Mike

Funerals are morbid and sick. Paying $10k for a box and putting a dead
guy in it in the ground is even sicker.

I'm donating my body to a med school as a cadaver, so just call them and
have them pick me up.


Brew
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Date: 06 Jan 2009 16:58:55
From: Lab Rat
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral

"brewmaster" <a163b@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:jpaa36xrda.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 5 2009 1:02 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
>> Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do? I've
>> been
>> to Catholic Funeral Masses. I've been to Protestant Funeral Services.
>> I've
>> never been to an atheist funeral. Obviously there's no prayer, faith or
>> religious aspect to it. You don't believe in resurrection, or after life
>> or
>> that you're ever going to be reunited with a loved one . No one believes
>> old Bob is now in a "better place". I mean, if you believe a person just
>> ceases to exist when they die, kind of like a dead car battery, what kind
>> of
>> service, if any, do you have?
>>
>> Irish Mike
>
> Funerals are morbid and sick. Paying $10k for a box and putting a dead
> guy in it in the ground is even sicker.
>
> I'm donating my body to a med school as a cadaver, so just call them and
> have them pick me up.
>
>
> Brew
> --
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No worries, Brew. Is next Tuesday too soon? ;)




   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 10:16:06
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 5 2009 10:58 PM, Lab Rat wrote:

> "brewmaster" <a163b@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:jpaa36xrda.ln2@recgroups.com...
> > On Jan 5 2009 1:02 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> >
> >> Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do? I've
> >> been
> >> to Catholic Funeral Masses. I've been to Protestant Funeral Services.
> >> I've
> >> never been to an atheist funeral. Obviously there's no prayer, faith or
> >> religious aspect to it. You don't believe in resurrection, or after life
> >> or
> >> that you're ever going to be reunited with a loved one . No one believes
> >> old Bob is now in a "better place". I mean, if you believe a person just
> >> ceases to exist when they die, kind of like a dead car battery, what kind
> >> of
> >> service, if any, do you have?
> >>
> >> Irish Mike
> >
> > Funerals are morbid and sick. Paying $10k for a box and putting a dead
> > guy in it in the ground is even sicker.
> >
> > I'm donating my body to a med school as a cadaver, so just call them and
> > have them pick me up.
> >
> >
> > Brew
> > --
> > Email me here: http://tinymail.me/k4r2nk
> >
> No worries, Brew. Is next Tuesday too soon? ;)

Works for me.


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Date: 07 Jan 2009 04:08:51
From: Beldin the Sorcerer
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral

"brewmaster" <a163b@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:6ojc36x5ch.ln2@recgroups.com...
> On Jan 5 2009 10:58 PM, Lab Rat wrote:
>
>> "brewmaster" <a163b@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:jpaa36xrda.ln2@recgroups.com...
>> > On Jan 5 2009 1:02 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>> >
>> >> Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do? I've
>> >> been
>> >> to Catholic Funeral Masses. I've been to Protestant Funeral Services.
>> >> I've
>> >> never been to an atheist funeral. Obviously there's no prayer, faith
>> >> or
>> >> religious aspect to it. You don't believe in resurrection, or after
>> >> life
>> >> or
>> >> that you're ever going to be reunited with a loved one . No one
>> >> believes
>> >> old Bob is now in a "better place". I mean, if you believe a person
>> >> just
>> >> ceases to exist when they die, kind of like a dead car battery, what
>> >> kind
>> >> of
>> >> service, if any, do you have?
>> >>
>> >> Irish Mike
>> >
>> > Funerals are morbid and sick. Paying $10k for a box and putting a dead
>> > guy in it in the ground is even sicker.
>> >
>> > I'm donating my body to a med school as a cadaver, so just call them
>> > and
>> > have them pick me up.
>> >
>> >
>> > Brew
>> > --
>> > Email me here: http://tinymail.me/k4r2nk
>> >
>> No worries, Brew. Is next Tuesday too soon? ;)
>
> Works for me.
>
No hurry.
Alchohol preserves the tissue, right?





  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 14:51:36
From: Deadmoney Walking
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 5, 4:30=A0pm, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 5 2009 1:02 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do? =A0I'v=
e =A0been
> > to Catholic Funeral Masses. =A0I've been to Protestant Funeral Services=
. =A0I've
> > never been to an atheist funeral. =A0Obviously there's no prayer, faith=
or
> > religious aspect to it. =A0You don't believe in resurrection, or after =
life or
> > that you're ever going to be reunited with a loved one . =A0No one beli=
eves
> > old Bob is now in a "better place". =A0I mean, if you believe a person =
just
> > ceases to exist when they die, kind of like a dead car battery, what ki=
nd of
> > service, if any, do you have?
>
> > Irish Mike
>
> Funerals are morbid and sick. =A0Paying $10k for a box and putting a dead
> guy in it in the ground is even sicker.
>
> I'm donating my body to a med school as a cadaver, so just call them and
> have them pick me up.
>
> Brew
> --
> Email me here:http://tinymail.me/k4r2nk
>
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If someone didn;t believe in any physical reurrection than why not put
the corpse in the ground directly so it can help the soil? Funeral
parlors sound like one big racket to me.


   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 17:00:55
From: Lab Rat
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral

"Deadmoney Walking" <tbonesays@gmail.com > wrote in message
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On Jan 5, 4:30 pm, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> On Jan 5 2009 1:02 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
>
> > Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do? I've
> > been
> > to Catholic Funeral Masses. I've been to Protestant Funeral Services.
> > I've
> > never been to an atheist funeral. Obviously there's no prayer, faith or
> > religious aspect to it. You don't believe in resurrection, or after life
> > or
> > that you're ever going to be reunited with a loved one . No one believes
> > old Bob is now in a "better place". I mean, if you believe a person just
> > ceases to exist when they die, kind of like a dead car battery, what
> > kind of
> > service, if any, do you have?
>
> > Irish Mike
>
> Funerals are morbid and sick. Paying $10k for a box and putting a dead
> guy in it in the ground is even sicker.
>
> I'm donating my body to a med school as a cadaver, so just call them and
> have them pick me up.
>
> Brew
> --
> Email me here:http://tinymail.me/k4r2nk
>
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If someone didn;t believe in any physical reurrection than why not put
the corpse in the ground directly so it can help the soil? Funeral
parlors sound like one big racket to me.
-------------------------------------------
Coffins reduce microbial groundwater contamination.





    
Date: 06 Jan 2009 03:41:07
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 17:00:55 +1000, "Lab Rat"
<robbie.buckley@optusnet.moc.au > wrote:

>If someone didn;t believe in any physical reurrection than why not put
>the corpse in the ground directly so it can help the soil? Funeral
>parlors sound like one big racket to me.
>-------------------------------------------
>Coffins reduce microbial groundwater contamination.

Yep. We don't need any more typhoid epidemics.

Peg


  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 13:43:47
From: Mr Bungle 34
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
Getting cremated. If people want to get together informally and party
in remembrence of me thats ok but no formal services. Why anyone would
buy a pricey coffin to rot away in baffles me...


   
Date: 05 Jan 2009 18:41:47
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:43:47 -0800 (PST), Mr Bungle 34
<michael_grove34@hotmail.com > wrote:

>Getting cremated. If people want to get together informally and party
>in remembrence of me thats ok but no formal services. Why anyone would
>buy a pricey coffin to rot away in baffles me...

I don't even want money spent for cremation. I've asked that my body
be donated to the nearest medical center for dissection by the
students.

Peg


    
Date: 05 Jan 2009 22:03:19
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:41:47 -0600, Peg Smith <pegsmith777@aol.com >
wrote:

>On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:43:47 -0800 (PST), Mr Bungle 34
><michael_grove34@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Getting cremated. If people want to get together informally and party
>>in remembrence of me thats ok but no formal services. Why anyone would
>>buy a pricey coffin to rot away in baffles me...
>
>I don't even want money spent for cremation. I've asked that my body
>be donated to the nearest medical center for dissection by the
>students.
>
>Peg

Ooooh

How could you do such a thing to those poor, innocent students?


     
Date: 05 Jan 2009 22:14:37
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 22:03:19 -0600, FL Turbo <noemail@notime.com >
wrote:

>>I don't even want money spent for cremation. I've asked that my body
>>be donated to the nearest medical center for dissection by the
>>students.
>>
>>Peg
>
>Ooooh
>
>How could you do such a thing to those poor, innocent students?

It damned sure isn't a very nice thing to do to them. You don't need
to be asshole enough to say so, though. lol

Peg


    
Date: 05 Jan 2009 20:38:38
From: Robert Ladd
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral

"Peg Smith" <pegsmith777@aol.com > wrote in message
news:ru95m41n7r3eqj753ccnahb0u80rltljiq@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:43:47 -0800 (PST), Mr Bungle 34
> <michael_grove34@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Getting cremated. If people want to get together informally and party
>>in remembrence of me thats ok but no formal services. Why anyone would
>>buy a pricey coffin to rot away in baffles me...
>
> I don't even want money spent for cremation. I've asked that my body
> be donated to the nearest medical center for dissection by the
> students.
>
> Peg

Maybe you could donate your body to me Peg, at least one time before you
die. I promise a thorough examination to guarantee that those students are
getting a valuable resource.

Robert Ladd




     
Date: 07 Jan 2009 08:39:18
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
> Maybe you could donate your body to me Peg, at least one time before you
> die. I promise a thorough examination to guarantee that those students are
> getting a valuable resource.
>
> Robert Ladd

That is one of the single creepiest things I have EVER read.

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 19:28:25
From: RazzO
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
OMG! Thanks, Peg. One "Hell" of an idea. I think you just saved me a bunch
of money.
I've seen cadavers in film and stuff. Never thought I would want to be
one. Heh.




On Jan 5 2009 4:41 PM, Peg Smith wrote:

> I don't even want money spent for cremation. I've asked that my body
> be donated to the nearest medical center for dissection by the
> students.
>
> Peg


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Date: 05 Jan 2009 19:28:22
From: Porsche_Dan
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 5 2009 4:41 PM, Peg Smith wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:43:47 -0800 (PST), Mr Bungle 34
> <michael_grove34@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Getting cremated. If people want to get together informally and party
> >in remembrence of me thats ok but no formal services. Why anyone would
> >buy a pricey coffin to rot away in baffles me...
>
> I don't even want money spent for cremation. I've asked that my body
> be donated to the nearest medical center for dissection by the
> students.
>
> Peg

They will probably use it for plastic surgery practice. That whole lift,
nip, tuck stuff is hard to master I hear! Seriously, that is where the old
lady cadavers go.

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 08:38:08
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
> > I don't even want money spent for cremation. I've asked that my body
> > be donated to the nearest medical center for dissection by the
> > students.

It is a good idea, but for me personally it is a tough decision. I have
never been dead. I have NO IDEA what happens after 'I die'.

It scares me a 'little' to know that someone is going to be slicing me up.

I mean Egyptians were the first for SOOOOOO many things (way ahead of the
curve) and the ones who could afford it protected their dead body more
than they did their living body.

I'm just saying.

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Date: 08 Jan 2009 08:41:33
From: Lab Rat
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral

"John_Brian_K" <a7ecb57@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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>> > I don't even want money spent for cremation. I've asked that my body
>> > be donated to the nearest medical center for dissection by the
>> > students.
>
> It is a good idea, but for me personally it is a tough decision. I have
> never been dead. I have NO IDEA what happens after 'I die'.
>
> It scares me a 'little' to know that someone is going to be slicing me up.
>
> I mean Egyptians were the first for SOOOOOO many things (way ahead of the
> curve) and the ones who could afford it protected their dead body more
> than they did their living body.

After sucking out the brain, and the rest of the internal organs. When you
think about it, removing a brain through a nostril is quite a trick.




      
Date: 07 Jan 2009 09:32:17
From: Aodhan
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
> I mean Egyptians were the first for SOOOOOO many things (way ahead of the
> curve) and the ones who could afford it protected their dead body more
> than they did their living body.

And they also killed their servants and buried them with them so they
could have servants in the afterlife. Sounds logical to me.

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 09:39:09
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
> And they also killed their servants and buried them with them so they
> could have servants in the afterlife. Sounds logical to me.

And 'God' sent a flood to kill everything on the planet except for a pair
of everything! lol

That is definitely more logical.

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 13:31:43
From: Aodhan
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 7 2009 10:39 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:

> > And they also killed their servants and buried them with them so they
> > could have servants in the afterlife. Sounds logical to me.
>
> And 'God' sent a flood to kill everything on the planet except for a pair
> of everything! lol
>
> That is definitely more logical.

Non sequiter.

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Date: 07 Jan 2009 13:40:39
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
> Non sequiter.

I know you spelled that wrong.

And not really.

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 22:07:42
From: Peg Smith
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Mon, 05 Jan 2009 19:28:22 -0800, "Porsche_Dan"
<porsche.dan@gmail.com > wrote:

>> I don't even want money spent for cremation. I've asked that my body
>> be donated to the nearest medical center for dissection by the
>> students.
>>
>> Peg
>
>They will probably use it for plastic surgery practice. That whole lift,
>nip, tuck stuff is hard to master I hear! Seriously, that is where the old
>lady cadavers go.

Don't make me no nevermind, baby. I couldn't care less if they throw
me in a field and plow me under for fertilizer.

Peg


    
Date: 05 Jan 2009 19:11:17
From: brewmaster
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 5 2009 4:41 PM, Peg Smith wrote:

> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 13:43:47 -0800 (PST), Mr Bungle 34
> <michael_grove34@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Getting cremated. If people want to get together informally and party
> >in remembrence of me thats ok but no formal services. Why anyone would
> >buy a pricey coffin to rot away in baffles me...
>
> I don't even want money spent for cremation. I've asked that my body
> be donated to the nearest medical center for dissection by the
> students.

That's what I want too, but I'm toying with giving my body to the "body
farm" (you know, the one where they teach forensic techs to figure out
details of deaths).

>
> Peg


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Date: 05 Jan 2009 13:23:03
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 5, 1:02=A0pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do? =A0I've =
=A0been
> to Catholic Funeral Masses. =A0I've been to Protestant Funeral Services. =
=A0I've
> never been to an atheist funeral. =A0Obviously there's no prayer, faith o=
r
> religious aspect to it. =A0You don't believe in resurrection, or after li=
fe or
> that you're ever going to be reunited with a loved one . =A0No one believ=
es
> old Bob is now in a "better place". =A0I mean, if you believe a person ju=
st
> ceases to exist when they die, kind of like a dead car battery, what kind=
of
> service, if any, do you have?

Why do Christians bother with memorial services at all? After all, in
a few short years you're going to rejoin Aunt Mary and spend all
eternity with her singing hosannahs in Heaven.

Maybe we love people and miss them when they die, Mike. Maybe we miss
them even more because we don't delude ourselves into believing that
they still exist in some mythical afterlife.

- Bob T.
>
> Irish Mike



  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 17:34:10
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 6, 5:22=A0pm, FL Turbo <noem...@notime.com > wrote:


> You really, really love Susan, don't you?



I love her for constantly reminding me that a mind is a terrible thing
to waste.


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 13:04:01
From: OrangeSFO
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 6, 11:58=A0am, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

> Susan, that's the smartest thing you've ever written.


Susan has a firm grasp of the obvious.



   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 20:18:11
From: Susan
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral

"OrangeSFO" <intangible103@yahoo.com > wrote in message
news:2a29f3e4-1058-49fe-b6d0-686fab16fc48@z6g2000pre.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 6, 11:58 am, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:

>> Susan, that's the smartest thing you've ever written.


>Susan has a firm grasp of the obvious.

My firm grasp of the obvious questions why you haven't mentioned the
Obama/Richardson/Rubin connection. See, the obvious reason would be that
just maybe this would be news, as opposed to regurgitating stuff about Sarah
Palin. But then again, an obvious reason would be that it isn't
particularly newsworthy because it's doesn't slam McCain or republicans.

I am so confused

http://abcnews.go.com:80/Blotter/Politics/story?id=6586275&page=1




   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:22:07
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:04:01 -0800 (PST), OrangeSFO
<intangible103@yahoo.com > wrote:

>On Jan 6, 11:58 am, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Susan, that's the smartest thing you've ever written.
>
>
>Susan has a firm grasp of the obvious.

You really, really love Susan, don't you?


    
Date: 06 Jan 2009 20:40:44
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral

"FL Turbo" <noemail@notime.com > wrote in message
news:vm08m49r5ro6otprfg0qgli7l9c7ckoa59@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 6 Jan 2009 13:04:01 -0800 (PST), OrangeSFO
> <intangible103@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 6, 11:58 am, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> Susan, that's the smartest thing you've ever written.
>>
>>
>>Susan has a firm grasp of the obvious.
>
> You really, really love Susan, don't you?

Don't we all?

Irish Mike




  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 15:55:15
From: Susan
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral

"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com > wrote in message news:7d4f13d5-a120-4614-aaa3-

>Why do Christians bother with memorial services at all? After all, in
>a few short years you're going to rejoin Aunt Mary and spend all
>eternity with her singing hosannahs in Heaven.

I think a memorial service is for those who are left behind to help the
greiving process, NOT for those who have died.




   
Date: 08 Jan 2009 14:24:43
From: Pepe Papon
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 15:55:15 -0600, "Susan" <sdbratt48@netscape.net >
wrote:

>
>"Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message news:7d4f13d5-a120-4614-aaa3-
>
>>Why do Christians bother with memorial services at all? After all, in
>>a few short years you're going to rejoin Aunt Mary and spend all
>>eternity with her singing hosannahs in Heaven.
>
>I think a memorial service is for those who are left behind to help the
>greiving process, NOT for those who have died.
>

Susan, please stop being so reasonable. You're scaring me.


   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 11:58:27
From: ChrisRobin
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 5 2009 4:55 PM, Susan wrote:

> "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com> wrote in message news:7d4f13d5-a120-4614-aaa3-
>
> >Why do Christians bother with memorial services at all? After all, in
> >a few short years you're going to rejoin Aunt Mary and spend all
> >eternity with her singing hosannahs in Heaven.
>
> I think a memorial service is for those who are left behind to help the
> greiving process, NOT for those who have died.

Susan, that's the smartest thing you've ever written.

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Date: 06 Jan 2009 15:23:50
From: pltrgyst
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:58:27 -0800, "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid >
wrote:

>On Jan 5 2009 4:55 PM, Susan wrote:
>
>> I think a memorial service is for those who are left behind to help the
>> greiving process, NOT for those who have died.
>
>Susan, that's the smartest thing you've ever written.

Of course, to be fair, that opinion has been previously expressed by thousands
of others.

-- Larry


     
Date: 06 Jan 2009 14:54:53
From: Susan
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral

"pltrgyst" <pltrgyst@spamlessxhost.org > wrote in message
news:qbf7m4tl9u1k6vj03bonloir6vt3t2u0j7@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 11:58:27 -0800, "ChrisRobin" <a9dbf1e@webnntp.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>>On Jan 5 2009 4:55 PM, Susan wrote:
>>
>>> I think a memorial service is for those who are left behind to help the
>>> greiving process, NOT for those who have died.
>>
>>Susan, that's the smartest thing you've ever written.
>
> Of course, to be fair, that opinion has been previously expressed by
> thousands
> of others.
>
> -- Larry

Of course, to be fair, I'm pretty sure I posted that before anyone else - or
at least before I had read anyone else say that.

And, of course, to be fair, I"m pretty sure I spelled grieving wrong.

PDS




      
Date: 06 Jan 2009 23:35:31
From: Patti Beadles
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
In article <myP8l.33642$Ac2.14143@newsfe01.iad >,
Susan <sdbratt48@netscape.net > wrote:

>Of course, to be fair, I'm pretty sure I posted that before anyone else - or
>at least before I had read anyone else say that.

Well, no. You posted it at Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:55:07 UTC.
I beat you to it by 15 minutes: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:40:53 +0000 (UTC)
But now I'm just being silly, and trying to avoid work.

-Patti
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Date: 06 Jan 2009 17:38:47
From: Susan
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral

"Patti Beadles" <pattib@green.rahul.net > wrote in message
news:gk0ps3$q40$1@blue.rahul.net...
> In article <myP8l.33642$Ac2.14143@newsfe01.iad>,
> Susan <sdbratt48@netscape.net> wrote:
>
>>Of course, to be fair, I'm pretty sure I posted that before anyone else -
>>or
>>at least before I had read anyone else say that.
>
> Well, no. You posted it at Mon, 05 Jan 2009 21:55:07 UTC.
> I beat you to it by 15 minutes: Mon, 5 Jan 2009 21:40:53 +0000 (UTC)
> But now I'm just being silly, and trying to avoid work.
>
> -Patti

teehee you win




      
Date: 06 Jan 2009 14:58:13
From: Aodhan
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
> > Of course, to be fair, that opinion has been previously expressed by
> > thousands
> > of others.
> >
> > -- Larry
>
> Of course, to be fair, I'm pretty sure I posted that before anyone else - or
> at least before I had read anyone else say that.

Of course, to be fair, just because you were the first to express that
notion in this thread does not mean you were the originator of the idea.

But, keep trying. Maybe the law of averages will take a nap and you can
post TWO cogent thoughts this month. Be careful of peaking too early,
though...

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 13:21:33
From: Will_gamble
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 5 2009 3:02 PM, Irish Mike wrote:

> Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do? I've been
> to Catholic Funeral Masses. I've been to Protestant Funeral Services. I've
> never been to an atheist funeral. Obviously there's no prayer, faith or
> religious aspect to it. You don't believe in resurrection, or after life or
> that you're ever going to be reunited with a loved one . No one believes
> old Bob is now in a "better place". I mean, if you believe a person just
> ceases to exist when they die, kind of like a dead car battery, what kind of
> service, if any, do you have?
>
> Irish Mike

Memorial service? A bar for a party? Celebration of life? A wake?


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Date: 05 Jan 2009 21:12:34
From: Longines
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
Irish Mike wrote:
> Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do?

http://www.humanism.org.uk/ceremonies/humanist-funerals-memorials




  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 10:29:16
From: cappeca
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
Irish Mike wrote:
> "A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nobody@fool.foo> wrote in message
> news:6bg5m4597eab01ro92g6pthdrf4fq4866e@4ax.com...
> > On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:18:26 -0800 (PST), "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Irish Reich excretes another example of why religionists are stupid
> > fucking turds.
>
> Just when you think the bar is as low as it can possibly get, jacks manages
> to lower it another notch.
>
> Irish Mike

You sound as if he beat you to it.


  
Date: 06 Jan 2009 09:59:29
From:
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 6, 12:23=A0am, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> <tranger...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:bcc4ebf3-9ff4-4cf6-8647-67052e5a508d@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 5, 9:05 pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
>
> > "A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nob...@fool.foo> wrote in
> > messagenews:6bg5m4597eab01ro92g6pthdrf4fq4866e@4ax.com...
>
> > > On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:18:26 -0800 (PST), "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.co=
m >
> > > wrote:
>
> > > Irish Reich excretes another example of why religionists are stupid
> > > fucking turds.
>
> > Just when you think the bar is as low as it can possibly get, jacks
> > manages
> > to lower it another notch.
>
> > Irish Mike
>
> Irish Mike talking about lowering the bar...after he starts a thread
> asking the purpose of funerals.
>
> Your lack of reading comprehension even exceeds your lack of intelligence=
.
> Seriously bucko, you have got to be the dimmest bulb in the entire traile=
r
> park. =A0I asked, specifically, about atheist funeral services. =A0Now go=
have
> another six pack and try to get that twist our of your knickers.
>
> Irish Mike

I'll type slow cause I know you can't read fast. Asking about the
purpose of atheist funerals is no different than asking about funerals
in general.

Anxiously awaiting your next post asking why atheists eat breakfast.


  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 20:04:51
From:
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 5, 9:05=A0pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nob...@fool.foo> wrote in messagenews:6bg5m4597e=
ab01ro92g6pthdrf4fq4866e@4ax.com...
>
> > On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:18:26 -0800 (PST), "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > Irish Reich excretes another example of why religionists are stupid
> > fucking turds.
>
> Just when you think the bar is as low as it can possibly get, jacks manag=
es
> to lower it another notch.
>
> Irish Mike

Irish Mike talking about lowering the bar...after he starts a thread
asking the purpose of funerals.

Please stop identifying yourself as American. You're an
embarassment. For serious.


   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 01:23:27
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral

<trangers16@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:bcc4ebf3-9ff4-4cf6-8647-67052e5a508d@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 5, 9:05 pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nob...@fool.foo> wrote in
> messagenews:6bg5m4597eab01ro92g6pthdrf4fq4866e@4ax.com...
>
> > On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:18:26 -0800 (PST), "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > Irish Reich excretes another example of why religionists are stupid
> > fucking turds.
>
> Just when you think the bar is as low as it can possibly get, jacks
> manages
> to lower it another notch.
>
> Irish Mike

Irish Mike talking about lowering the bar...after he starts a thread
asking the purpose of funerals.

Your lack of reading comprehension even exceeds your lack of intelligence.
Seriously bucko, you have got to be the dimmest bulb in the entire trailer
park. I asked, specifically, about atheist funeral services. Now go have
another six pack and try to get that twist our of your knickers.

Irish Mike





    
Date: 06 Jan 2009 11:14:10
From: garycarson
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 6 2009 1:23 AM, Irish Mike wrote:

> <trangers16@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:bcc4ebf3-9ff4-4cf6-8647-67052e5a508d@w39g2000prb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jan 5, 9:05 pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote:
> > "A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nob...@fool.foo> wrote in
> > messagenews:6bg5m4597eab01ro92g6pthdrf4fq4866e@4ax.com...
> >
> > > On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:18:26 -0800 (PST), "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com>
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > Irish Reich excretes another example of why religionists are stupid
> > > fucking turds.
> >
> > Just when you think the bar is as low as it can possibly get, jacks
> > manages
> > to lower it another notch.
> >
> > Irish Mike
>
> Irish Mike talking about lowering the bar...after he starts a thread
> asking the purpose of funerals.
>
> Your lack of reading comprehension even exceeds your lack of intelligence.
> Seriously bucko, you have got to be the dimmest bulb in the entire trailer
> park. I asked, specifically, about atheist funeral services.

I'm an atheist.
I'm not dead.
Therefore,
Aethists don't die.

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Date: 05 Jan 2009 18:51:10
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 5, 6:27=A0pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo > wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:18:26 -0800 (PST), "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com>
> wrote:
>
> Irish Reich excretes another example of why religionists are stupid fucki=
ng turds.

Blaming "religionists" for Mike's posts makes no more sense than
blaming the Irish. Or guys named Mike. There are plenty of stupid
fucking atheists in the world, too, and many of them post on Usenet.

- Bob T.


   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 10:08:40
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:51:10 -0800 (PST), "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com >
wrote:

>On Jan 5, 6:27 pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo> wrote:
>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:18:26 -0800 (PST), "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Irish Reich excretes another example of why religionists are stupid fucking turds.
>
>Blaming "religionists" for Mike's posts makes no more sense than
>blaming the Irish. Or guys named Mike. There are plenty of stupid
>fucking atheists in the world, too, and many of them post on Usenet.

"Religionist" isn't "any believer in religion," just like "Islamist"
isn't "any Muslim." The "ists" are invariably assholes. That is
their defining characteristic.


    
Date: 06 Jan 2009 19:15:56
From: FL Turbo
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:08:40 -0500, A Man Beaten by Jacks
<nobody@fool.foo > wrote:

>On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 18:51:10 -0800 (PST), "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Jan 5, 6:27 pm, A Man Beaten by Jacks <nob...@fool.foo> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:18:26 -0800 (PST), "Bob T." <b...@synapse-cs.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Irish Reich excretes another example of why religionists are stupid fucking turds.
>>
>>Blaming "religionists" for Mike's posts makes no more sense than
>>blaming the Irish. Or guys named Mike. There are plenty of stupid
>>fucking atheists in the world, too, and many of them post on Usenet.
>
>"Religionist" isn't "any believer in religion," just like "Islamist"
>isn't "any Muslim." The "ists" are invariably assholes. That is
>their defining characteristic.

I think you nailed it.

Add smug and arrogant to the list, and you got an Atheist.


  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 14:18:26
From: Bob T.
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Jan 5, 2:04=A0pm, "Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net > wrote:
> "Longines" <longinespo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1231189958.30133.0@proxy00.news.clara.net...
>
> > Irish Mike wrote:
> >> Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do?
>
> >http://www.humanism.org.uk/ceremonies/humanist-funerals-memorials
>
> Interesting. =A0They're atheists but call themselves "humanists". =A0 Is =
that
> more politically correct?

Some Christians call themselves "Catholics". Is that more politically
correct?

- Bob T.
>
> Irish Mike



   
Date: 05 Jan 2009 21:27:20
From: A Man Beaten by Jacks
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral
On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:18:26 -0800 (PST), "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com >
wrote:

Irish Reich excretes another example of why religionists are stupid
fucking turds.


    
Date: 05 Jan 2009 22:05:35
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral

"A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nobody@fool.foo > wrote in message
news:6bg5m4597eab01ro92g6pthdrf4fq4866e@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 5 Jan 2009 14:18:26 -0800 (PST), "Bob T." <bob@synapse-cs.com>
> wrote:
>
> Irish Reich excretes another example of why religionists are stupid
> fucking turds.

Just when you think the bar is as low as it can possibly get, jacks manages
to lower it another notch.

Irish Mike





  
Date: 05 Jan 2009 17:04:48
From: Irish Mike
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral

"Longines" <longinespoker@hotmail.com > wrote in message
news:1231189958.30133.0@proxy00.news.clara.net...
> Irish Mike wrote:
>> Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do?
>
> http://www.humanism.org.uk/ceremonies/humanist-funerals-memorials

Interesting. They're atheists but call themselves "humanists". Is that
more politically correct?


Irish Mike





   
Date: 06 Jan 2009 10:34:12
From: Sir Benjamin Nunn
Subject: Re: An atheist funeral


"Irish Mike" <mjostar@ameritech.net > wrote in message
news:2uv8l.735$%54.274@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>
> "Longines" <longinespoker@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1231189958.30133.0@proxy00.news.clara.net...
>> Irish Mike wrote:
>>> Do atheists have funeral "services" and, if so, what do they do?
>>
>> http://www.humanism.org.uk/ceremonies/humanist-funerals-memorials
>
> Interesting. They're atheists but call themselves "humanists". Is that
> more politically correct?


'Humanists' aren't simply Atheists, Mike, they're Atheists who have picked
and chosen the worst bits of religious zealousness to use for themselves, so
they can preach their sanctimonious morality at everybody without any
meaning or purpose behind it other than their own opinions.

They are the biggest hypocrites on the planet.

BTN