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Date: 26 Jan 2009 20:44:21
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Action Flops---Russ G
Theory of Action Flops

Hundreds of thousands of people play online poker today, and all you
hear about are the bad beats - that miracle last card 'save' for
the fish - and the rest of the rhetoric. All things end, and if the
United States government has its way, so will online gambling.


Here is the theory about 'Action Flops'. Remember I am not stating
you can't beat online poker. Online
poker is beatable, but it isn't the real thing. People can say
whatever they want, but there is nothing like a B&M.


Action flops are those flops that bring all the action and irritate
many with the two outers. The theory behind these flops is most
players
are not professionals. Professionals will always choose a B&M and
move
close to where the action is. Online poker has an incredible group of
new players and very bad players, trying out their skills from behind
a
computer. Most online players are also recreational players and if
you
look at this in the right perspective, these players should be very
easy prey for the professionals. They are easy, but not easy enough.
"Why?" you ask.


First I am not going to discuss a random shuffle, for I wouldn't know
what it was. But, I can tell you, the cards online don't come out the
same way they do in the casinos. I have spent an incredible amount of
time playing on most online sites. Some weeks I spend 70 hours or
more,
playing multiple games on multiple computers. Am I cheating now? The
answer is no. Have I cheated online? Yes. That I will leave for
another
post.


The Action Flop theory is a reality, though I can't prove it. But
'they' can't prove it isn't either. Yes, you get the right amount
of AA for the hands you play; you get the rest of this package also.
But the reality is you can't track what you get, when you get it,
against whom you get it. Big hands hurt good players. Big hands help
weak players.


The reason behind this is a simple; all good players value bet, bluff
a
lot, and are generally very aggressive. And they have played in
casinos, as this is where the real money is. (Please don't tell me
about online tournaments - these are different case scenarios.)


Good players know how to bet, how to steal and extract the most out
of
the hands they play. Bad players are basically calling stations and
have little knowledge of proper betting techniques. In B&Ms flopping
set over set happens VERY RARELY as opposed to online, and the nut
hands are not always out there. Small hands win. Playing online, you
see more big hands than you would ever see in a B&M.


Now back to the real world and the action flop theory. Superior
players
destroy bad players faster than many could imagine. New players have
read all the poker books, but most of these books don't provide
anything that will make these players winners - most just offer
beginning or basic strategy. These books tell you how much value
small
pairs have. Additionally, much of their basic rhetoric will only hurt
your game once you reach anything close to a moneymaking level.


So here we are with the ACTION FLOPS, those flops that bring all the
action and irritate many with the two outers. If you owned an online
casino you would know that in a short period of time 5% or so of the
players would totally annihilate the rest. Many players could average
more than the drop in a real game. Is this good for the online
casino?
Do you think a casino likes to see anyone win, other than for
publicity's sake?


Action Flops accomplish the following: they let winning players win
far
less than they would normally do if the flops came as they do in
casinos, and they allow bad players to play longer, putting out big
hands that even novice players can extract the maximum from. This
isn't
accomplished by good playing, but rather from the misinterpretation
of
the quality and value of the hand and by having the good players bet
the hand for them. Good players are used to betting their own hands
and
getting value for them through proper betting. Bad players haven't
learned this. With action flops, the good players bet the hands for
the
bad players to ensure them of decent value. Bad players assume the
best
hand is always out there, while good players play pair poker and
value.


End result? The good players win less than they should. By playing
online the bad players have avoided the slaughter they would have
experienced in a B&M enabling them to play much longer than they
would,
enticing them to play even more! Oh yes, the house gets a much larger
rake for its end.


Is a winning player smart enough to argue he isn't winning enough?
Most
wouldn't know how. They are winning, so they really can't complain,
can
they?


The bad players, who normally wouldn't stand a chance, get to play
longer for their dollar. The online sites rake in far more money.
Would
this be considered a good business practice? Obviously since they are
winning, very few winners would complain. The losers are playing
longer
and occasionally hit a tourney and make a score, securing another
fix.
And the rake goes on.


Small players talk about making $100 a week or so, ensuring publicity
for these sites. Losers don't bother talking, as they would rather
not
tell. So now you have the theory in a nutshell. Good players make
less,
bad players last longer and the house makes far more in rake. If you
had an online casino, wouldn't you do all you could to maximize your
profit? Or, perhaps you think these are benevolent institutions?


Russ Georgiev


www.pokermafia.com
www.pokerunchecked.com
www.russgeorgiev.com






 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 21:44:56
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
On Jan 27, 3:33=A0pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com >
wrote:
> I'm stating the online sites are as honest as the people in the US
> governement or myself. BTW, what happened to that last
> $350,000,000,000? In our life times, how many US Presidents have lied
> to the people? What percentage of the Presidents were crooks? The
> politicians have all the money. They make the movie stars and
> musicians look like paupers.
>
> On Jan 27, 12:29 pm, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Russ, are you saying that online sites are corrupt? Just some or all
> > of them?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

RussGee documentation of corrupt politicians go back to when hitler
made his move to become dominate over the JEWS, The Britts sunk two US
luxury liners and blamed it on Germany to inviter the US to world
war!! Them Brown boys took to it like a SICK KITTEN TO A WARM BRICK
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

This trick was used by the US to go to war on Afganistan and Iraq!
They called it 911.

Long before then to the victor goes the spoils of war was blamed on
GODS WILL LET IT BE DONE!!

Its a money thing depopulation was introduced by Kissenger as there
was not enough money to go around! The guide lines still follow the
King James version of Revolations there will be plauges and earth
quakes in divers places.Alfred Webber says aids,diebeties
parkinsons,cancer,..ect are labratory chemical warfare to kill off the
population if the wars are not enough and estrogen is added to the
water and food supplyto deplete their testostron level to make men
impotent and incapable of reproduction at an early age!! Also blames
global warming on microwaves from star wars satellites???


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 21:18:31
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G

> Geez..You sounded like a real politician with an answer like that. You
> didn't answer YES or NO but didn't discount the possibility that
> corruption is possible. In my opinion, they are ALL corrupt. Every one
> of them!

Dont give up just yet Mr Book Worn I'm low on my meds as soon as they
kick in I'll be back to normal(incoheirent) again!


I got an Amen there from the Senator!! Yes you cant apply stagies to
out do cheatware!! I beat the cheats at online play money games at a
very slow pace! THEY WILL LET YOU WIN UNTILL YOU GET A STACK, THEN
THEY WILL JUMP ON YOUR POCKET ACES PUSHING YOU ALL IN PREFLOP WITH AN
83 OFF SUIT AND LEAVE YOU BROKE!! So I go to the bank with every 20k
I'm up<I;-)

All online sites are hackable with editing software! The salers of
such software send you to free sites and guide you to victory till
your capable of going it solo!! The online freeby sites cant prosicute
the cheat but do well by training them how not to be obvious!!






 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 15:27:50
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
On Jan 27, 3:33=A0pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com >
wrote:
> I'm stating the online sites are as honest as the people in the US
> governement or myself. BTW, what happened to that last
> $350,000,000,000? In our life times, how many US Presidents have lied
> to the people? What percentage of the Presidents were crooks? The
> politicians have all the money. They make the movie stars and
> musicians look like paupers.

Geez..You sounded like a real politician with an answer like that. You
didn't answer YES or NO but didn't discount the possibility that
corruption is possible. In my opinion, they are ALL corrupt. Every one
of them!


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:33:45
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
I'm stating the online sites are as honest as the people in the US
governement or myself. BTW, what happened to that last
$350,000,000,000? In our life times, how many US Presidents have lied
to the people? What percentage of the Presidents were crooks? The
politicians have all the money. They make the movie stars and
musicians look like paupers.






On Jan 27, 12:29=EF=BF=BDpm, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com > wrote:
> Russ, are you saying that online sites are corrupt? Just some or all
> of them?



 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:29:00
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
Russ, are you saying that online sites are corrupt? Just some or all
of them?


 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:20:06
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
So, you're stating odds are different on online sites than in B&Ms?





On Jan 27, 10:34=EF=BF=BDam, "MrBookworm" <a825...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> > As stated online poker should not be governed by any such books or
> > statigies!
>
> Joeturn,
>
> I'm impressed! You actually put together some coherent thoughts on a
> topic. I'll let you slide on the fact that you're full of shit, but nice
> job!
>
> Dean
>
> "When you respond to me, you are responding to a troll." - Paul Popinjay
> 1/16/2009
>
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:57:37
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
> So, you're stating odds are different on online sites than in B&Ms?

I assume you're responding to Joeturn, as I didn't make any such
statement. I was simply impressed with the fact that Joeturn wrote some
sentances that a human english speaker could somewhat understand.

Dean

"When you respond to me, you are responding to a troll." - Paul Popinjay
1/16/2009

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:19:14
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G


Two posts on RGP? Aonymous at that? How in the world would you know?



On Jan 27, 4:41=EF=BF=BDam, GD <g...@nospam.eliza.nl > wrote:
> RussGeorg...@aol.com wrote:
> > Theory of Action Flops
>
> <snip>
>
> > If you
> > had an online casino, wouldn't you do all you could to maximize your
> > profit? Or, perhaps you think these are benevolent institutions?
>
> > Russ Georgiev
>
> If I owned a online casino, I would ask my senior programmer: How do we
> maximize the profit?
> If I was the senior programmer, I would answer: "Let's do it right,
> which translates to: minimize the bugs, maximize user convenience.
>
> To the question: What about 'Action Flops?' I would answer:
> "You know nothing about programming. It will take weeks, or months to
> get it right, and it will take an hour to write a filter, that shows the
> flops are outside the expected range".
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability_(Texas_hold_%27em)#The...
> )
>
> Once I noticed: I get a lot of 82's
> Just for fun, it took me an hour to write a filter in VB which read my HH=
's.
> The 82's were well within the expected range...
>
> You can fool some of the people... et cetera.
>
> GD



 
Date: 27 Jan 2009 06:39:43
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
My analogy is that all the books and odds are all about live casino
games!!

As stated online poker should not be governed by any such books or
statigies!

The reason is online poker cheat software is being used by 80% not 5%
of the players!!


The software allows cheats to see the whole table,all community cards
and all hold cars Preflop!


Then this enables the cheats to pick and choose the hands he/she
plays!

Another option with cheatware it also enables site hacking to change
every hold cards value

even your opponents hold cards if the stakes are high enough to take
such a risk of getting caught!

Getting caught or reported results in only getting your IP banned!
This obsticle is no big hurdle
as you can change your IP and player name and the rake goes on!!





  
Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:34:55
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
> As stated online poker should not be governed by any such books or
> statigies!

Joeturn,

I'm impressed! You actually put together some coherent thoughts on a
topic. I'll let you slide on the fact that you're full of shit, but nice
job!

Dean

"When you respond to me, you are responding to a troll." - Paul Popinjay
1/16/2009

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Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:41:40
From: GD
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote:
> Theory of Action Flops
>
<snip >

> If you
> had an online casino, wouldn't you do all you could to maximize your
> profit? Or, perhaps you think these are benevolent institutions?
>
>
> Russ Georgiev
>

If I owned a online casino, I would ask my senior programmer: How do we
maximize the profit?
If I was the senior programmer, I would answer: "Let's do it right,
which translates to: minimize the bugs, maximize user convenience.

To the question: What about 'Action Flops?' I would answer:
"You know nothing about programming. It will take weeks, or months to
get it right, and it will take an hour to write a filter, that shows the
flops are outside the expected range".
( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability_(Texas_hold_%27em)#The_flop
)

Once I noticed: I get a lot of 82's
Just for fun, it took me an hour to write a filter in VB which read my HH's.
The 82's were well within the expected range...

You can fool some of the people... et cetera.

GD