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Date: 26 Jan 2009 20:44:21
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Action Flops---Russ G
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Theory of Action Flops Hundreds of thousands of people play online poker today, and all you hear about are the bad beats - that miracle last card 'save' for the fish - and the rest of the rhetoric. All things end, and if the United States government has its way, so will online gambling. Here is the theory about 'Action Flops'. Remember I am not stating you can't beat online poker. Online poker is beatable, but it isn't the real thing. People can say whatever they want, but there is nothing like a B&M. Action flops are those flops that bring all the action and irritate many with the two outers. The theory behind these flops is most players are not professionals. Professionals will always choose a B&M and move close to where the action is. Online poker has an incredible group of new players and very bad players, trying out their skills from behind a computer. Most online players are also recreational players and if you look at this in the right perspective, these players should be very easy prey for the professionals. They are easy, but not easy enough. "Why?" you ask. First I am not going to discuss a random shuffle, for I wouldn't know what it was. But, I can tell you, the cards online don't come out the same way they do in the casinos. I have spent an incredible amount of time playing on most online sites. Some weeks I spend 70 hours or more, playing multiple games on multiple computers. Am I cheating now? The answer is no. Have I cheated online? Yes. That I will leave for another post. The Action Flop theory is a reality, though I can't prove it. But 'they' can't prove it isn't either. Yes, you get the right amount of AA for the hands you play; you get the rest of this package also. But the reality is you can't track what you get, when you get it, against whom you get it. Big hands hurt good players. Big hands help weak players. The reason behind this is a simple; all good players value bet, bluff a lot, and are generally very aggressive. And they have played in casinos, as this is where the real money is. (Please don't tell me about online tournaments - these are different case scenarios.) Good players know how to bet, how to steal and extract the most out of the hands they play. Bad players are basically calling stations and have little knowledge of proper betting techniques. In B&Ms flopping set over set happens VERY RARELY as opposed to online, and the nut hands are not always out there. Small hands win. Playing online, you see more big hands than you would ever see in a B&M. Now back to the real world and the action flop theory. Superior players destroy bad players faster than many could imagine. New players have read all the poker books, but most of these books don't provide anything that will make these players winners - most just offer beginning or basic strategy. These books tell you how much value small pairs have. Additionally, much of their basic rhetoric will only hurt your game once you reach anything close to a moneymaking level. So here we are with the ACTION FLOPS, those flops that bring all the action and irritate many with the two outers. If you owned an online casino you would know that in a short period of time 5% or so of the players would totally annihilate the rest. Many players could average more than the drop in a real game. Is this good for the online casino? Do you think a casino likes to see anyone win, other than for publicity's sake? Action Flops accomplish the following: they let winning players win far less than they would normally do if the flops came as they do in casinos, and they allow bad players to play longer, putting out big hands that even novice players can extract the maximum from. This isn't accomplished by good playing, but rather from the misinterpretation of the quality and value of the hand and by having the good players bet the hand for them. Good players are used to betting their own hands and getting value for them through proper betting. Bad players haven't learned this. With action flops, the good players bet the hands for the bad players to ensure them of decent value. Bad players assume the best hand is always out there, while good players play pair poker and value. End result? The good players win less than they should. By playing online the bad players have avoided the slaughter they would have experienced in a B&M enabling them to play much longer than they would, enticing them to play even more! Oh yes, the house gets a much larger rake for its end. Is a winning player smart enough to argue he isn't winning enough? Most wouldn't know how. They are winning, so they really can't complain, can they? The bad players, who normally wouldn't stand a chance, get to play longer for their dollar. The online sites rake in far more money. Would this be considered a good business practice? Obviously since they are winning, very few winners would complain. The losers are playing longer and occasionally hit a tourney and make a score, securing another fix. And the rake goes on. Small players talk about making $100 a week or so, ensuring publicity for these sites. Losers don't bother talking, as they would rather not tell. So now you have the theory in a nutshell. Good players make less, bad players last longer and the house makes far more in rake. If you had an online casino, wouldn't you do all you could to maximize your profit? Or, perhaps you think these are benevolent institutions? Russ Georgiev www.pokermafia.com www.pokerunchecked.com www.russgeorgiev.com
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 21:44:56
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
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On Jan 27, 3:33=A0pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com > wrote: > I'm stating the online sites are as honest as the people in the US > governement or myself. BTW, what happened to that last > $350,000,000,000? In our life times, how many US Presidents have lied > to the people? What percentage of the Presidents were crooks? The > politicians have all the money. They make the movie stars and > musicians look like paupers. > > On Jan 27, 12:29 pm, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Russ, are you saying that online sites are corrupt? Just some or all > > of them?- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - RussGee documentation of corrupt politicians go back to when hitler made his move to become dominate over the JEWS, The Britts sunk two US luxury liners and blamed it on Germany to inviter the US to world war!! Them Brown boys took to it like a SICK KITTEN TO A WARM BRICK $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ This trick was used by the US to go to war on Afganistan and Iraq! They called it 911. Long before then to the victor goes the spoils of war was blamed on GODS WILL LET IT BE DONE!! Its a money thing depopulation was introduced by Kissenger as there was not enough money to go around! The guide lines still follow the King James version of Revolations there will be plauges and earth quakes in divers places.Alfred Webber says aids,diebeties parkinsons,cancer,..ect are labratory chemical warfare to kill off the population if the wars are not enough and estrogen is added to the water and food supplyto deplete their testostron level to make men impotent and incapable of reproduction at an early age!! Also blames global warming on microwaves from star wars satellites???
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 21:18:31
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
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> Geez..You sounded like a real politician with an answer like that. You > didn't answer YES or NO but didn't discount the possibility that > corruption is possible. In my opinion, they are ALL corrupt. Every one > of them! Dont give up just yet Mr Book Worn I'm low on my meds as soon as they kick in I'll be back to normal(incoheirent) again! I got an Amen there from the Senator!! Yes you cant apply stagies to out do cheatware!! I beat the cheats at online play money games at a very slow pace! THEY WILL LET YOU WIN UNTILL YOU GET A STACK, THEN THEY WILL JUMP ON YOUR POCKET ACES PUSHING YOU ALL IN PREFLOP WITH AN 83 OFF SUIT AND LEAVE YOU BROKE!! So I go to the bank with every 20k I'm up<I;-) All online sites are hackable with editing software! The salers of such software send you to free sites and guide you to victory till your capable of going it solo!! The online freeby sites cant prosicute the cheat but do well by training them how not to be obvious!!
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 15:27:50
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
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On Jan 27, 3:33=A0pm, "RussGeorg...@aol.com" <RussGeorg...@aol.com > wrote: > I'm stating the online sites are as honest as the people in the US > governement or myself. BTW, what happened to that last > $350,000,000,000? In our life times, how many US Presidents have lied > to the people? What percentage of the Presidents were crooks? The > politicians have all the money. They make the movie stars and > musicians look like paupers. Geez..You sounded like a real politician with an answer like that. You didn't answer YES or NO but didn't discount the possibility that corruption is possible. In my opinion, they are ALL corrupt. Every one of them!
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:33:45
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
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I'm stating the online sites are as honest as the people in the US governement or myself. BTW, what happened to that last $350,000,000,000? In our life times, how many US Presidents have lied to the people? What percentage of the Presidents were crooks? The politicians have all the money. They make the movie stars and musicians look like paupers. On Jan 27, 12:29=EF=BF=BDpm, Senator Millionaire <moon...@gmail.com > wrote: > Russ, are you saying that online sites are corrupt? Just some or all > of them?
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:29:00
From: Senator Millionaire
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
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Russ, are you saying that online sites are corrupt? Just some or all of them?
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:20:06
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
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So, you're stating odds are different on online sites than in B&Ms? On Jan 27, 10:34=EF=BF=BDam, "MrBookworm" <a825...@webnntp.invalid > wrote: > > As stated online poker should not be governed by any such books or > > statigies! > > Joeturn, > > I'm impressed! You actually put together some coherent thoughts on a > topic. I'll let you slide on the fact that you're full of shit, but nice > job! > > Dean > > "When you respond to me, you are responding to a troll." - Paul Popinjay > 1/16/2009 > > ____________________________________________________________________=EF= =BF=BD > : the next generation of web-newsreaders :http://www.recgroups.com
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:57:37
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
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> So, you're stating odds are different on online sites than in B&Ms? I assume you're responding to Joeturn, as I didn't make any such statement. I was simply impressed with the fact that Joeturn wrote some sentances that a human english speaker could somewhat understand. Dean "When you respond to me, you are responding to a troll." - Paul Popinjay 1/16/2009 ----- * kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 12:19:14
From: RussGeorgiev@aol.com
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
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Two posts on RGP? Aonymous at that? How in the world would you know? On Jan 27, 4:41=EF=BF=BDam, GD <g...@nospam.eliza.nl > wrote: > RussGeorg...@aol.com wrote: > > Theory of Action Flops > > <snip> > > > If you > > had an online casino, wouldn't you do all you could to maximize your > > profit? Or, perhaps you think these are benevolent institutions? > > > Russ Georgiev > > If I owned a online casino, I would ask my senior programmer: How do we > maximize the profit? > If I was the senior programmer, I would answer: "Let's do it right, > which translates to: minimize the bugs, maximize user convenience. > > To the question: What about 'Action Flops?' I would answer: > "You know nothing about programming. It will take weeks, or months to > get it right, and it will take an hour to write a filter, that shows the > flops are outside the expected range". > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability_(Texas_hold_%27em)#The... > ) > > Once I noticed: I get a lot of 82's > Just for fun, it took me an hour to write a filter in VB which read my HH= 's. > The 82's were well within the expected range... > > You can fool some of the people... et cetera. > > GD
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 06:39:43
From: joeturn
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
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My analogy is that all the books and odds are all about live casino games!! As stated online poker should not be governed by any such books or statigies! The reason is online poker cheat software is being used by 80% not 5% of the players!! The software allows cheats to see the whole table,all community cards and all hold cars Preflop! Then this enables the cheats to pick and choose the hands he/she plays! Another option with cheatware it also enables site hacking to change every hold cards value even your opponents hold cards if the stakes are high enough to take such a risk of getting caught! Getting caught or reported results in only getting your IP banned! This obsticle is no big hurdle as you can change your IP and player name and the rake goes on!!
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 10:34:55
From: MrBookworm
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
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> As stated online poker should not be governed by any such books or > statigies! Joeturn, I'm impressed! You actually put together some coherent thoughts on a topic. I'll let you slide on the fact that you're full of shit, but nice job! Dean "When you respond to me, you are responding to a troll." - Paul Popinjay 1/16/2009 ____________________________________________________________________ : the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com
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Date: 27 Jan 2009 13:41:40
From: GD
Subject: Re: Action Flops---Russ G
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RussGeorgiev@aol.com wrote: > Theory of Action Flops > <snip > > If you > had an online casino, wouldn't you do all you could to maximize your > profit? Or, perhaps you think these are benevolent institutions? > > > Russ Georgiev > If I owned a online casino, I would ask my senior programmer: How do we maximize the profit? If I was the senior programmer, I would answer: "Let's do it right, which translates to: minimize the bugs, maximize user convenience. To the question: What about 'Action Flops?' I would answer: "You know nothing about programming. It will take weeks, or months to get it right, and it will take an hour to write a filter, that shows the flops are outside the expected range". ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poker_probability_(Texas_hold_%27em)#The_flop ) Once I noticed: I get a lot of 82's Just for fun, it took me an hour to write a filter in VB which read my HH's. The 82's were well within the expected range... You can fool some of the people... et cetera. GD
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