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Date: 31 Dec 2008 10:52:11
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: 2-7 NL question for Paul
7 handed 2-7 single draw NL SNG (KC Lowball is much easier to type ffs).
In the first 5 hands you've seen some of the most whacked out shit ever.
Guy raises to 120 (blinds 10/20), idiot re-raises to 450, first guy stands
pat, idiot stands pat, check/check. First guy shows a T8, 2nd guy shows,
ummm, trips. Idiot gets all-in with someone, draws 1, shows AKQ83 (I
don't know wtf he threw out), other guy pairs up, gg.

So it's on us...we have like 1400 chips, blinds still 10/20, idiot raises
to 250 preflop, we have 2367Q and position.

Question 1) do we shove?

Question 2) assuming he's either going to stand pat or draw 1, do we draw?

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 17:29:02
From: Will in New Haven
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
On Dec 31, 1:52 pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid > wrote:
> 7 handed 2-7 single draw NL SNG (KC Lowball is much easier to type ffs).
> In the first 5 hands you've seen some of the most whacked out shit ever.
> Guy raises to 120 (blinds 10/20), idiot re-raises to 450, first guy stands
> pat, idiot stands pat, check/check. First guy shows a T8, 2nd guy shows,
> ummm, trips. Idiot gets all-in with someone, draws 1, shows AKQ83 (I
> don't know wtf he threw out), other guy pairs up, gg.
>
> So it's on us...we have like 1400 chips, blinds still 10/20, idiot raises
> to 250 preflop, we have 2367Q and position.
>
> Question 1) do we shove?

Given what has been going on at the table, yes. If I were playing
against people who had ever played the game, I wouldn't.

>
> Question 2) assuming he's either going to stand pat or draw 1, do we draw?

Draw if he stands or draws one. Stand pat if he draws two (or more)

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 10:55:56
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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>
> So it's on us...we have like 1400 chips, blinds still 10/20, idiot raises
> to 250 preflop, we have 2367Q and position.
>
> Question 1) do we shove?
>

I dunno.

> Question 2) assuming he's either going to stand pat or draw 1, do we draw?
>

What do you mean, "do we draw"? Is this a trick question?

Hey, speaking of some weird shit, let me show you a hand I observed
yesterday. I copied it and sent it to some friends for a laugh. My subject
line was "good value bet". Here it is. Same game, NL 2-7 Single Draw.

yenom1975: stands pat
Lethal MD: discards 3 cards
yenom1975: checks
Lethal MD: bets $2
yenom1975: calls $2
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Lethal MD: shows [4d 4s Qh Td 4h] (Lo: three of a kind, Fours)
yenom1975: shows [3h 7c 6h 4c 5c] (Lo: a straight, Three to Seven)
Lethal MD collected $7.15 from pot


Lol. They both left two hands later, obviously realizing that they were
both a little unclear on what the fuck was going on.





  
Date: 31 Dec 2008 14:39:46
From:
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
On Dec 31, 4:36=A0pm, "FellKnight" <jordandevenp...@hotmail.com > wrote:

> Paul, I was watching this SnG. =A0


Jesus Christ. Bored much?






   
Date: 31 Dec 2008 16:42:12
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
On Dec 31 2008 5:39 PM, johnnycoconutsftp wrote:

> On Dec 31, 4:36 pm, "FellKnight" <jordandevenp...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Paul, I was watching this SnG.  
>
>
> Jesus Christ. Bored much?

Coming from the guy who stalks AMbbJ?

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 16:33:02
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
On Dec 31 2008 4:39 PM, johnnycoconutsftp wrote:

> Jesus Christ. Bored much?

Jesus Christ, stupid much?

He was sitting on the couch next to me while playing Wii with my daughter.
Anything else you need to know?

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 11:14:09
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
On Dec 31 2008 12:55 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:

> What do you mean, "do we draw"? Is this a trick question?

No, not a trick question at all. It was a situation I was in yesterday.
Based on his play I knew he was either just all out screwing around,
through it was 5 card draw high, or was a retard. Possibly a combination
of all 3. I shoved, he drew 2, I tossed the Q (which I think was a
mistake), I paired, he didn't. Oops.

> Hey, speaking of some weird shit, let me show you a hand I observed
> yesterday. I copied it and sent it to some friends for a laugh. My subject
> line was "good value bet". Here it is. Same game, NL 2-7 Single Draw.
>
> yenom1975: stands pat
> Lethal MD: discards 3 cards
> yenom1975: checks
> Lethal MD: bets $2
> yenom1975: calls $2
> *** SHOW DOWN ***
> Lethal MD: shows [4d 4s Qh Td 4h] (Lo: three of a kind, Fours)
> yenom1975: shows [3h 7c 6h 4c 5c] (Lo: a straight, Three to Seven)
> Lethal MD collected $7.15 from pot
>
> Lol. They both left two hands later, obviously realizing that they were
> both a little unclear on what the fuck was going on.

That's awesome. I've been playing some 2-7 TD lately and it's amazing the
amount of people who draw 3 times then get into a raising war with an A in
their hands.

I can't remember where it was (and can't search from here) but either 2+2
or P5's has a post about a 2-7 TD hand. Betting and raising after all 3
draws and finally capping the river, winner shows a full house.

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 11:17:59
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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> I shoved, he drew 2, I tossed the Q (which I think was a
> mistake),

It was. Hold the queen if he drew two in front and you're all in.



>
> That's awesome. I've been playing some 2-7 TD lately and it's amazing the
> amount of people who draw 3 times then get into a raising war with an A in
> their hands.
>
> I can't remember where it was (and can't search from here) but either 2+2
> or P5's has a post about a 2-7 TD hand. Betting and raising after all 3
> draws and finally capping the river, winner shows a full house.
>

I can't count the times I've seen a player playing high draw while seated in
a lowball game. What's really scary, is when that person has been in the
game for a half hour already.





    
Date: 31 Dec 2008 11:41:59
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
On Dec 31 2008 1:17 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:

> > I shoved, he drew 2, I tossed the Q (which I think was a
> > mistake),
>
> It was. Hold the queen if he drew two in front and you're all in.

Ok so let's say he draws 1...still draw? If he stands pat, still draw?
For what it's worth he also stood pat with 45A45 once and called a bet.

> I can't count the times I've seen a player playing high draw while seated in
> a lowball game. What's really scary, is when that person has been in the
> game for a half hour already.

lol...someone last night in a 8 game SNG played the 2-7 round mixing up
playing pairs and A as low. It took her until 7 Stud to ask how to play
the game.

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 11:50:17
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
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>
> Ok so let's say he draws 1...still draw? If he stands pat, still draw?
> For what it's worth he also stood pat with 45A45 once and called a bet.
>

Absolutely. Toss the queen. A jack is a small favorite in that situation.
Naturally, if you guys are not all-in, I don't have to tell you, draw to the
hand.


>
> lol...someone last night in a 8 game SNG played the 2-7 round mixing up
> playing pairs and A as low. It took her until 7 Stud to ask how to play
> the game.
>

Gotta stay alert for this kinda shit. That's why I can't imagine
John_Brian_K, Brewmaster, or even FellKnight, catching that stuff. They're
always drinking.


Look, Morphy. I know I'm not much help. But if you want me to say
something serious for once, I would say that the biggest mistakes players
are making in this game right now, and will continue to do so, is not
understanding the value of hands ATD (after-the-draw). I still see
otherwise winning players betting rough hands in situations they can only
lose in if called. By the way, depending on the opponent and the
situations, even hands like 95432 can be rough. Y'gotta know what kinda
stuff your opponent will draw to, and call with. Your IMAGE is a big factor
in what you should be betting ATD. I recommend, through various
image-enhancing plays, that you cultivate an "action" image. Nits don't
exploit lowball opportunities to their fullest potential.

-PP





      
Date: 31 Dec 2008 19:27:05
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
On Dec 31 2008 1:50 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:

> "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:7hus26x3n3.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> >
> > Ok so let's say he draws 1...still draw? If he stands pat, still draw?
> > For what it's worth he also stood pat with 45A45 once and called a bet.
> >
>
> Absolutely. Toss the queen. A jack is a small favorite in that situation.
> Naturally, if you guys are not all-in, I don't have to tell you, draw to the
> hand.
>
>
> >
> > lol...someone last night in a 8 game SNG played the 2-7 round mixing up
> > playing pairs and A as low. It took her until 7 Stud to ask how to play
> > the game.
> >
>
> Gotta stay alert for this kinda shit. That's why I can't imagine
> John_Brian_K, Brewmaster, or even FellKnight, catching that stuff. They're
> always drinking.
>
>
> Look, Morphy. I know I'm not much help. But if you want me to say
> something serious for once, I would say that the biggest mistakes players
> are making in this game right now, and will continue to do so, is not
> understanding the value of hands ATD (after-the-draw). I still see
> otherwise winning players betting rough hands in situations they can only
> lose in if called. By the way, depending on the opponent and the
> situations, even hands like 95432 can be rough. Y'gotta know what kinda
> stuff your opponent will draw to, and call with. Your IMAGE is a big factor
> in what you should be betting ATD. I recommend, through various
> image-enhancing plays, that you cultivate an "action" image. Nits don't
> exploit lowball opportunities to their fullest potential.
>
> -PP

The line in here where you say that 'you have to know who wil do what "
reminded me of something I saw in a game a long time ago. The tightest
player in town brought it in for a raise , got reraised, and called and
drew one card . He then checked . His opponent checked , and the first guy
said "EIGHT". The other guy proudly announced "EIGHTY SEVEN". Three of us
started laughing out loud .

To this day , the second guy still doesnt understand that when the
tightest player in the world draws one card (up front) , and says "EIGHT"
that he has a "pretty smooth" eight .


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Date: 31 Dec 2008 20:34:15
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
"FangBanger" <a29bed1@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message

>
> The line in here where you say that 'you have to know who wil do what "
> reminded me of something I saw in a game a long time ago. The tightest
> player in town brought it in for a raise , got reraised, and called and
> drew one card . He then checked . His opponent checked , and the first guy
> said "EIGHT". The other guy proudly announced "EIGHTY SEVEN". Three of us
> started laughing out loud .
>
> To this day , the second guy still doesnt understand that when the
> tightest player in the world draws one card (up front) , and says "EIGHT"
> that he has a "pretty smooth" eight .
>

Ha! Good story, Doggy. I know the type.

Btw, Happy New Year, bud.

-PP





      
Date: 31 Dec 2008 12:13:34
From: John_Brian_K
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
> Gotta stay alert for this kinda shit. That's why I can't imagine
> John_Brian_K, Brewmaster, or even FellKnight, catching that stuff. They're
> always drinking.

I do not drink that much anymore PeePee. My new years resolution is to be
more like YOU!

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 15:00:44
From: Raider Fan
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
On Dec 31 2008 2:13 PM, John_Brian_K wrote:

>
> I do not drink that much anymore PeePee. My new years resolution is to be
> more like YOU!
>

Worst New Year's resolution ever.

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 12:12:31
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
"John_Brian_K" <a7ecb57@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:ec0t26xl44.ln2@recgroups.com...

>My new years resolution is to be
> more like YOU!
>

Nice?




      
Date: 31 Dec 2008 12:10:57
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
On Dec 31 2008 1:50 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:

> Look, Morphy. I know I'm not much help. But if you want me to say
> something serious for once, I would say that the biggest mistakes players
> are making in this game right now, and will continue to do so, is not
> understanding the value of hands ATD (after-the-draw). I still see
> otherwise winning players betting rough hands in situations they can only
> lose in if called. By the way, depending on the opponent and the
> situations, even hands like 95432 can be rough. Y'gotta know what kinda
> stuff your opponent will draw to, and call with. Your IMAGE is a big factor
> in what you should be betting ATD. I recommend, through various
> image-enhancing plays, that you cultivate an "action" image. Nits don't
> exploit lowball opportunities to their fullest potential.

Good info, but I've also seen the opposite. In this same SNG the first
guy from one of the sample hands just never ever bet his hand. He has a
guy standing pat with 2 freakin pair and CALLING A BET, yet he stands pat
and doesn't bet his T9. That seems like an auto bet to me, and purely for
value as well.

I haven't played that much uhh wtf are we calling this game, kc lowball?
I'm finding the limit games are actually pretty damn profitable, as
ridiculous as that sounds. I got pretty burned out from poker earlier
this year (and yes doggy, even while winning) so I quit for a few months
then decided to take a challenge at learning how to play some games that I
normally don't play. I have to say, when you have people calling 3 bets
preflop with K9o, 3 bets on a 387 rainbow flop and 2 bets on the J turn,
you have a good source of potential profit in front of you, lol. Thanks
for the tips on the lowball stuff though. I'm playing more 2-7 TD right
now but may expand that to the single draw as well.

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 19:29:11
From: FangBanger
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
On Dec 31 2008 2:10 PM, XaQ Morphy wrote:

> On Dec 31 2008 1:50 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
>
> > Look, Morphy. I know I'm not much help. But if you want me to say
> > something serious for once, I would say that the biggest mistakes players
> > are making in this game right now, and will continue to do so, is not
> > understanding the value of hands ATD (after-the-draw). I still see
> > otherwise winning players betting rough hands in situations they can only
> > lose in if called. By the way, depending on the opponent and the
> > situations, even hands like 95432 can be rough. Y'gotta know what kinda
> > stuff your opponent will draw to, and call with. Your IMAGE is a big
factor
> > in what you should be betting ATD. I recommend, through various
> > image-enhancing plays, that you cultivate an "action" image. Nits don't
> > exploit lowball opportunities to their fullest potential.
>
> Good info, but I've also seen the opposite. In this same SNG the first
> guy from one of the sample hands just never ever bet his hand. He has a
> guy standing pat with 2 freakin pair and CALLING A BET, yet he stands pat
> and doesn't bet his T9. That seems like an auto bet to me, and purely for
> value as well.
>
> I haven't played that much uhh wtf are we calling this game, kc lowball?
> I'm finding the limit games are actually pretty damn profitable, as
> ridiculous as that sounds. I got pretty burned out from poker earlier
> this year (and yes doggy, even while winning)

BULLSHIT !!



so I quit for a few months
> then decided to take a challenge at learning how to play some games that I
> normally don't play. I have to say, when you have people calling 3 bets
> preflop with K9o, 3 bets on a 387 rainbow flop and 2 bets on the J turn,
> you have a good source of potential profit in front of you, lol. Thanks
> for the tips on the lowball stuff though. I'm playing more 2-7 TD right
> now but may expand that to the single draw as well.
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqmorphy@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
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Date: 31 Dec 2008 19:59:40
From: XaQ Morphy
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
On Dec 31 2008 9:29 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> > this year (and yes doggy, even while winning)
>
> BULLSHIT !!

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 12:11:03
From: Paul Popinjay
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
"XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid > wrote in message
news:h70t26xr34.ln2@recgroups.com...

He has a
> guy standing pat with 2 freakin pair and CALLING A BET, yet he stands pat
> and doesn't bet his T9. That seems like an auto bet to me, and purely for
> value as well.
>

Value-betting a "pat" T9 is a lot different than betting one that you made.
Betting rough pat hands for value is best left to experienced and
sophisticated players. Just show it down, n00b. :-)






        
Date: 31 Dec 2008 13:36:22
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
On Dec 31 2008 3:11 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:

> "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:h70t26xr34.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> He has a
> > guy standing pat with 2 freakin pair and CALLING A BET, yet he stands pat
> > and doesn't bet his T9. That seems like an auto bet to me, and purely for
> > value as well.
> >
>
> Value-betting a "pat" T9 is a lot different than betting one that you made.
> Betting rough pat hands for value is best left to experienced and
> sophisticated players. Just show it down, n00b. :-)

Paul, I was watching this SnG. It was the easiest value bet in history
(the guy had called big post-draw bets with KJ855, and other such nonsense.

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Date: 31 Dec 2008 12:07:31
From: FellKnight
Subject: Re: 2-7 NL question for Paul
On Dec 31 2008 2:50 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:

> "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5905@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:7hus26x3n3.ln2@recgroups.com...
>
> >
> > Ok so let's say he draws 1...still draw? If he stands pat, still draw?
> > For what it's worth he also stood pat with 45A45 once and called a bet.
> >
>
> Absolutely. Toss the queen. A jack is a small favorite in that situation.
> Naturally, if you guys are not all-in, I don't have to tell you, draw to the
> hand.
>
>
> >
> > lol...someone last night in a 8 game SNG played the 2-7 round mixing up
> > playing pairs and A as low. It took her until 7 Stud to ask how to play
> > the game.
> >
>
> Gotta stay alert for this kinda shit. That's why I can't imagine
> John_Brian_K, Brewmaster, or even FellKnight, catching that stuff. They're
> always drinking.

I dno't neded antoher lecture from you momm!

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